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r/Gunners•
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What are your expectations from a new manager?

Looks like Arteta is very close to be being finalized as the new manager. Having never managed before, he is a total unknown quantity. Regardless, what are your expectations from the new manager from now to end of the season?

In the tangibles - Top 4 finish? Top 6 finish? Deep runs in Europa League and FA Cup?

In the intangibles - Improve our defense? Improve some of our youngsters as players?

What would be an absolute unacceptable finish post which you'd want him to get the sack?

Posted Dec 18, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

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GUNNER4EVERdm:32:PepeBangers•

Play attractive football again, show some pride in Arsenal, and win in that order

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radhumandummyRobert Pirès' finger wag•

In that order.

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RyanLikesyoface•

This is Arsenal's identity, this is what we mean when we say Arsenal values. Attractive football comes first, I want to see us play beautifully, winning is important but if we have to play boring football to do it, it means less to me. Right now we're in a rough spot, and it's about survival so I understand if we have to play boring to get back on track, but once we're back on our feet I want to see attractive football again.

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goonerfan10•
  1. Install a work ethic and winning culture.
  2. Build an identity football wise.
  3. Instill a team defense concept.
  4. Develop our talented young core
  5. Play good football.
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Ma1vo•

Feel like proper results should be somewhere on the list. Why are a big club and shouldn't be accepting mid table finishes. For how many years should we be happy with these improvements? Are we happy being 8th to 10th 3 years in a row?

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GrayswandireMari Me•
  1. Serve plenty of juice and get rid of all the clowns pretending to be defenders.
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xCharlieScottxLittle bit sharpness niggle•

I would be careful asking for juice with Arteta, considering he's been working with Ped Guardioula

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biggboned•

Don't compromise your system and ideals for misfit "stars".

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Riperonis•

Wasnt this sub crying for ozil to be played a few months ago?

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biggboned•

Fans will always be impulsive and uneducated. They will look at the bench for a saviour. It's Ozil one day, Lacazette the next day. People even started praising Mustafi nowadays because he hasn't made a catastrophic mistake for a few games.

Managers live and die by their ideals. If you can't manage fan expectations and let fans influence your decisions, you're in big trouble as we've seen with Emery.

You set the rules and stick to your plan and hopefully the results will follow. Last thing you want as a manager is compromising your system and fail. You'd rather stick to your guns and live with the consequences of your decisions.

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LanesraLizo•

Managers can also have terrible ideals. It’s not always a matter of bending to the will of fans, sometimes managers are just wrong about their ideals.

Building a system that incorporates the players you have, while remaining true to your overall strategy as a manager is completely possible and the preferred methodology, unless you’re at a team that can completely bankroll you a new team to perfect fit your “ideals.”

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biggboned•

What I mean by ideals doesn't have to be a strict overall strategy. You can be a very successful pragmatist manager who builds a strategy based on the players but this doesn't mean you won't have any rules that you won't compromise.

Regardless of how strict you are with your ideals you can't let fans to influence you. If things aren't working out you have to find other ways to bring fresh ideas to your club. Alex Ferguson used to change his assistant every time he thought the team got a little stale for example. Klopp recently did the same thing and Liverpool's possession football improved massively over one summer.

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Johnny_bubblegum•

He's a squad member and if other squad members aren't performing in his position, it is normal to give him a chance.

If Tierney plays like shit for a month I'll want Kolasinac to play too.

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GrayswandireMari Me•

I still don't see Ozil as some huge problem like everyone else does. He's been hustling and doing his best, I think we've got bigger problems then his individual performances. Who are we playing in his place? Willock, Ceballos, Smith Rowe? Give me a break, none of them are even close to good enough yet. The problem has been confidence and a lack of organization, not Ozil. He'll be gone soon enough, but while he's here he's still our best creative player.

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murrriiilooking for six•

Shhhhh it’s reddit mate, people never admit their fuck ups.

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Josh3783•

Wow.. well said

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oldmonknewphone:10: Dennis Bergkamp•

To crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and to hear the lamentation of their women!

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EldritchWyrd•

Bosnian Conan at LB.

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bugsbunnystew•

clear out the deadwood esp Ozil :)

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OstapBenderBey:30:Nketiah•

"hey mate good to see you again. Been a while since we played together. Oh... And by the way you're cut'

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Claudamania•

So emery cut Ozil from the squad by not even putting him in the team, every game until the hypocritical arsenal fans (on here and afc) was calling that one of the reasons he should be sacked. Ozil was then the messiah that would save us. Now we have gone full circle again. As usual Arsenal fans not actually knowing what they want.

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OstapBenderBey:30:Nketiah•

Yeah I hate us too!

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GrayswandireMari Me•

No one ever thought he would save us, the simple truth is he was our best option and still is, in terms of creativity and his passing. We're hardly in this mess because of Ozil, if you want to blame someone, then blame our executives, they've made some huge mistakes over the past four or five months.

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AfcDB:7: Liam Brady•

Why are you attributing the voice of entire fanbase with an isolated comment on reddit?

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Claudamania•

It was supposed to be attached to or a reply to a comment above about 'first thing arteta should do is get rid of Ozil' . Just look at previous comments on here and aftv and you see that 9/10 people follow the bandwagon of slating players and managers instead of trying to up build them. I actually didn't want Arteta as manager but I'm not going to slate him, I'm going to support him and 'hope', which most of our fans need right now for him to do well. In reality, I don't see us winning many games in December or January.

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YoungDawz•

Playing with urgency no matter the score. Stringing passes together.

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Rockflagandeeeagle•

Don't be shit

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dbsc23•

Score one more than the opposition

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kguner•

Either we turn into an pressing and attacking team that wins by scoring goals. Or we turn into a counter attacking team with an improved defense. I think we need Arteta to mold the current team into his style that he build on with transfers later on.

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GrayswandireMari Me•

We need transfers right now, some of the players aren't good enough, regardless of the system. We don't have one decent ball-playing centerback, one decent aggressive 1v1 defending centerback, and our fullbacks struggle to defend properly. Our midfield is weak, there's no depth, and some of our forwards are lightweight in their link-up play. We need some good signings to strengthen the spine of the team.

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circlesmirk00Over Land And Sea•

We haven’t got the money to even do half of what you’re suggesting

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GrayswandireMari Me•

Yet we were ready to slap down £50 million for Upamecano this past summer transfer window, and after we signed Pepe for £72 million. We've got the cash to sign players, we're just trying to get value from our signings, too many mistakes have already been made, we can't afford to fuck up. We've still got players we need to sell, that will help fund the positions we need filled. And we'll probably sell a few youngsters if the money is good enough.

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WestwardLord:7:Major League Saka•
  1. Win
  2. Don't lose
  3. Don't not win
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indyparmar23•

Hahahahaha top 4 loll. Nah get us top 10 with this squad and get ur players in so we can improve our midfield and defense. Big task for the man.

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CedosgAll Hail StatDNA•

If Arteta took over after Wenger, I would have had higher expectations.

But since he's taking over Emery, my expectations have been lowered.

  1. If he took over Wenger, there would be a push to keep Ramsey on.

  2. The football philosophy is closer to Wenger than Emery, and so little tweaks may be needed instead of a whole squad overhaul.

  3. The team has lost its identity and is now afraid of teams. Compare to before, they are still able to pull something up without fear of backlash/errors. Therefore, it's going to be an uphill battle.

  4. Age. We wasted 18 months of player's peak/development and we are going back to squad one. This is severely underestimated. We have essentially lost the peak and experience of Auba/Ozil/Ramsey (?)/Lacazette/Koscielny/Monreal/Mkhi because we wanted to make an ambitious overhaul of the squad.

  5. As much as I like Arteta to succeed, it's going to be an uphill battle. The squad is too unbalanced and they don't have the confidence to execute on their technique

Here's an oldie: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/62ke3e/ast_78_of_members_want_wenger_to_leave/dfnif3c/

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scytheavatar•

  1. We never stood a chance in keeping Ramsey after the big fat contracts we gave out in Jan of 2018. Our mistake was not doing more to cash in on Ramsey while we could.

  2. Wenger's football philosophy is a dead end, so you were always going to need more than "little tweaks" to modernize the club.

  3. Team has lost its identity and is now afraid of team because Emery failed to modernize the club. Failed to teach us how to press, and how to deal with teams pressing us. It is the top priority of Arteta to do what Emery failed to do.

  4. Most of these players have plateaued and not improved at all for seasons under Wenger. A squad overhaul was always something that is going to be inevitable. Problem is the new players we have signed since 2016/17 created a weaker squad, not a stronger one. There is certainly something rotten in our structure and the people with the power to decide our signings, and Arteta will have to fight these people to have any chance of succeeding. Unfortuntely that is also why Arteta is such a poor choice, does he have the weight to fight Raul and co?

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heff_ay•

Wenger's football philosophy is a dead end

What do you mean by that?

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luks1994•

Right now, stability.

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PMmeSexyLingerie•

Respectable and non lazy footballing. That is all I'm asking for. Not necessarily wins.

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JFKennedy97•

Just looking for improvement and some semblance of an identity forming.

I'd love to win Europa but certainly won't hold arteta to it.

4th is long gone.

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GrayswandireMari Me•

Fourth isn't long gone at all, there's still plenty of football to be played.

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americanadiandrew•

A singular style of football we can all see. It might take a while to perfect but as long as we can see what we are working towards instead of incessant tinkering and tactics changes. I want the players to know what they are expected to do and where they should be on the pitch. Emery confuses the fuck out of them and he confused the fuck out of me.

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[deleted]•

Just get us playing better and fun to watch again. The roster has a ton of holes made worse by a rash of injuries, especially on the back line. I don’t have much in the way if expectations this year in terms of outcomes beyond to get back to playing well and with top effort win or lose.

Next season, assuming we get healthy and make some decent signings, I expect to be back in CL the following season.

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Lomogasm:19: Presence Blud•

Just winning games of football really and if not just get the team to try their best that’s all we can ask for really

If it was a proven manager like Carlo Ancelotti I woulda said ok maybe top 6 and a trophy but since its likely to be Arteta I would just say get the team trying and working hard and maybe install the foundation of your working philosophy

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yura910721•

Get more out of youngsters and senior players(if that even possible).

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ArkGunner:16: Holding•

Defend instantly, passionately, and to a man when the ball is lost

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