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ClockworkRose

Spellslinger VD probably won't feel great

Discussion :twoc:

I've been doing some testing to see if it would work out as a league started. It certainly has the damage if everything was smooth.

It seems that if you trigger any corpse creation spell and any corpse consuming spell simultaneously, the corpse consuming spell fails. This happens regardless of socket order and item placement of the spells.

Specifically this means a spellslinger desecrate VD setup will require two triggers to start putting out VD projectiles. That's not the end of the world, but it really hurts if you put a movement ability into the mix, or move often.

Every time you move (or target a new location without corpses, you will have to wait the full 2 trigger time to get any damage / bodyswap out. That's close to a second of wait time, which will feel pretty bad, and has a chance to get you killed.

Disclaimer: This is based on research with cwdt, which was the only way I could find to trigger spells simultaneously. It may work different from spellslinger.

Posted Mar 4, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

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siglug3•

That's exactly how it worked with poets pens and it was super popular

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psychomap•

Tbf that was about twice as fast as Spellslinger is going to be.

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Prometheus1151•

why not both? PP with a separate spellslinger setup

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whitw0rth123•

2 reasons:

  • you wont have enough links without gimping utility and defences
  • Wanslinger scales with wand damage, so getting a good wand should be equal to 2 more links (assuming 100% effectivness scaling and a godly wand)
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siglug3•

We don't know what the spell slinger cd is at level 20

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psychomap•

The base cd is twice as long as the original PP one, and it's not suddenly going to get 10% icrs per level.

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dicedragon•

it only needs to get 4% a level. Then with belt CDR you have old PP. or just under since it would be 96%

But yes, it most likely wont be "game shatteringly broken" but it will be good enough for sure.

VD is fundamentally broken it feels like, it just does so much damage with so little.

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MyNameIsSalo•

That’s how it works right now yes. And it’s a very fun playstyle.

You wouldn’t spellsling VD anyway because that’ll kill your entire mana pool. You spellsling desecrate - cascade and have VD in poets pens or CoC setup. Ideally poets pens and you then dual wield them with either movement skill or unearth in the second one.

You can’t rely on spellsling anyway becuase the cooldown is far too big. Like CoC and pens are 150ms and spellsling is 500ms (which does get lower with levels but we don’t know how much). Even if it goes to 300ms, that’s still half as many procs. You’re still going to look for alternate methods of casting VD otherwise you’d have fuck all damage

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Ragoz•

Just use a poet's pen with unearth bodyswap greater projectiles, a 6L VD with spellslinger, and some gloves with attack speed and your attack skill. No creation conflicts and a maximum damage VD.

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Kaelran•

Nah the damage is lower than normal PP.

I guess you can do a decent single wield PP.

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Ragoz•

Maybe I'm missing something but how would it be possible for a VD with 5 supports to have less damage than a VD with 2 supports?

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MyNameIsSalo•

Proc rate

Spell slinger is 500ms

Poets pens is 150ms

You don’t use spell slinger for damage.

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Ragoz•

There is a ball limit cap on VD. It might end up being better to maximize the individual ball damage.

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Sector47•

We don't know lvl 20 spell slinger cool down yet. We know it's better than .5 as ggg said it decreases with gem lvl and it starts at .5

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Kaelran•

It has 4 supports not 5, Spellslinger takes up a gem slot.

Poet's pen gives +3 gem levels (+4 at level 100) which is like 33-35% more damage.

So it's more like 2 supports * 1.33 vs 4 supports. Let's say the 2 extra are 45% each.

That means 2.66 vs 4.2

Then you have to consider cast speed. I've seen a lot of guesses go with spellslinger being 0.4 seconds at 20 down from 0.5 so I went with 2.4 procs per second, vs the 6.6 of PP.

That puts you at 17.56 vs 10.5, so dual wield PP is a lot more damage.

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Ragoz•

Spellslinger adds wand damage to the spell. It isn't 0 damage.

The poet's pen additional levels is pretty much an empower support agreed.

The duel-wield is irrelevant or in favor of VD in the 6L since there is no 2x VD poet pen builds. It would never be the case that you would have that but it be possible to have a pen with additional spells while VD is 6L.

Answered in another reply but because of the ball limit to VD it is entirely possible attacking too fast isn't as beneficial as additional damage if you are reaching that limit.

It really is all a guess until we see the actual spellslinger gem.

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wangofjenus•

Better to trigger deseceate/cascade with spellslinger

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[deleted]•

you can't use cascade on trigger skills

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virrre•

Changes 3.6.2

  • Spell Cascade Support can now support Triggered Spells.
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[deleted]•

O_O that seems pretty op...i know what i'm playing

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