One of the few podcasts that argues for Adnan’s guilt
Posted Dec 13, 2019, 6:37 PM UTC
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Opening Arguments is an excellent podcast. I don't agree with a whole heck of lot of what they have to say about the Syed case, but I would not want any of my criticisms to be seen as a criticism of the show itself. Everyone interested in analysis of (mostly) current legal issues should listen.
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The hosts are clearly not on top on the factual record the way people who have followed the case clearly for years are. Procedural history and other things were gotten wrong.
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I don't necessarily think their Strickland analysis (which was the main point of the episode, using this case - and specifically the COA opinion, and the cert petition) was wrong, but they ultimately got to "close decision", "fact-based" etc, which is fine as it goes, but given that they were not on top of the facts, I think there's plenty of room for disagreement.
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At the top of the episode, Andrew (the lawyer) said that a lot of people tweeted at him to talk about issues such as lividity, etc, which he didn't do because his focus was on the last steps in Adnan's appeal (ie, the COA decision and cert petition). Whatever one thinks about lividity, it wasn't before COA.
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I didn’t believe he was guilty in 1999 and I don’t believe he’s guilty now. No one will ever convince me otherwise and I find it disgusting that we are nearly middle age now and yet he has spent this entire time (since we were kids) behind bars. It really isn’t cool. I wonder if he’ll ever get out...
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He had his chance to admit guilt and get out in a few years and said no. Parole is his best chance to get out so he will have to decide his strategy for it. It's his no remorse for killing Hae that is so concerning.
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Hard to have remorse for something that you didn’t do.
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Exactly why Adnan should have remorse.
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We'll see what happens in about 4 years. Until recently he had no incentive to confess.
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What if he confesses? Would that change your mind?
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Sure, but why would he? He didn’t do it. He could’ve taken a plea deal, but refused. It made no sense then as to why he would kill her (when it was actually MY local news) and it makes no sense now. They botched the case.
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I guess I don't understand why you can't think a guy would kill his gf after she left him for another man.
But in terms of botching it, it was Adnan who botched it. Any fake story could have easily been defeated in Adnan wasn't a space cadet and had more than, "I might have been somewhere during those two times that were important"
And it wouldn't be a botch if Adnan is innocent, the cops would have to go well beyond that since Jay knew how Hae was killed, how she was buried, where she was buried, what she drove, what was missing on her, and he knew where the crime scene was when the cops didn't even know.
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Well in 2012 he testified that he would have accepted a guilty plea, which is tantamount to a confession assuming he has to allocute.
You said there’s nothing that would change your mind, which is why I asked what I did.
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I'm with you. It frustrates me people are so blindsided with jen and jay. I understand initially why people thought he was guilty but in light of updated evidence over time regards cell mast information , grass analysis with regards to her car, autopsy infotmation plus no solid DNA evidence I honestly believe hes innocent. I find most comments on here are anti Adnan and completely blinkered and unable to look outside the box. I find it hard to.believe it has got as far as it has and yet the american legal system still sticks with their original stance. I think they cant find him innocent now because they will be left with too much egg on their face and a massive compensation bill.
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I feel I ‘looked inside the box’ and saw what I didn’t expect to see.
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I only listened to the one about the Supre Court. They made some small errors but thought it was okay. I think they were weak in that they didnt understand the alibi problem.
Howdy, I'm an Opening Arguments listener, and only now started Serial after listening to their episode about it. The hosts welcome, even crave, corrections when they make an error, and they'll update everyone in a segment called Andrew Was Wrong.
You can email them at [email protected]
Or if you'd rather just tell me here I'll pass it on.
That's really great that they do that. Above all else, intellectual dishonesty really bothers me the most. Admitting oneself is wrong is painful, so I'm glad to hear they welcome that.
Conversation about what they got wrong can be found here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcastorigins/comments/e9pi3a/opening_arguments_podcast_adnan_is_obviously/
Ty, I emailed them the thread.