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makehay

"Upon seeing the facts and failing to act do we deserve the leaders we have?"

Rap News 6 had this line, and while it's a restatement of an old quote (Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America, said that “in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.”) I think it's a thought that's worth a sincere discussion.

Are we at fault? Do we deserve what we're getting? If we sit at our keyboards and do nothing but bitch online, at what point does the irresponsibility and lack of political engagement by our elders stop being a legitimate excuse? When does all of this become our fault, when do we lose the right to complain and have to accept that our own generation's inaction has become the prime enabler of these frauds and criminals and well-organized gangsters?

Just wanting the thoughts from all of you.

Posted Dec 19, 2010, 8:23 AM UTC

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misinformatorium•

A democracy requires active participation from the public. All citizens are responsible for educating themselves about the issues and candidates before voting. My experience (as a recently naturalised American) has been that many young people don't vote and/or have very little understanding of what is going on in their nation and how this relates to the rest of the world.

We have ample food in this country, we have political stability, most people are relatively safe from harm and we have endless sources of entertainment to help us procrastinate about what we should be doing. We are more to blame for the current state of affairs than any politician exploiting flaws in the democratic process or any corporation paying to get their voice heard. Most people don't know and don't want to know because they're eating, have a place to stay etc. There's no need to change things because we're comfortable enough.

Edit: grammar

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MiasmaticMachine•

It isn't just the young people who don't vote and/or educate themselves properly.

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Let-them-eat-cake•

Are we at fault? Do we deserve what we're getting?

Absolutely.

Tell your friends!!

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DaveBowman•

I know this makes me a big nerd, but I'll just leave this here:

Lieutenant Ezri Dax: I think that the situation with Gowron is a symptom of a bigger problem. The Klingon Empire is dying; and I think it deserves to die.

Lieutenant Ezri Dax: I tend to look at the Empire with a little more skepticism than Curzon and Jadzia did. I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. We're talking about a warrior culture that prides itself on maintaining centuries-old traditions of honor and integrity. But in reality, it's willing to accept corruption at the highest levels.

Lt. Commander Worf: You are overstating your case.

Lieutenant Ezri Dax: Am I? Who was the last leader of the High Council that you respected? Has there even been one? And how many times have you had to cover up the crimes of Klingon leaders because you were told that it was for the good of the Empire? I... I know this sounds harsh, but the truth is, you have been willing to accept a government that you know is corrupt. Gowron's just the latest example. Worf, you are the most honorable and decent man that I've ever met. And if you are willing to tolerate men like Gowron, then what hope is there for the Empire?

(I tried to find a video of this scene but wasn't able to.)

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