"Let's just call Dave Chappelle white so we can like, cancel him easier? #RESIST"
Posted Sep 11, 2019, 2:11 PM UTC
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Sorry, wokies, but this means I'm black now.
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oh shit, hold up... we might be able to utilize this woke precedent
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As a man who is economically black, I'm gonna say it-
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Yeah, if all you have to do to be "huwite" is be rich, I guess I'm a negroe who listens to the Savage jungle rythms of the "jass" music which will cause degeneracy in huwite women or something else retarded that people actually believed
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Tbh I have thought about writing but been put off by thinking of wokies, about how sometimes when they put it in such terms I feel more of a connection to "black culture" which is also some made up thing I guess. It's hard to explain and maybe there is some sort of racist thing going on unconsciously but even admitting such things is tantamount to being racist on purpose to those people. Man I hope this is the right sub and people kinda get what I'm saying. I was gonna get at it a bit when I wrote an album review of a grime artist last year lol. Sometimes what black artists in hip-hop express I think is about working class rather than race basically but wokies see this as class essentialism which is racist somehow. I dunno...
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Is Irish culture made up? And can just anyone feel Irish? If I listened to the Wolfe Tones and began to connect my own life with the struggles of the Irish people against the British would it be fair to say I identify with the oppression stuff but the Irishness is a bit too much? Genuine questions.
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congrats ! as a gift , here's a word you're now free to use
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Wait are poor white people black? Are white women technically black men? In terms of the hierarchy of oppression, how gay and poor do I have to be to say the n word?
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uh sweaty logical consistency is a patriarchal colonial concept
Yeah, the intersectional woketards did try to say that "sCiEnCe Be RaYcIs" didn't they?
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Ive never felt shame or remorse until just now
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Keep in mind the chapo podcasters arenât nearly as gay as the subredditâs âpeopleâ
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tbf at this point it seems like half the subreddit doesn't even listen to the podcast
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This is literally a 30 Rock joke - Kenneth says heâs a white man but then Jack says something like âsocioeconomically speaking youâre closer to an inner city latino
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I avoided watching that show for the longest time thinking it would be normie nbc schlock but itâs actually really good
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It's one of the best ever and the complete opposite of normie schlock, which is a shame since it never could have hoped to have the ubiquitous mass appeal that something like the extremely overrated Office had. It's like Fey committed to making sure that even the most basic exposition had to include some joke in it, and the show just embraces the absurdist element the further along it goes.
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Absolutely
Jack is an amazing character
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Oh yeah man plus I find it gets better on each rewatch, it's a bit of a specific kind of humour that I didn't get used to much at first but now I've gone through it all maybe five times.
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Inner city latina!
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One of the biggest foundational tenets of woketardation is that minorities/women/transsexuals/whatever are inherently and infallibly correct when they speak on issues relating to their identity. When someone like Dave Chappelle comes along and disagrees with a Blue Check Approved^tm opinion, he exposes the utter stupidity of this foundational tenet, and risks collapsing the entire project. Therefore, in order to keep their worldview coherent, the wokies move to deprive their opponent of the quality that supposedly makes them correct - their identity.
Thus, Dave Chappelle is no longer black because if he were, it would mean woketards (especially white woketards) would have to unquestioningly take what he says as truth. To prevent that from happening, he must be made white so that his blasphemy can be dismissed out of hand.
In other words:
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Black = Correct
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White = Incorrect
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If Black = Incorrect, then that Black must actually = White
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How exactly do they deal with figures like Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas, then, who aren't just "black conservatives" but whose conservatism (read Corey Robin on Clarence Thomas, for example) clearly resulted from their (ahem) lived experience as black men?
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Thomas is right there in the name
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Thomas is insane but he isnât a Tom. Like his insane ranting about it being OK to dismiss jurors based on race is because he seriously thinks that black defendants should be able to use it against white prospective jurors. Thatâs how crazy he is.
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Clarence Thomas is one of, if not the, most accomplished and brilliant legal minds of a generation - regardless of whether you agree with him. And you are a greasy, gaping asshole for thinking you can reduce him to some cheap insult. Bitch.
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For a Supreme Court Justice, heâs actually quite un-influential. Thereâs a reason he writes so many one-Justice dissents: itâs because the rest of the Court wonât sign on to his unorthodox legal analysis.
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I think the person you are replying to is using the jibe ironically, to say that is how wokies dismiss his views.
Leftist Reddit is so full of irony now though that I'm not sure if you get it and are also doing a bit or copypasta, tho.
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Learn to read, moron
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Itâs not that hard to just deny it and call them Uncle Toms. It doesnât have to be true or make sense. They just say it, and move on.
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Because Black=Correct is a strawman drummed up in conservative circles but now been adopted by so-called anti-Idpol "lefties". No one believes this or there would be no concept of the Uncle Tom.
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How exactly do they deal with figures like Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas
From the article:
Chappelle doesnât have to tell his audience that; in Sticks and Stones, the house nigger isnât hiding in the audience, heâs onstage.
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There's a tension in idpol that is going to be resolved and it's going to be nasty. Non-whites aren't as into sexual idpol as whites, if they're not outright against it. Zoomers are to the left of millenials on class (to the dismay of neoliberalism) and on race/immigration (to the dismay of tuckerstans/nazbols). But not on LGBT issues. Part of this is down to Zoomers being less white.
Expect more protests like that one in Birmingham in the future as immigration increases and expect neo-Rohmism to be the reaction.
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Zoomers donât have living memory of the AIDS crisis, and thus the political energy from that calamity is fading.
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Millennials don't have living memory of the AIDS crisis either... There were no three-year-olds involved in HIV/AIDS organizing
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We remember it still being thought of as a death sentence. Magic Johnsonâs announcement was one of the biggest news stories of my childhood.
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People seem to forget that the AIDS crisis was a lot worse and lasted into the 2000s in much of Africa. Millennials may not have lived through the worst of it in the 80s, but AIDS was still a big deal.
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. When someone like Dave Chappelle comes along and disagrees with a Blue Check Approved⢠opinion
Heh, the accurate term for those tots is "Bluecheka"
Therefore, in order to keep their worldview coherent, the wokies move to deprive their opponent of the quality that supposedly makes them correct - their identity.
Thus, Dave Chappelle is no longer black because if he were, it would mean woketards (especially white woketards) would have to unquestioningly take what he says as truth. To prevent that from happening, he must be made white so that his blasphemy can be dismissed out of hand.
That's just your standard mentally depraved dogmatism from what is essentially a new religion.
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the Cheka were cool and wore leather
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I was watching The Pervert's Guide to Cinema and the bit on "the Voice" really makes me think about how wokies use "we need more X voices", when an X voice is one that says exactly what they think X people would say.
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No, they literally mean one demographic should't dominate the political discourse.
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They literally don't, because the same people say things like the above.
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Do we get to call Candace Owens white now? I mean, she clearly REALLY wants to be.
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- Black = Correct
- White = Incorrect
In all honesty, this is a strawman and not even related to what the author of that piece was saying.
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Also, Dave is still on the "Wokeside" when it comes to race. You know and I know, that people are criticizing for his LGBTQ comments.
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A white woman Iâve known for years recently said something that I felt was racially insensitive and I called her on it. After she profusely apologized and asked my forgiveness â and I knew her apology was sincere â she then said she was worried sheâd now have to walk on eggshells whenever she wanted to say anything. I made it clear that if she chose to âwalk on eggshellsâ it was because being sensitive to racism was important to her â not because she was tiptoeing over some âblack minefieldâ to avoid getting in trouble with me in the future. .... Walking on eggshells is also the way you survive in an alcoholic family. Stand-up comedy is built on the risk of saying what shouldnât be talked about with strangers, it centers around telling family secrets. Youâre either telling on your family of origin, or on your husband or wife and kids, your boss at work, or yourself.
borderline lives matter
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So they're admitting that what matters is socioeconomic class, and not the color of their skin, right?
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Dave Chappelle explicitly says this in one of his Netflix specials when heâs in the poll line with a bunch of poor Trump supporters who claim Trump is âgonna go to Warshington and fight for us.â Chappelle then says âyou dumb motherfuckers. You are poor. Heâs fighting for me.â
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This comment makes me resentful as fuck and never want to lift a finger to help my fellow man, which means I'm a black lady who works at the DMV.
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This shit sucks man
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I'm on break.
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Sir that is not my job.
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Reminds me of this article.
"Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People"
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What's up with all of the brothers who try to look like Gerald from Hey Arnold! fucked Steve Urkel and had a SocJus child?
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They noticed the conformity of the Danny Glover look was working for the right leaning ones
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"Metaphysical effects".
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notsosmartbrothas strikes againâI really don't see how it's different at all from The Root, the smarm is the same, why make a separate site?
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Lol god they are fuckin obsessed with color
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Oh for fuck ske this is the same shit with Peter their not being gay he just has sex with other men.
Their worldview is so colored by identity politics they ruin their own message by making their claims sound outlandish.
They could have easily said that despite being black and growing up poor or whatever (o don't know Chappelle's history) his fame and fortune makes him one of the elite the disenfranchised are opresses by.
But nope since everything has to be about race and sex and whatnot they not only make a laughably contradictory claim they devalue actual claims of racism by saying racism is anything they say it is.
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Its' obvious the author of this piece knows nothing about intersectionality or race dynamics at all, a fake woke if you will. They do a disservice to the concept
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If being rich makes you white, does it follow that being poor makes you black?
Does that mean I can finally rap along to Wu-Tang Clan and say all the "n" words?
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As long as you use the soft-A
I can have the Bluecheka canceling you and the Chapoids "PuTtInG u AgAiNsT tHe WaLL" before you could even reach a Starbucksâ˘
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How do you call a black man white because of qualities OTHER than race, and not realize that maybe race isnt the only issue? âWhiteâ is being used as an ideological form of âbad,â devoid of any context.
This is the same thought process as actual racist people who call upper class, well-mannered POC âwhiteâ just because they actually got an education and are wealthy. Except instead of white=good, now white=bad. Both are offensive and retarded in their own ways
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Wait does this mean Michael Jackson was the anti-woke? Or was he so woke that his appearance matched his socio-economic status over time?
Also Chappelle is a Muslim so no idea how that's gonna fit into this.
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Also Chappelle is a Muslim so no idea how that's gonna fit into this.
Yeah, I'm a bit curious about that myself.
I don't understand how or why all these black dudes are "Muslims" when none of them seem to adhere to any of the corporeal pillars of Islam (prayer, temperance, pilgrimage, so on and so forth)
It seems like it's a lifestyle accessory, honestly
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Might also be some spill over from the prison system. Don't quote me on this but I remember from a documentary that Islam is popular in the prison system because of the structure it provides. I guess that gives it street cred.
Also the Nation of Islam being prominent members of the Civil Rights movement.
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I mean, you don't have to ascribe to the surface-level 'aesthetic' to be a Muslim. In Islam, your true beliefs and convictions are between you and God. How you present yourself (Islamic or not) to others is up to you. Plus, like all religions, there are Muslims of varying levels of commitment to the religion.
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there are Muslims of varying levels of commitment to the religion.
lol yeah I know a muslim guy who likes hentai
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it's the whole fruits of islam or whatever thing
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Chappelle is actually pretty knowledgeable on Islamic theology. He just keeps it very separate from his public persona, as he's stated in an interview that he feels it wouldn't be right to combine theology and religiosity with his crass comedy. I believe he's completed the Hajj to Mecca and there's even a video on youtube of him discussing the significance of the Well of Zamzam. He's certainly a relatively devout Muslim.
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"why all these black dudes are "Muslims" when none of them seem to adhere to any of the corporeal pillars of Islam (prayer, temperance, pilgrimage, so on and so forth) "
How the hell do you know if they are or are not adhering to the pillars of Islam? You know all the millions of black Muslims? How many black Muslims do you even know?
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A lot of the Black Muslim celebrities in USA obviously drink alcohol. I don't know if Chappelle does.
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uppity snark thinking they just MaJoRLy DuNkEd
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How many black Muslims do you even know?
My cousins & uncle, actually.
So why don't you save your woke indignation for when your professor misgenders you? Fuckhole.
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Also the first slave traders were what again?
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Spartan?
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I meant "modern", sorry.
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Woke: "a minority with wealth is still an oppressed minority."
Wokest: "unless they say something we don't like."
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Say the same thing about Kween BeyoncĂŠ and the authors' head would explode in a nuclear fission reaction of rage.
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42 min read
HA HA HA HA HA FUUUUUUCK THAT
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42 min read
HA HA HA HA HA FUUUUUUCK THAT
Medium bloggers (that's what they fucking are) manipulate that to make themselves look "ScHoLaRLy" & "aCaDeMiC"
They're mostly pseuds
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It is an awful lot of words, though. I was reading for a good 5 minutes before I saw that the scroll bar had barely budged.
This is written like something from an AP high school senior--someone who's been trained to write soulless and pedantic essays with zero regard paid to the wants and needs of their audience. He also uses a ton of semi-fancy words that almost, kinda/sorta fit into what he's trying to do, but not fully.
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Dissenting opinion from someone who loved the special:
Chapelle actually demonstrates the bankruptcy of intersectionality and woke politics. He's left-wing as hell on anything having to do with racial justice, but "reactionary" or at least not woke on everything else.
Very similar to how neoliberalism can now produce woke articles about trans CEOS and feminist wall-street lawyers, etc.
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This unevenness has always existed though - and perhaps more so when the majority of workers were ~ socially conservative social democrats.
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Black people can't be rich now?
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Doesnât this sub support looking past race to focus on economic power
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Isn't that the opposite of this? Maybe I'm just misreading it.
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Iâm being facetious but calling a rich black guy white is closer to getting it than pretending he has still has anything in common with poor black people
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I don't think so, it's still casting the conversation into racial terms. Think, would the author of this piece call a poor white person black? Obviously not. This is getting us further from a class based discussion not closer.
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Yeah op isn't anything but a patch to an ill-conceived ideology dedicated to algorithimically exploit identity for power. Dave Chappelle's special is powerful because he's representative of socially conservative black voices that have been marginalized, and we can see that marginalization process is action. He's a full on black man operating at peak capacity of expression.
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That is not what is being discussed upthread and being upvoted here. Itâs a bunch of reactionaries who literally agree with the premise but not how itâs presented.
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Maybe if they had called him privileged than you would have a point but they don't. They feel the need to reclassify him as white (time to crack out the calipers y'all) because calling him privileged due to wealth would mean having to view whites as a broad spectrum of privilege and admitting that wealth is the ultimate form of privilege, and that my friend is bad praxis.
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Or, maybe we shouldn't take the author literally. It was clear that they were not "reclassifying" Dave's race. They are using "white" as a stand in for certain attitudes and beliefs common among middle and upper class whites. Given the point of the author, the characterization is apt.
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That's the problem here, though. This person is so close to getting it. It's right there, they almost have it... and then it's back to idpol. They can't quite fully grasp the implications and connotations of what they're saying here, it just winds up being a way to dismiss someone they're supposed to "listen to" when he says something they disagree with.
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I think maybe calling him "rich" would be more apt.
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Or maybe they weren't trying to be literal. Maybe this reddit has it's head in the sand, but there a whole suite of attitudes and beliefs that dominate among whites(It's why most of them voted for Trump) and the author, for better or worse, is characterizing Dave in that manner. I highly doubt they literally believe all rich people are "white" and poor people "non-white".
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Gotcha, true.
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Fucking THANK YOU. I canât believe I had to scroll this far. Makes me wonder how much of it is principle that stays consistent and how much of it is just existing to be against something no matter what (which is exactly the MO of the two parties at the moment). This sub has a lot of people who hate liberals to hate them, not just who hate some of the nonsense being spoken (which is why I subbed).
What the author said is completely stupid, but a post like this here is really revealing. High upvoted comments with snark and âlooool do I get an n-word pass nowâ, and then you close to the bottom with a shred of sense.
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Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Seems like grasping at straws. I think all the people that are reading âwe canât even have class conversations without reading it as race and identityâ could just as easily draw the opposite conclusion.
I read this as a criticism of only analyzing race because itâs illustrating that if we actually acknowledge class then we see that lumping him in with the economic parameters of what people typically imply by âblackâ doesnât work anymore. So if anything I read this point as showing how limited racial categories are when class is introduced.
I expected real discussion in this thread because this seems to be core to what people here are here for in the first place, or at least I expected them to be here for.
But honestly this sub is a disappointment half the time because itâs usually an echo chamber. Iâve been in threads where Iâve tried having legitimate discussions with people and addressed all their points just to be told clearly I was a woman for writing such a long response (1- Iâm not a woman, 2- not sure how systematically addressing each of someoneâs points is a negative characteristic when not doing so is more of a legitimate criticism, 3- thatâs the most pathetic âlook at me being anti-wokeâ thing Iâve ever seen when your only rebuttal is proving that you can use identities as derogatory terms instead of engaging in a debate, which if anything shows the bankruptcy of your own mindset rather than the âwokieâ one youâre trying to criticize because clearly you havenât thought about this any more than a sixth grader).
One time the topic of esports came up just for people to circle jerk about how illegitimate esports are for competition and when I talked about it with any degree of real discussion I was just called a âfaggotâ for even liking esports.
I recommend you start actually looking at peopleâs comment and post history. Youâll quickly realize that this sub has plenty of right wingers and actual bigoted trolls. Itâs just that this sub is the new âwokeâ because they realize saying faggot is okay and actually revolutionary, and opportunistic people just jump in and enjoy the climate of the sub while make zero actual contribution in criticizing identity politics or acknowledging class conflict. Most comments here are totally devoid of any real leftist content or real criticism and are just âhey, look at wokie libtard faggot example #294993â which anyone can do, leftist or not. Which is why this sub has plenty of non-leftists and inconsistencies in ideology. Thatâs why there is little to no engagement with this post that you would think could actually produce discussion here.
Because it doesnât require real criticism or any ideology just to cash in on your faggot and ân-word passâ which is the lowest common denominator of this sub.
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You rite. A lot more people think idpol is ridiculous than just other leftists with a class-focused perspective.
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Ah yes the black man who gave a well-deserved platform to Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Killer Mike, GZA, Erykah Badu, Wyclef, Lauryn Hill, The Roots and a thousand others is white now. In terms of economic privilege, I guess all the above are white too. This guy should call Lauryn Hill and tell her she's white and record the conversation for posterity.
JFC I need to take an extended break from the world.
what's unbelievable to me is these people's devotion to casting every single conflict, especially class conflict, as some sort of racial struggle. I don't think they grasp how deeply this is going to backfire
As soon as a black man becomes successful heâs now white.
How did they go from âhelpingâ the poor and mistreated live a comfortable life and being accepted by society, a basic decency sought everywhere, to a world where only the most oppressed unsuccessful token minority victims opinions matter in every situation (usually proxied through some middle class university activists)? Was that really the goal of socialism? A meritocracy of oppression?
It really only makes sense if you view it via their own saviour complex, the ones who think they know best for the world, taken to its logical extreme - not the part about actually progressing society forward - but lumping all the ones who allegedly need their help the most in one protected class who should have the first and last say on all issues.
Any counter examples that challenge this worldview like the experiences of poor white people or minorities who are successful are either ignored or conveniently put into the successful privileged white person/Uncle Tom category and lose their chance to have valid opinions on anything. Also if youâre from this protected class and donât agree with me youâre a white person.
What is craziest is that a black man who becomes successful is suddenly a white man but they simultaneously refuse to discern any noticeable difference in privilege between rich white people and poor white people.
Its even funnier because it literally implies that hes worked hard and earned the right to be white
How the hell did progressive even loop to being regressive like that?
I had this 'debate' (and by debate I mean I was talked at) about this in a Twitter thread the other day. I was told that every white man has institutional privilege no mater what. I asked about poor Eastern European and Russian men. I was told that black females still hold less institutional power than these men. Really tells you how small Twitter's understanding of the world is when they think the average black woman in America holds less power than Igor from Irkutsk who lives in a shack, lives off vodka, and has lost half his family to krokodil.
By that logic a white homeless man sits on top of the hierarchy of privilege parallel to a black middle class or upper middle class man. Nice
Itâs literally racism, but woke!
Damn, I wonder if NFL owners realize Colin Kaepernick has actually been white all this time?
I realized it when he started doing the #Resist grift in conjunction with Nike (Nasdaq: NKE)
Hang on. Doesn't that mean that helping poor black people to not be poor can lead to black erasure, because being poor is their culture? Are affirmative action and charity racist?
The proper term is problematic.
Itâs wishy washy enough of a phrase you can use it to imply anything without fully committing.
Wait does this means reparations are also racist
Your comment is so perfect and well-said I screenshotted it to reread later.
Do you think it could be any different?
I mean it's already backfired pretty fucking spectacularly. Donald Trump is president and neoliberalism has lost all pretenses of legitimacy. But even now, with the world literally on fire, they still can't grasp that the state of things is in any way related to the failures of their worldview. They've gotten even more myopic and superstitious. They've come to believe that whiteness is a literal, material force that can be used to explain all social malignancies.
This sort of snarky, smug hyperbole is why the right relentlessly mocks you.
The world is not "LiTeRaLLy On FiRe", take the histrionics back to Tumblr where they belong.
EDIT: Not sure why I didn't think to check if you were subbed to Chapo before posting, that explains everything
I'm curious, how much of the planet needs to be on fire before you would accept that sentence?
HyperVerity mocking someone for using hyperbole is a good bit.
I like how these days, privilege affects your race and gender, instead of the other way around.
Plus its not really a class conflict either (which they're trying to dress it up as), because he grew up poor.
I don't know about that. I think he was solidly middle class. His father was a college professor.
His father wasn't a professor when he was living with him. His mother worked at a community college. I wouldn't necessarily call that "solidly middle class".
They need to. It's a job . Got to get then clicks in
They don't even expect their own worldview to make consistent sense. It wasn't built to entertain defeasibility propositions. There is no conceivable "outside" to "oppressive white heterosexual men," therefore any object of their criticism can only ever approach those boundaries, but never transcend them.
When a minority that you've involuntarily drafted into your racial crusade starts bucking the party line: it's not because they're having their own thoughts, it's definitely not because your original assessment was off. Instead they're necessarily nearing the event horizon of your worldview, where the devil be.
Chapelle could only have written those jokes under the influence of the devil himself. Since you've arrayed so many oppositional and contradictory forces into easily digestible pap, it's the only explanation you can use.
Dave Chapelle made me upset. Good folks are only threatened and made upset because of white heterosexual males, Dave Chapelle must become a white heterosexual male. Why else would I be so upset?
Yep, and without Chappelle's show (and Block Parties), I wouldn't have known about any of the bolded artists who are now some of my favorites.
Lauryn đ𤪠and Wyclef I knew about through a girl down the road who was all about Fugees when The Score dropped way back in the 90s
Pretty sure he had Kanye on pretty early too
not only that, it was most of these people's first tv appearances. and the first time non-black people saw them or heard them perform.
These people are so absolutely stupid, they canât even understand their own broken ideology.
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idk position re idpol always beats old idpol
Talib is a racist douche and Diabolic merc'd him, everyone else you mentioned is a great though.
Anyone who ever read Wild Swans or other books about the Cultural Revolution in China has the hair on their necks stand up at this sort of thing.
In China, what 'colour' (class background) you were determined if you got mercilessly persecuted by youth gangs or not. After a few years, the original class background colours were replaced by a system where 'white' was pure evil. If you tried to be apolitical and do your job, you were 'white and expert'. If you respected elders, you were 'white' too. Deng Xiaoping's famous "It doesn't matter what colour the cat is, as long as it catches mice" wasn't just vague pragmatism, it was a direct refutation of the same sort of ludicrous colour labelling that makes Dave Chapelle a white man.
Well white people fronted the money to all of those acts