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killthepyro

(Theros: Beyond Death) Obligatory Spoiler Thread

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This is less of a spoiler thread and more of a discussion of the new Elspeth Planeswalker. She’s the only card in the 33 spoiled so far that I think could have any impact on this format.

I’m curious to see what everyone else thinks about an Oathbreaker that can come back from the graveyard after it dies (and possibly one of few Oathbreakers that are okay with being sent to the graveyard).

Her abilities seem kind of tame, but her recurring nature and what her abilities do make me think she could be at the helm of some stalling deck that simply wants to outlive the opponents.

Thoughts?

Picture of card.

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EDIT:

I’ve been looking into some ways to build around her, but most of them don’t have to do with her abilities and most of them use her as a value piece to win a longer game.

Lots of life gain (commander damage isn’t exactly a thing here) and removal, so far. Maybe throw in a few hatebears.

EDIT 2:

So far for good SSes, I’m looking at Proclamation of Rebirth for a budget Weenie-style stall deck and Teferi’s Protection for more competitive Stax deck. Norn’s Annex, Legion’s Landing, Suture Priest are cropping up in my speculative decklists.

Proc deck would also run Martyr of Sands and Serra Ascendant on top of Soul Warden, Soul’s Attendant, and maybe even a Resplendent Angel.

Curve toppers for the deck could be Divine Visitation, which isn’t that unusual for an Elspeth deck.

Posted Oct 30, 2019, 8:07 PM UTC · edited

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negative274•

If I pull one she’ll probably go in my Ally of Zendikar token deck. I don’t plan to build another mono W deck for her though.

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Stumphead101•

Oooo

Do you have an Ally tribe deck? Or is this a mono whote gideon deck?

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negative274•

It’s a token deck that mainly sacs Gideon to get the emblem as many times as possible. New Elspeth might be a cool way to play out of the graveyard when I have nothing else going on.

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Stringbean64Ral, Storm Conduit•

What reason are you needing her to be in the graveyard for mono white if she is your oathbraker? Are you wanting to exile your own cards for some value?

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MisterJoke•

It's not impossible that at some point, she'll be cheaper to get out of the graveyard than out of the Command Zone.

And since you're playing Mono W, you're not doing loads with your graveyard.

Source: I've been in some pretty long Oathbreaker games.

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Gladiator-class•

You'd only have to cast her twice for that to be the case (assuming she went to the command zone after the first time she died). Since she has no built in way to build loyalty and there's little if any proliferate in white, she'll be hitting the graveyard pretty quickly after you cast her one way or the other.

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killthepyroOPGarruk, Apex Predator•

There’s not a lot of payoff for exiling cards, so not quite. But in long stally games, being able to come back for a set amount and practically shrug off removal and wipes is pretty valuable to a deck like that.

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Zwelleriox•

Wish she was orzhov

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Penguinswin3•

Take the [[lingering souls]] approach and make the escape cost black. I would love that.

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MTGCardFetcher•

lingering souls - (G) (SF) (txt)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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Ninjaboi333•

She fits into my dead white planeswalker tribal deck soooo

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myanruellerElspeth, Sun's Champion•

Hey! I built that deck too! Well, it's more a "tribute the fallen" with Serra, Elspeth, Gideon, and Avacyn.

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SKIKS•

Any time you have a command zone card that can bypass the commender tax, it is bound to get good value over a long game. However, her first 2 skills lend to beat down a bit as well. I feel like she could support white weenie soldier tokens quite nicely, paired with [[Raise the Alarm]] as the signature. Fill out the deck with soldier support and some anthems, toss in [[Anointed Procession]] and you're golden.

Build it as a mid range go-wide, but know you have the value to enter the late game if you need to.

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MTGCardFetcher•

Raise the Alarm - (G) (SF) (txt)
Anointed Procession - (G) (SF) (txt)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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gabgoli•

I see her most powerful in hatebears/stax deck, drawing out the game until she costs way less than the rest of the oathbreakers and using her pump ability on your hatebears.

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otterbomber•

There’s probably a way to make it work for some recurring 1/1s...but doesn’t seem worth it

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Hellbringer123•

That - 1 should be +0 at least.

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mtgsyko82•

Mono white graveyard recursion?

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cherry90md•

From what I know, both the oathbreaker and the signature spell CANNOT go to the graveyard, so....

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killthepyroOPGarruk, Apex Predator•

The signature spell cannot. The oathbreaker can.

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FerociousFlame•

You choose what zone the oathbreaker goes to, just like commander

Signature spells can't go to the graveyard, oathbreakers can

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cherry90md•

Ok, thanks for the clarification!

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