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IvGotSomthinToSay

Diablo 2 - I have no idea how to trade

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I mean, I know how to click on someone and start a trade, but I have absolutely zero idea on what constitutes a fair price for anything. Like I want to get an arachnid mesh belt, which the internet tells me shouldn’t be too terribly expensive. But what even is expensive? I presume my noob treasury measures by a different stick for now.

So, is there a resource for estimating prices of things? I’m on Ladder US east, by the way.

Posted Nov 15, 2019, 2:41 PM UTC

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shapookya•

D2 trading is not a supermarket with prices next to items. It's a bazaar. You need to compare prices from different sellers and you need to haggle or you will pay too high of a price.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

I understand that much, but having no starting point at all to work with on what anything is worth in relation to anything else makes that difficult to get started on :/

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Liiraye-Sama•

I can understand that, and I would be able to help you out if you asked me 10 years ago, but the game is so oversaturated with bots that the prices are probably super scuffed now. Plus it's the end of ladder so I really don't know. Typically random % arach can go for a few mid runes / a low high rune or something I guess? but again the prices depends on the seller, and what you have that he needs. Best thing is to show what you have and see if he needs something.

Rarity and rolls determine the worth as well, if it's a shit roll arach you can argue it's not worth too much, vice versa. Similarly, a 141 shako is worth like 5 times that of a 138 shako. It's literally supply and demand determined trading per person. How much you need the item is also on you, so overpaying for stuff because you really want it is part of trading.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Alright, thanks!

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Obliivescence•

the game is so oversaturated with bots that the prices are probably super scuffed now

a 141 shako is worth like 5 times that of a 138 shako

The only reason you even LOOK at the defense of a shako is because they are so common... it really doesnt matter, because like you said all the bots mess up prices

I think OP is wondering about the actual INTRINSIC value of items in relation to eachother - rarity of course factored in - to come up with reasons why a Shako may have similar value to an arach for example. Not why the ED% roll on an arach is worth more to an OCD botter who has hundreds of duped High Runes and wants his items to be "perfect" when rolls like that mean absolutely nothing. (Of course rolls on some items like a griffons +dmg/-res are still crucial to the item's value)

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shapookya•

communication is your starting point. You ask what they want for it.

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supnov3•

Honestly this is why people use d2jsp. Barter in game is horribly inefficient, most of the time it involves both parties not knowing this detail close to heart and almost always one person walks away with a deal that's really good while the other gets the opposite.

Edit: I should add that even if you have no intentions of using d2jsp to directly trade on, it's a good resource to reference the value of items on it.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

I might look into that more. I found it earlier, but it was just a forum setup, and seemed difficult to find anything (the search feature was locked without creating an account). Thanks for your help.

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supnov3•

Also I should have added if you ever want items for free I can hook you up on east ladder.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Hey, I appreciate it! When I first started last week, someone came to my game and gave me a few items (Tal Ammy+belt, occulus, shako, and Gheed’s charm). I hate to leech too much off the generosity of other players. At some point I’ve got to do the hunt myself. But considering I’ve heard this is near the end of this Ladder, I wouldn’t mind a little more leg up to get the most out of this ladder before it resets :)

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TheButterPlank•

If I recall, aracnids is in the Pul-Mal range, depending on how new the ladder season is. Runes are the currency, and while I don't remember exact prices for everything, a good rule of thumb is:

Pul-Mal have value, but they are the bottom tier. Don't even try to trade runes below 'Pul'. Things like Occy and Shako you can usually get in this range.

Ist-Ohm is mid, and should get you most anything that isn't 'GG endgame'. You should also be able to buy good runeword bases.

Lo and up is high runes, generally speaking. Cham and Sur aren't worth much though.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Thank you, this gives me something of a starting point for where to begin without embarrassing myself, lol. (And more importantly not wasting anyone’s time, particularly on the point about runes below Pul).

Are pgems of any real use in trading? I see mentions of trading multiple pgems for things online in a few placed, but I can’t tell if maybe that’s outdated and not practical anymore?

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TheButterPlank•

You can trade 40 Pgems for things, but I never really bothered. I found buyers to be rare, and well, accumulating 40 Pgems is more of a pain in the ass than it sounds. They are definitely worth keeping though, as they are used in a lot of cube recipes, and you never know when you might see a 'X for 40Pgems' game.

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6890•

Do people still differentiate between "PGems" and "PSkulls"? I remember that was a distinction people made so its worth being aware that you may not be able to group the two together.

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Zaikoholic•

Sur runes are worth quite a lot cause you can upgrade 2x Sur+flawless amethyst into 1 Ber rune in the cube.

So people who already have a 1 sur can get a ber rune for cheaper.

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Defusion55•

When I first started what I did, albeit was a bit tedious, was just asked Wuw? what you want? or I would refresh the games list looking for arachnid 4 pul or arachnid 4 um or what ever. I never traded with the first few people that told me what they wanted just to kind of see if it was consistent with the other people. Then I had a decent idea of what is fair. Luckily because Diablo II is mostly bartering people will sometimes ask for a specific item for a specific item, but occasionally will just join a game to see what you have to offer.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Refeshing games tends to get me roughly the same list of “baalrun678843”, “cbaal4ever9999”, etc with a few “I’m trudging through the campain” type games or whatever. How do you find multiple people selling specific items by refreshing?

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midoriiro•

Have you tried using the Chat Gem?

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

This is clearly where I messed up :)

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Fr4t•

Here is a good starting point so you don't get ripped off too much. The list is 2 years old but still valid:

https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/europe-sc-ladder-price-list-2017.937921/

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Thank you! This is exactly the sort of general index I was hoping for as a starting point!

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blizter•

I'm not sure if this is any accurate, because this is from 15 years old memories, but I think it's worth a Pul.

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pisulanu•

It is something around pul yes.

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stickytak•

No way. Arach was always a HR

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pisulanu•

Depends how late it is in the season. Right now the season is almost over, so I wouldn't give more than a pul.

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IvGotSomthinToSayOP•

Thanks!

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xJukex•

Arach Belt depending on the time of ladder would be around a Vex rune ;)

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Unkindled_Phoenix•

WuW

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[deleted]•

The buyer decides what it's worth

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6890•

I decide it is worth El. Will you give me one?

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