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r/borderlands3•
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Unpopular Opinion: Mayhem should've been unlocked AFTER completing TVHM

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I feel like a lot of the community backlash recently has been heavily based on/surrounding the idea that the late/end game portion of the game is very uneventful.

If Mayhem Mode had been a feature we had to unlock AFTER completing the story mode on TVHM it would've been a much more satisfying progression than the current implementation.

To take it one step further I would even propose that Mayhem 1/2/3 be unlocked at various points in the TVHM playthrough as you clear the worlds. Acting essentially as signifiers for when Act 1, Act 2, and Act 3 of the story had been completed.

This would give TVHM an actual purpose aside from just "additional difficulty" (with notably not much of a benefit) and lets be honest, Mayhem 1 and 2 are kind of pointless additions right now... I'm pretty sure most players were like me an went directly from clearing normal story mode into Mayhem 3.

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EDIT: If they did do a system like this they could also make unlocking Mayhem Mode account wide instead of bound to character. I would love to level a new character from lvl 1 but with Mayhem 3 mods to really test my abilities! This would also allow players who prefer efficiency to just speed level characters to 50 if they chose to do so.

Posted Oct 7, 2019, 6:10 PM UTC · edited

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Snydenthur•

I'm EXTREMELY happy they didn't take that approach.

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Rexob85•

I personally have no issues with the endgame content and have over 150hrs of farming. I always found it annoying having to replay the campaign so the game would scale to my level.

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timeandeffortpsn•

Definitely woulda lengthened the game. I also miss being softcapped in normal mode. I find circle of slaughter missions boring and would usually save those for last....when I was several levels above them. Now I have to actually work to clear those. (My moze cant seem to kill anything that’s in melee range, making the dogs/tinks a hassle)

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ImagoDroop•

I agree. I will play through TVHM on my characters anyways because it's the borderlands way. Seems crazy that an entire playthrough can be skipped and you don't lose out on anything. Level 50 gear is all the same regardless so there isn't much point for most people

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DystopianImperativeC.o.V. :u-cov:•

That's probably why. They knew Borderlands people would play either way and tried to help out a bigger and/or more casual audience.

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LethalDiversion•

Maybe instead of taking away something that shouldn't be buried behind the second playthrough and moving it there, we should ask:

Why isn't there anything to gain from playing TVHM, other than slightly different damage type modifiers?

Maybe TVHM could offer increased chances for annointed gear to drop, or some other flavor of change.

Or, maybe TVHM was implemented early as a chance to get level 50 quest rewards, but will eventually serve as the gateway to higher level endgame once more DLC is out.

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penultimatejawa•

Even more unpopular opinion, they should have just ditched TVHM entirely and made individual quests repeatable. There's zero point in running the campaign twice with the same character, especially when its fairly easy to get to the level cap after the first playthrough.

A lot of clunky and outdated systems were left untouched for no justifiable reason.

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MojoTheFabulous•

As someone that had their bank wiped this would be a really great thing to have so I can repeat only the quests I need to regain my lost items.

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sithlordnibblerClaptrap :u-claptrap:•

I agree .. this actually would have made a lot.of sense. I'm going through TVHM now just to get it done on my main but I fully agree with you.

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Emilthegoat•

Nah

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AbysmalVixenTiny Tina :u-tinytina:•

I like this idea

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MojoTheFabulous•

I'd rather not have to play through the game twice for Mayhem. That is just needlessly tedious.

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Brawlerz16•

That's an opinion that's probably not too unpopular, but my opinion is either TVHM needs to be removed OR it needs to be the UVHM.

I don't want to replay the story 3 times. Didn't really mind in BL1 and BL2 story was pretty strong cause of Jack. But this one? Meh lol.

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shiyaannoburuAmara :u-amara:•

I plan to have about 6 characters when all is said and done

The only thing more cancerous than having to sit through these unskippable scenes once, six times, would be to sit through these unskippable scenes twice, six times.

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Catabloo•

It would of forced the player to listen to the same story without any of the good rewards being end game worthy.Personally I agree with mayhem being after normal mode.Im the kinda guy that doesn’t like to be forced to reply what I just finished to get to max level.If I wanted that experience I would of stuck with Destiny 2 and did the raids 50 more times.

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KickerofTale•

M1 and 2 are good entry levels to get gear so you can survive/farm M3, imo.

I do agree with you, to a point, in regards to introducing Mayhem levels after you beat TVHM.

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That said, I'm glad it's available right away after beating normal. It was a great change of pace.

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Merlance13Moze :u-moze:•

Wait you have to play all the way though TVHM to unlock Mayhem mode on console on pc its just avalible.

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shamrock_muffin•

Mayhem is pointless because you can just jump into mayhem 2 no problem and mayhem 3 once you’re level 50. They don’t scale properly and the modifiers aren’t a good or consistent system to increase difficulty either. I see your point but I think the issue would be even worse because true vault hunter mode is easy on its own and not very distinguishable from the first play through. So you have to go through 2 similar experiences to unlock an endgame feature that is pretty flawed? I’d be pretty disappointed and probably burnt out by the time I got there if I had to do all of that on 1 character just to unlock endgame features. However, I do agree with most of what you’ve said, it’s just that the game’s current state can’t support a very logical proposition like yours.

In short, yes, but not right now because we need skippable cutscenes, etc. and a balanced endgame.

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Bl3tempsubmission•

You know this is how it works on console and it only doesnt work that way on PC due to a bug right?

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raamzilla•

1 word: Casuals.

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L488Hyperion :u-hyperion:•

Yeah id love to sit through 3 hours of unskippable cutscenes ive already seen and play 5 hours of missions ive already done just to get my character to endgame

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Drakepenn•

Okay, I feel I'm the only person that feels that TVHM is easier. The elemental damage bonuses are higher, and Cry and Radiation have bonuses too.

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Chapwnis•

Wait so I just beat the game and I’m level 34. What’s the best way for me to get 50? Activate mayhem 3 and just farm things?

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