Help me find a passage I read years ago...

I recall reading a passage years ago about how each person, or their mind, is like a garden that they design. No garden can have all types of plants and hardscape, but rather, each garden has to have limits and some sort of cohesion to be beautiful. Some gardens are hard and minimal, others are lush and overgrowing, but to be aesthetic, they have to have some sort of limit, or guiding principle, or unity. (Sorry if this explanation is inaccurate, but that's why I want to find it and read it again.)

I believe the passage I'm looking for was in either The Gay Science, Twilight of the Idols, or The Anti-Christ, though it may have been Zarathustra. This passage may or may not have been near another passage about how people should not be loyal to ideals, but should try on ideals and see how they suit them, and if the don't suit them, the ideal should be discarded. Or, I may be remembering that wrong.

Edit: Upon reflection, I think the book was The Gay Science or Zarathurstra, not Twilight or Anti-Christ.

Edit 2: This post has been solved by u/Booksaretooexpensive. The passage I was looking for was Gay Science 290, One Thing Is Needful.

Posted Dec 13, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC · edited

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Could it be Dawn 174 or the gay science 290?

Gs 290

One thing is needful. -- To "give style" to one’s character-- a great and rare art! It is practiced by those who survey all the strengths and weaknesses of their nature and then fit them into an artistic plan until every one of them appears as art and reason and even weaknesses delight the eye. Here a large mass of second nature has been added; there a piece of original nature has been removed -- both times through long practice and daily work at it. Here the ugly that could not be removed is concealed; there it has been reinterpreted and made sublime. Much that is vague and resisted shaping has been saved and exploited for distant views; it is meant to beckon toward the far and immeasurable. In the end, when the work is finished, it becomes evident how the constraint of a single taste governed and formed everything large and small. Whether this taste was good or bad is less important than one might suppose, if only it was a single taste! It will be the strong and domineering natures that enjoy their finest gaiety in such constraint and perfection under a law of their own; the passion of their tremendous will relaxes in the face of all stylized nature, of all conquered and serving nature. Even when they have to build palaces and design gardens they demur at giving nature freedom. Conversely, it is the weak characters without power over themselves that hate the constraint of style. They feel that if this bitter and evil constraint were imposed upon them they would be demeaned; they become slaves as soon as they serve; they hate to serve. Such spirits -- and they may be of the first rank -- are always out to shape and interpret their environment as free nature: wild, arbitrary, fantastic, disorderly, and surprising. And they are well advised because it is only in this way that they can give pleasure to themselves. For one thing is needful: that a human being should attain satisfaction with himself, whether it be by means of this or that poetry or art; only then is a human being at all tolerable to behold. Whoever is dissatisfied with himself is continually ready for revenge, and we others will be his victims, if only by having to endure his ugly sight. For the sight of what is ugly makes one bad and gloomy.

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Moral fashion of a commercial society.  Behind the basic principle of the current moral fashion: 'moral actions are actions performed out of sympathy for others', I see the social effect of timidity hiding behind an intellectual mask: it desires, first and foremost, that all the dangers which life once held should be removed from it, and that everyone should assist in this with all his might: hence only those actions which tend towards the common security and society's sense of security are to be accorded the predicate 'good'.  How little pleasure men must nowadays take in themselves when such a tyranny of timidity prescribes to them their supreme moral law, when they so uncontradictingly allow themselves to be ordered to look away from themselves but to have lynx-eyes for all the distress and suffering that exists elsewhere! Are we not, with this tremendous objective of obliterating all the sharp edges of life, well on the way to turning mankind into sand? Sand! Small, soft, round, unending sand! Is that your ideal, you heralds of the sympathetic affections?  In the meantime, the question itself remains unanswered whether one is of more use to another by immediately leaping to his side and helping him  which help can in any case be only superficial where it does not become a tyrannical seizing and transforming  or by creating something out of oneself that the other can behold with pleasure: a beautiful, restful, self-enclosed garden perhaps, with high walls against storms and the dust of the roadway but also a hospitable gate.

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BerlinSpecimenOP•

You found it! The Gay Science section is the one. Thanks! I'll edit the post to indicate that this mystery is solved.

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Happy to help

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Well its definitely not in Beyond Good and Evil or Genealogy of Morals. The only place it would be in Twilight of the Idols is in the Meditations section around where Nietzsche talks about beauty as a subjective concept for a couple of pages. If it isn't around there then its not in Twilight of the Idols.

I haven't read The Gay Science, Anti-Christ or Zarathustra so can't help you there.

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After such a cheerful commencement, a serious word would like to be heard; it appeals to the most serious. Take care, philosophers and friends, of knowledge, and beware of martyrdom! Of suffering “for the truth’s sake”! Even of defending yourselves! It spoils all the innocence and fine neutrality of your conscience; it makes you headstrong against objections and red rags; it stupefies, animalizes, and brutalizes when in the struggle with danger, slander, suspicion, expulsion, and even worse consequences of hostility, you have to pose as protectors of truth upon earth—as though “the truth” were such an innocuous and incompetent creature as to require protectors! and you of all people, you knights of the most sorrowful countenance,2 dear loafers and cobweb-spinners of the spirit! After all, you know well enough that it cannot be of any consequence if you of all people are proved right; you know that no philosopher so far has been proved right, and that there might be a more laudable truthfulness in every little question mark that you place after your special words and favorite doctrines (and occasionally after yourselves) than in all the solemn gestures and trumps before accusers and law courts.3 Rather, go away. Flee into concealment. And have your masks and subtlety,4 that you may be mistaken for what you are not, or feared a little. And don’t forget the garden, the garden with golden trelliswork. And have people around you who are as a garden—or as music on the waters in the evening, when the day is turning into memories. Choose the good solitude, the free, playful, light solitude that gives you, too, the right to remain good in some sense. How poisonous, how crafty, how bad, does every long war make one, that cannot be waged openly by means of force! How personal does a long fear make one, a long watching of enemies, of possible enemies! These outcasts of society, these long-pursued, wickedly persecuted ones—also the compulsory recluses, the Spinozas or Giordano Brunos—always become in the end, even under the most spiritual masquerade, and perhaps without being themselves aware of it, sophisticated vengeance-seekers and poison-brewers (let someone lay bare the foundation of Spinoza’s ethics and theology!), not to speak of the stupidity of moral indignation, which is the unfailing sign in a philosopher that his philosophical sense of humor has left him. The martyrdom of the philosopher, his “sacrifice for the sake of truth,” forces into the light whatever of the agitator and actor lurks in him; and if one has so far contemplated him only with artistic curiosity, with regard to many a philosopher it is easy to understand the dangerous desire to see him also in his degeneration (degenerated into a “martyr,” into a stage- and platform-bawler). Only, that it is necessary with such a desire to be clear what spectacle one will see in any case—merely a satyr play, merely an epilogue farce, merely the continued proof that the long, real tragedy is at an end, assuming that every philosophy was in its genesis a long tragedy.

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Nietzsche, Friedrich. Basic Writings of Nietzsche (Modern Library Classics) . Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

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BerlinSpecimenOP•

Nice find, but this isn't it. This is the section that comes up most commonly when you search for Nietzsche quotes including "garden".

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hakuraimaru•

Following this—very curious to see where this passage comes from! I've been sniffing around in the Google Books preview for Gary Shapiro's "Nietzsche's Earth" book—there's a chapter on the garden metaphor in there, so I'd be surprised if this passage isn't cited somewhere in there. Good luck! :D

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Daybreak, 560?

What we are at liberty to do.  One can dispose of one's drives like a gardener and, though few know it, cultivate the shoots of anger, pity, curiosity, vanity as productively and profitably as a beautiful fruit tree on a trellis; one can do it with the good or bad taste of a gardener and, as it were, in the French or English or Dutch or Chinese fashion; one can also let nature rule and only attend to a little embellishment and tidying-up here and there; one can, finally, without paying any attention to them at all, let the plants grow up and fight their fight out among themselves  indeed, one can take delight in such a wilderness, and desire precisely this delight, though it gives one some trouble, too. All this we are at liberty to do: but how many know we are at liberty to do it? Do the majority not believe in themselves as in complete fully-developed facts? Have the great philosophers not put their seal on this prejudice with the doctrine of the unchangeability of character?

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BerlinSpecimenOP•

I have never read a Nietzsche book by that title. Is it one of his primary works, or some sort of anthology?

That being said, this is the closest quote yet to what I remember.

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It is also translated as Dawn. It was written after Human, All too Human and before the Gay Science, and it marks Nietzsche first serious analysis of morality (sort of a run up to the much more popular Genealogy of Morals). IMO it is his most under-rated book.

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it is his most under-rated book.

Agree. It can be considered one of the 3 'free spirit' works, but is almost always the last pick behind Gay Science and All too Human.

"Dawn" is not a great translation. The colour RED is important - red dawns are also omens of a troubled day. It also harks back to Homer's "Dawn's rosy fingers".

Nietzsche's book titles also hark back to a multi-movement romantic music, with its various coloured moods.

So we have a Birth,
a red dawn,
a twilight,
And Zarathustra - midday!

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Agree. It can be considered one of the 3 'free spirit' works, but is almost always the last pick behind Gay Science and All too Human.

Exactly. I don't understand why people ignore the daybreak and after the gay science and human all too human go straight to beyond good and evil or the genealogy. Perhaps it is because the latter are more controversial and vigorous than the dawn...

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It has to have some sort of unity and limit, though he also says the interior chaos is important and all. Changed his mind maybe? Im not too sure what to think of it personnaly. But it makes sense, these two ideas dont cancel each other out. And thats from zarathoustra im almost sure.

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