(Ex) challenger Camille AMA

I’ll do the match ups sorted by elo and explain some of the weird choices, for clarification the high elo champs are the ones I believe are the hardest when played optimally but the low elo ones are assuming your a Camille player of equal rank as the other champ.

Hardest low elo: Jax, garen, Kayle, renekton Easiest low elo: Kayle, gangplank yasuo qiyana

Kayle; she will lose this lane extremely hard (0-3 down 50cs) but because it’s low elo the game will likely drag on to 30 or 40 minutes and eventually she will hit level 16 with 3-4 items and become really hard to handle regardless of her lane, so she’s in both easy and hard.

Garen - really simplistic kit that if you aren’t well versed with buffering abilities before his silence hits you (buffering q1/2 so it doesn’t wear off before you can cast it or buffering e so you can dodge most of the spin damage) or aren’t comfortable with the match up he can stat check you fairly easily. As well if you ever become villain you will probably die before the silence wears off. Also if he ever starts to lose lane he can stonewall the lane really hard and not let you get any advantages.

Gangplank/yas/qiyana - these champs are all really hard to play well and are super fragile so in the case you ever all in them they will explode. They have a lot of tools in their kit to mitigate your all ins but at low ranks it’s often not used well (or at all).

Mid elo (plat+)

Hardest: fiora jax renekton poppy Easiest: Kayle, yas, qiyana, most tanks

Poppy: I put her higher in mid tier elo because around this rank people can play poppy to an acceptable level but Camille is a lot harder to pilot. Even if you manage to beat her in lane (which is hard because she stonewalls lane similar to garen) she shuts you down in teamfights really well and side lanes she has pretty reasonable damage while also being crazy beefy.

Tanks: they are at a point where most of these tank players won’t itemize very well, (bamis bramble with timewarp and biscuits) and so you can likely win lane one way or another while also out scaling them in a side lane and teamfights.you also have a ton of options when it comes to lane phase vs them whether you prefer the conq/klepto route for outscaling them even harder or the grasp/comet route for just straight up winning lane

High elo Hardest: fiora,renekton,riven,jax,kennen, Darius Honourable mention: vlad Easiest: yas qiyana very fragile champs in general.

Darius riven: these champs make a comeback because of the soul crushing reason that with one well timed cc you get your e canceled and are more than likely dead regardless of your hp bar. (Riven w, Darius e) as well they both slaughter you in extended trades and have the tools to stop your escape (stuns or pulls)and the tools to chase you down even if they don’t (riven 40%cdr Darius runs ghost) playing against top level soloq players like brownmandarius revenge Adrian viper eclipse and dragoonsmash make this match up frustrating.

Vlad: he has all the tools to stonewall lane until he’s hit a point that he will be far more useful than you in teamfights and will need 2 people to deal with him.

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Ranged match ups are all about being decisive about your fights and balancing your itemization between building items for laning (Doran’s,hexdrinkers,boots) and building what’s optimal for your build (trinity ravenous). Go in with a plan for when you believe you are strong enough to win a straight up fight and take it. If you think you need that hexdrinker and level 6 to beat the kennen in an all in, be sure to conserve health and miss as little gold and xp as possible until that point. Then back, get your items and prep to fight.

Often times it can work to your benefit when those champions are weak or underplayed because people won’t know match ups relative to the person who plays their otp. So even if your champ is underpowered they will still have their strong sides and weak sides, sej for example still has her powerful early ganks and amazing mid late game utility. Making sure to play to your specific champions strengths will make a huge difference. Check out the maokai otp AMA for more in this over on summoner school his ign is aizo

I’ll start from square one as a general way to extend your lead assuming this is after you back and buy your items or w/e it is you need.

1. Get back to lane
2. Hard shove the wave into their tower for 1 wave so that it will reset and meet your minions in the middle of lane.
3. Pink ward the river bush or tri bush if you are on red side.
4. Kill the minions so you have 1 more minion in your wave at the start of the wave (this will create a slow push into them)
5. If the enemy steps up to clear minions, you have to make a point to pressure them either through trading if they don’t back away or just zoning them if they do. (This part can be very tricky to do if they are a ranged champion, often you will have to trade with them because they can push from ranged)

6, keep pressure on them (you don’t have to fight if they are standing really far back) while last hitting your minions so the wave keeps building, it will probably have grown to a 3 or 4 minion lead in your wave by the second wave. This is good.

7. When the third wave arrives or whenever your wave starts to push into their tower, fully clear it and crash it into their tower.

7 and a half. At this point you need to decide if there is an opportunity for you to roam and kill someone close by, check the minimap to see if there is a fight or something going on near mid or jungle. You are either dedicating your resources to make a play or set up a freeze in the next minute and a half. We’re going to assume there isn’t anywhere for you to roam.

8. Using your shield to mitigate tower shots, get some small damage on them when the huge wave is under their tower, just q-w them and run (understand this can be dangerous vs champs with immediate cc like renekton Darius)

9. When their next wave arrives under tower to meet your big crashes wave, continue to pressure them over their cs (especially the ranged ones) and don’t try to kill their wave fast as you want it to build up into more than 6 minions so it pushes back to you.

10. As their wave slowly comes back to you (you will be last hitting while pressuring them of course) try and keep 2-3 minions more in their wave then yours. They should try and start hard shoving their wave so that they can leave the lane and not get frozen on, you have to make a point to pressure them when they try to or you won’t be able to freeze and it will all be for nothing.

11. The wave should be in the middle or in your side of the lane by now, (this is usually 2-3 waves after you crashed your big wave earlier) with them having 2-3 minions more in their wave than in yours.

12. You have your freeze set up, and now just maintain the 3-4 minions more in their wave than yours, and keep pressure on them so they can’t just clear it as fast as possible, if they step up too far you can all in or just deny them cs until the freeze naturally breaks by getting too close to tower or cannon wave comes and naturally turns into a slow push back into them, rinsing and repeating the cycle.

3 points into w and then q max and take grasp or pta. You won’t ever be using your e aggressively into him unless he uses his e or you are going for an all in. You will just be focusing on whittling him down with w poke and keeping the wave close to your tower by baiting his q out so he naturally pushes lane into you, and can’t chase you down far. The match up is similar to jax in that it isn’t impossible but takes a lot of patience and consistency. You’ll be baiting out his trades and whittling him down until he gets to around 50% and then you can all in him to finish the kill before he gets 5 stacks. Your w has 50 range on his q and e so don’t eat anything for free, when he tries to q walk into it and q-q back away, if he tries to extend it with his e, use your e after his e and buffer an extra auto as your e is flying out. Post 6 it’s the same game plan but use your r to dodge his q after he hooks you.

Generally, grasp with timewarp tonic and biscuits. Pre 6 your going to be starting q and playing super aggressive and in his face. Don’t ever let him step up to build fury in the wave without contest. You are far stronger before level 6 especially if you take control level 1 with q start and slow push the wave into to him and keep the pressure on. Crash the big wave lvl 2/3 whenever it naturally goes in and let it slow push back to you. Your gonna try to freeze with a health advantage from your levels 1/2 and build the biggest advantage you can before he gets 6. You don’t need tabis or Tiamat into this match up just rush trinity phage first. 3 points in w into q max, you are going to want to play for yourself this lane because it’s difficult especially if you set yourself behind by roaming and prioritizing your teammates. You can let a wave go if there’s a very close by fight going on that you can potentially pick up a kill in if you leave first, but don’t leave for 2 waves at a time or super frequently because you will lose yourself a lot of minion and xp and make the lane way harder than you need to. After 6 just be patient, get what cs you safety can and play for for your trinity spike to start getting feisty. If your both 0-0-0 and he’s only up 10-15 cs you’ve effectively won the lane.

My personal vendetta is against renekton currently, but I usually no ban or ban yi because I think it’s important to practice vs everything so I can play the match up the best possible when it comes up.

I think it’s really underrated by a lot of Camille players because of the fact you don’t get a combat keystone, but inspiration has the best minor runes by a large margin. With klepto magic boots biscuits and timewarp you get strong laning from biscuits and timewarp along with secondary resolve for boneplate+shield bash and you get a really accelerated build from klepto+boots. It’s a bit harder to use than grasp or pta because it requires more self control and has a slightly weaker lane phase, but I think it definitely has its pay offs. Generally for a newer Camille player I’d recommend starting with grasp or comet

When flame/solo/impact we’re at their peak playing in na (I want to say 2/3 seasons ago) on the accounts flame flame flame, jue viole grace, and impact. Games felt nearly pointless against them because they were so hard to play vs in lane on carry vs carry match ups that even if I was on point and got out even or ahead they would end up catching up in gold through really strong wave management and would have huge impact on fights at points I wouldn’t have seen with classic picks like gp rumble and Camille. Honourable mentions go to licorice when he was just an academy player because he took soloq really seriously and was really good too, as well as a really old player who from what I heard went to kr academy called ssita.

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Personally a big fan of swain gnar and jax as my back up blinds since none of them have super back counter picks and scale really well. Though I’ll often blind Camille for the sake of practicing all match ups.

Definitely good mid, has some really strong match ups and amazing roam pressure, check out a player called sudzzi if you want to see a mid laner who plays her semi frequently.

A lot of it is trial and error, the problem in lower ranks is that you will get away with stuff you shouldn’t because players don’t play optimally majority of the time. Other than playing the match up a lot and looking at numbers / theory crafting interactions, make sure to talk to other people about it so that you can hear different ideas. Even at high elo I can play match ups 50 times but sometimes it helps me more to bounce ideas off other Camille mains like tIanboz, druttut/wolfus or Adrian riven every once in a while.

The most important camps to clear right now are krugs scuttle and buffs and none of them require Tiamat to clear, plus Camille prioritizes heavy ganking and dueling early game so she doesn’t want to be farming camps much but would rather clear the camps that give the most xp (krugs scuttle buff) and then gank a lane or invade

Morde match up is similar to renekton in that hes pretty fragile pre 6, dont be afraid to trade into his passive as it takes nearly 10 seconds to add up to more than an auto. after 6 be safe and get small q2 trades to whittle him down before all ins.

I feel that, GPs play style is just super annoying. Spam Q from range while sitting on a barrel so if you e into him he just pops it and runs away while your slowed. The worst part is even if you do manage to keep him under control he can always ult fights for KP and scale up gradually.

when you e in on him make sure to use your first aa-q to defuse the barrel, most people just dont use your auto reset enough to defuse barrels. Other than that you have to be very careful about leaving lane to roam too much since he shoves waves insanely fast and shreds through towers. Be patient when it comes to the early game against him because its normal to lose before first back because of his insane poke. You can whittle him down a bit with w's into q2 before all ins after first base.

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Been sticking to trinity rush with magical boots more often than not these days, Camille doesn’t really have the luxury of going secondary items early on because of how weak her dueling can be in comparison to other characters. Mainly just get your t2s vs champs like fiora or tryna, big auto attacker champs, most mages you’d want mercs against your better off just getting a phage so you can all in and get closer to trinity. Tiamat has been a no go lately too because it ruins your wave control which Camille really needs in the early game to really cement her leads.