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A user tears her hair out over other users' bald assertions about hair salon prices for women in r/WatchPeopleDieInside

Do women's haircuts cost more because they are different from men's haircuts, or because women's salons are usually "fancy places" and people are sexist?

The first slapfight is based on two users' comparisons with the prices of their boyfriends' haircuts:

The discussion heats up because one user will not make do with anecdotes and unverifiable evidence.

This same user also takes on a more militant user who accuses others of hairsplaining and invokes the 'pink tax' that women pay for their haircuts. Their response is dismissive:

Oh you're one of those

And while the women are tackling the big issues, the men in that thread are congratulating each other on the cheap haircuts they can find: 10 euro in Europe, £4.50 in Britain, and as low as $1.5 somewhere very cheap!

Here's the thread in full.

Posted Nov 16, 2019, 11:31 PM UTC

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whatsinthesocksIt is not my opinion, it is a thesis I created,•

The other bf got a full haircut plus beard trim for half the price of his gf's one-inch bang trim.

My question is why would you continue to go there

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RealRealGoodfun is just a buzzword•

Because this wasn't an accurate paraphrase. The commenter got one inch off her length and a bang trim.

Now if the woman in question already had longer hair, then shampooing, blowdry, and just getting it too look right does take longer and is more effort than just doing a fade + long on top, which is most guy's haircuts.

FWIW, I'm a salon receptionist. A lot of times, if a woman with shorter hair is getting something simple like a man's cut, we'll charge them for a men's cut ($23). So far in my experience we've only had one long haired guy came in and he cut all his hair off, but other than than, most of our male clients get basic, 20 minute men's cuts. Even the women's short cuts typically require more layer and styling. Our women's cuts are $40. If the hair is extra long, we do have a long hair charge of $15.

A bang trim by itself? $10. Free, if you're a regular coming in between appointments.

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Yashakami•

I'm a firm believer in not paying to get my hair cut. But I think your prices are fair considering two things, 1: people are obviously willing to pay your prices and 2: Hair styling and cutting requires a lot of skill and trust, Hair Stylists deserve to be paid for those skills.

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ReadalieEveryone knows the force is nonbinary genderfluid, same as God.•

These prices are about in line with what I pay. I definitely get hit with the long hair charge, but it makes sense since there's more of it to dry and style. And especially so with how thick my hair is--overall it's a lot of work for my stylist.

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TheLadyEveThe hippest fashion in malthusian violence.•

There's a woman in my neighborhood who does cheap haircuts and is really fair in pricing women vs. men. The place is run down, and she's always smoking out front when she's not working, but she does a great job and she's inexpensive.

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SamWhiteYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE•

You're questioning why the BF would go there?

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whatsinthesocksIt is not my opinion, it is a thesis I created,•

No, why the gf would

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IAintBlackNoMoreLebron is a COWARD for not sending his kids to Syria•

Look, any readers... before you go repeating the pink tax thing, google a debunking first. You might be surprised at how blatantly misleading this issue is. If you've never heard of the pink tax, google a video on it first (it's sorta silly to watch a debunking before you've heard the argument).

This is how you fork educated understandings of complicated issues, apparently

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anonzilla•

Yeah haha. Tbh this is my introduction to the pink tax.

I am however familiar with concern trolling by reactionaries on Reddit...is this one really female? My bs detector is showing a hit.

Just that line of argument of “watch a video then google ‘debunking’, you’ll soon see that I was right all along” seems very much like a typical Reddit dude. Of course I’m willing to accept there are women on the site who have been socialized with all the MRA crap here and internalized the standard Reddit prejudices.

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flower_milk•

Of course I’m willing to accept there are women on the site who have been socialized with all the MRA crap here and internalized the standard Reddit prejudices.

Honestly I feel like the more time you spend on Reddit as a woman outside of specifically female spaces, the more likely you're either going to fed up with all the incels everywhere and stop going to Reddit all together, or you're going to become a woman with MRA opinions. That is pretty much how I feel every time I venture into a subreddit where people are not already friendly to women or feminism. It gets really tiring to constantly have to explain to men on this website that no, women as a whole are not out to get you and are just people with thoughts and emotions just like you and not some mysterious alien species.

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[deleted]•

I keep just slowly blocking subreddits any time I see the mods don't crack down on bigotry. It's usually pretty clear racism that does it, but sometimes it's misogyny. I'm a woman in my 30's, but I like browsing r/all and I don't mind meme subreddits circlejerks, etc as long as people aren't allowed to be awful. But, I'm getting to the point where what's left is more atypical of the Reddit communities and it does feel like that's a sign I should move on.

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Noilen1at least i don't fill my text with yellow testicles•

I don't know, reddit might make some women develop MRA opinions, but personally it just made me more aware of how common misogyny still is.

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Bingobingus•

That person rocke-t-girl def spouts mra shit on multiple subs i think its a dude.

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paulcoscaThe fuck are talking about•

I love that the person is angrily seething about something stupid, then confused why the other commenter won't give out their friend's business name and location, like "WHY WON'T YOU TELL ME?? ALL I'M GOING TO DO IS CALL THEM ON THE PHONE AND YELL AT THEM ABOUT THEIR PRICES, WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL?"

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Batman_Biggins•

Perhaps someone can enlighten me if I'm wrong, but aren't women's hair cuts usually more expensive because they take longer?

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Plorkyeran•

That is the general reason, but women will sometimes (but not always!) get charged more even when the cut they're getting doesn't take any longer and isn't any more complicated. The thread features two groups of people who have or haven't seen this happen and refuse to accept that their personal experience is not universal.

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PoogansNow that I have your attention, I just want to say fuck you. •

The thread features two groups of people who have or haven't seen this happen and refuse to accept that their personal experience is not universal.

It seems like one side is much more egregious when it comes to refusing to accept that their experience isn’t universal. The group that says some places charge more to women for similar cuts tend to add caveats in their comments about how it’s some places. The other group is just flat out saying “no it doesn’t happen. Look it up”

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Batman_Biggins•

Weird. Another question - why would a woman that wants a cut of similar complexity and time to a man's hair cut not go to a barber instead?

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grelphycan you come over and fuck my fleshlight for me•

Some do. Some barbers only cut men's hair. Some women may find the atmosphere of a salon more inviting than a barbershop (though obviously both are highly variable). Many, I'm sure, just don't think of it as an option.

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keyonte0•

Some women may find the atmosphere of a salon more inviting than a barbershop

Well then that's what you're paying for.

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DongerDave•

Even if a woman's haircut and a man's haircut are similar complexity and time, that doesn't make them identical. Barbers are far more familiar with men's hair, and vice-versa for salons. It makes sense to go to someone more familiar with hair like yours.

In addition, societal expectations also exist, and people frequently pay more money to conform to societal expectations.

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Paninic•

Even when I had short hair it was a very feminine haircut, but a lot of my past girlfriends had 'mens' hair cuts. Some barbers won't take female customers even if they want the same exact cut as another man in their barbershop. It's definitely not universal though

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Vio_Social Justice ~~Warrior~~ Soldier•

They tend to be longer, have more styles, cuts, layering, thickness/fullness, and so on. And that's not including dyes and perms and treatments and braids and straighteners and whatever.

They're not just charging for the haircut and salon rent, but also the education and practice required for stylists to go through to get certified.

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Captain_HampocketsOh you’re using the term “football” for "soccer." Common mistake•

It's $2 over here, and you get your hair washed, dried, and then styled after the cutting.

I imagine that this is all you get for 2 bucks, but in less fancy digs

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qwerto14I wanna fuck a sexy demon•

Yeah that’s like, maybe 6 bucks an hour if the stylists have non-stop customers. They must sell product for a grand a pop if they’re staying open.

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netabarekingThe guy who knows more about Pokemon (me)•

This is driving me crazy because it reminded me of this comic someone drew of their experience as a very androgynous person and they went into a salon with flat rates for men and women and they paid and as they were leaving realized that the amount they were charged was the halfway point between those two prices

And I CANNOT FIND THIS COMIC NOW

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SadDragon00•

Man here I am reading about people complaining over $40 haircut's while my wife comes back after a 6 hour appointment with a $300 price tag.

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nancy_balloskyMore Meme than Man•

Those cut and colors man, they get you.

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BRXF1Are you really calling Greek salads basic?!•

In an international site full of people from all over the globe, whether all hair salons on earth are the same seems to be an issue of debate.

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EnFuegoFieriVanilla Gorilla•

I'm a guy and I've payed 15-20 for a haircut and 150 for a haircut. The 150 was my haircut for my wedding so they did more with it. That's what I always assumed. Women paid more because A.) it takes longer for women's hair styles and B.) They're getting more/more expensive product in their hair. Kind of shitty if people are just charging because of, "you're a woman." Isn't that illegal?

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FoximusMaximusDon't lose a war and you can Nuremberg me all you want bitch•

laughs in bald

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Oblivious122I'll dub you the double dipshit burger•

...I need a haircut. Is reddit trying to shame me into getting a haircut before payday?

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PoogansNow that I have your attention, I just want to say fuck you. •

Yes

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