What was Cheif O'Brien's rank?

I was watching TNG last night and I saw he had the rank pips of an Ensign. However, in DS9, he has stated several times that he is an enlisted man and a different rank pip is on his collar. If Starfleet has enlisted personnel, why don't they show up more often?

Posted Dec 19, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

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crapusername47•

O’Brien’s rank insignia fluctuate wildly in TNG to the point where it’s best to just write it off as a mistake and leave it.

In DS9 he is a Senior Chief Petty Officer, a high ranking non-commissioned officer. Strictly speaking, that meant that Nog outranks him but in practice no junior officer would ever dare act superior to a CPO because of the vast gulf in experience.

It’s established that most of O’Brien’s engineering staff on the Defiant are non-commissioned engineers as well.

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DataIsMyCopilot•

First couple seasons are always best to take with a grain of salt. By season 4 he was well-established as a CPO. There was a fun bit of dialogue between him and Worf's dad over it :)

SERGEY (to O'Brien): Always good to meet another Chief Petty Officer. Sergey Rozhenko, formerly of the USS Intrepid.

O'BRIEN: Miles Edward O'Brien, sir. Good to meet you.

SERGEY: Don't call me sir. I used to work for a living.

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Jedi_Outcast•

I used to work with a retired CPO and he was always telling stories about how generals would greet him before higher ranking officers. He always had stories to tell.

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ForAThought•

no proper junior officer would ever dare act superior to a CPO. I've seen a few JO do this to some great results.

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Seavey78•

I believe he was a Chief Petty Officer.

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Minovskyy•

It's complicated: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/uniforms1.htm#ranks (scroll down a couple of paragraphs)

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squiggyfm•

He was addressed as "lieutenant" while wearing the rank in the second season, so it depends on how much you want to ignore.

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timkandykaine•

He’s Chief Petty Officer. So he’s lower than an ensign. Not sure why they don’t show more enlisted men but it would be very interesting.

Edit: lol guess some chief petty officers are downvoting

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George_Parr•

Don't ever make the mistake of telling a CPO they're lower than an ensign!

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RDGCompany•

Especially if they've got hash marks up their arm.

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jimmyjohnjohnjohn•

"On a different scale altogether than an ensign" might be a better way of wording it.

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squiggyfm•

IIFC, Roddenberry wanted a future where most (if not all of) the crew were officers because it showed there was more education, or something like that.

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slp033000•

What was Captain Picard's rank?

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GeneralLambaOP•

Captain?

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