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Approach Anxiety is a symptom of EXTREME selfishness and douchebaggery (KINDA LONG)

I suffered from extreme AA the entire first year I was sarging, and it took this epiphany for me to finally break out and get Anti-Approach Anxiety. Nowadays I get worried that if I DON'T approach a hot girl, some other PUA is gonna be nailing her to the kitchen counter on Valentine's Day- ain't gonna happen, guys!

Right now, if you're suffering from AA, your basic frame is almost certainly something like this: "She's hot and gets hit on all the time, and I'll come off as awkward and the conversation would die off in 20 seconds and it's safer to just not approach". Even if you don't actually think this to yourself every time, this type of basic attitude is the source of AA. So listen up:

Hot girls do get hit on all the time. 99/100, however, it is an awkward experience initiated by some chode with no game, making boring conversation, and not adding any excitement or value to her life at all. This is where shit tests and bitch shields come from (I know, I know, this is hardly groundbreaking stuff- hear me out).

SO. First off it's important to understand that WOMEN DO NOT MIND PEOPLE TALKING TO THEM. Seriously, women talk 100 times more than guys do. Listen to them gabbering right now. Talking is something all women love to do. Talking is easy. SO LISTEN UP: EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SUPER BORING CONVERSATION, THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT YOU WILL COME ACROSS LIKE A NORMAL GUY. Think about that. Normal guys are boring and awkward around hot women. So even if you crash and burn and are boring and awkward, YOU'RE NORMAL, CONGRATULATIONS. That's the WORST case scenario! Wrap your head around this concept, care for it, feed it, nurture it, ponder it and all of it's implications. You can do NO worse than normal. It's like someone giving you a test and saying, "Oh by the way, the absolute lowest score possible is a C. You literally cannot, under any circumstances (other than burning the building down or slapping the teacher in the face with your dick) FAIL this test." There will be NO pressure and NO anxiety once you actually, properly I N C E P T this idea into your consciousness. You're gonna like the way you approach and open; I guarantee it.

Second, when you walk past a hot girl without talking to her, you are being a selfish, unchivalrous douchebag because you are placing your own fears and wants above her needs. Women NEED you to improve their lives. They are DESPERATE for something exciting to happen. They silently BEG you every day to start a conversation and drop an atomic love bomb into their world. I'm not even kidding, ask ANY girl you know. Better yet, ask every girl you DON'T know. If you're trying to kick AA, go up to a hot chick tomorrow and just ask her, "So when I see a cute girl out and about, I should absolutely go talk to her right? Girls all silently hope for a fun guy to spontaneously start talking to them, right?" If someone produces a recording of them asking a stranger this question and the answer is anything other than "YES", I will PayPal that individual $100 dollars, provided that you keep the conversation going after that question and close the set. No shit.

Alright, I'm rambling here, and I'll probably come back and edit this in the morning to make it understandable, but for now, just remember:

  1. Normal guys are boring and slightly awkward when talking to hot chicks, ergo...
  2. Even if you are totally boring and awkward, the worst you can be is normal.
  3. If you open girls and are even slightly interesting and fun, you will get their number and you will fuck real live female women.
  4. NOT opening a girl means you are a selfish dick who wants to retain all the awesomeness in your life for just yourself.
  5. All women want to be opened.
  6. For the love of GOD go outside and talk to girls.

(Like I said earlier, nothing too groundbreaking, but this has been bouncing around in my head for a while and it's been like 2 hours since we had a thread on approach anxiety.)

Posted Feb 7, 2011, 7:03 AM UTC

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TofuTofu•

I love the way you reframed the entire idea of approaching women. This is golden. I'm adding to the sidebar.

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[deleted]•

Seddit immortality is mine at last.

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taraka•

We should add more stuff to the sidebar, a lot of stuff gets missed.

Though as we add more, we should have a "clean up" and consolidation attempt.

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TofuTofu•

The problem is people who see a link to seddit and ask a basic question that has been answered a hundred times in the material in the sidebar. We're trying to discourage that behavior and instead encourage people to STUDY and TEST all the good tips and info that already exist on seddit before asking basic questions.

Also we want to encourage people to post more tips and field-tested ideas, like OP's excellent post on how to reframe AA.

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the-breeze•

The good advise in this place tends to come as answers to questions from newcomers. Now there's no one asking questions, so there are fewer and fewer quality posts made.

At what point do we shut the place down and put up a blog instead?

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[deleted]•

You're gonna like the way you approach and open; I guarantee it.

I haven't been to the US in 4 years but I stil read this in the Men's Warehouse man voice. :)

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RaiseYourGlass•

LMFAO so did I!

damn commercials on TBS!

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B-Rabbit•

I'm ashamed of myself. I should definitely share some awesomeness with the girls.

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taraka•

"So when I see a cute girl out and about, I should absolutely go talk to her right? Girls all silently hope for a fun guy to spontaneously start talking to them, right?"..."YES", I will PayPal that individual $100 dollars,

Holy crap, I'm so tempted to ask this now...What do you guys think the result of approaching with this question will be?

Also, great post, keep them coming seddit. :)

AA is a really weird thing. I think its something that is ingrained in a busy metropolitan society. We see so many people everyday, that we never care to interact with them..even more..we start being scared and some women may despise talking with strangers.

I think its a social inhibition telling you to, "TURN THE OTHER WAY, DON'T GO TALK WITH A STRANGER" telling you this..

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My prediction: The target will say something like "Totally! Just talk to her and be yourself!" which is chick-speak for "Totally! Just talk to her and be fun, interesting, exciting, and not boring!"

Then transition by saying, "See, I already knew that, I was just making sure YOU knew that before I started flirting with you" with a HUGE cheeky grin. SHE. WILL. LAUGH. Give her a little one-armed side hug, then shove her away while saying "Psh, so what's the coolest thing about you? If we have something in common we should totally start a club".

You, with a logical guy-brain, may be scrambling to find some sort of meaning behind shoving her away from you whilst simultaneously saying something ridiculous about starting clubs. That is because you are not a girl. While she may also be trying to understand what you meant with that little shove, on a sub-concious level she is already attracted to you for reasons she doesn't understand. It is because that shove communicates a message of "I am different, confident, and I am acting in mysterious ways that force you to think about our conversation and analyze it instead of turning on auto-pilot and answering boring questions and having uninspiring discussions like you do with normal guys. You desperately want to fuck me, you just don't know it yet."

She'll probably say something lame, or "I don't know...haha". If she says something legitimately funny or creative, DING DING DING we have a winner!

Continue on in like manner, then make sweet, sweet love to her that night.

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TofuTofu•

The Physical Push-Pull (PPP) works, guys! Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about.

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GeoffreyDaGiraffe•

Having a hard time visualizing this...

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RaiseYourGlass•

By pulling her towards you, and pushing her away, it confuses her.

At work so i can't get into it, but there's a lot of content about this already on here. It's 'physical' in that you litterally pull her, then push her away. A non-physical one would be where you pull her in with conversation or questions or something, and then discard her with active disinterest.

Somebody else can probably explain better...

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tejmin•

A seed has been planted.

Thank you.

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Daman09•

But... But... But what if you are an ugly midget?

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pickup_startist•

Halflings have high charisma. Go for it.

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tejmin•

Small-man complex^2

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VectorBoy•

And endurance. You'd be doing her a favor ;)

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RaiseYourGlass•

Ok so i loved this all so much i decided to try it on my walk home from work. I made sure to take good and busy routes, and saw a few quite beautiful women.

One problem. They were all walking towards me. How the heck do you approach someone walking towards you? I was always told that approaching head-on like that is really aggressive and such, and that it's a definite no-no. How do you pull that off when they're clearly going one way, and you're clearly going the other?

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Wait til you pass her, then tap her on the shoulder and say, "Excuse me". Then talk.

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TheOuts1der•

"Psh, so what's the coolest thing about you? If we have something in common we should totally start a club"."

That is magnificent. Dammit...I wish I'd read this about two days ago.

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RaiseYourGlass•

wth do you do if she looks you up and down and says 'no'

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takfam•

The same thing you do with every negative response, Pinky: Stretch it to the absurd. "Got it. You want a boring, depressed guy to spontaneously talk to you. I'll give your number to my roommate. His favorite channel is TV static and he likes plain porridge. I can TOTALLY hook you up."

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Ghili•

Chaaaamp.

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KDallas_Multipass•

Move on like you couldn't care less?

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taraka•

You've read my mind on what sort of reply I wanted to this. Awesome!

She'll probably say something lame, or "I don't know...haha"

What do you do if this happens? Eject?

if she says something legitimately funny or creative, DING DING DING we have a winner!

Try to F close?

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RaiseYourGlass•

Try to F close?

Probably not on the spot, as there are people around and you can get in trouble for public indecency, but at some point, yes. always, yes.

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rotund•

AA is a really weird thing. I think its something that is ingrained in a busy metropolitan society. We see so many people everyday, that we never care to interact with them..even more..we start being scared and some women may despise talking with strangers. I think its a social inhibition telling you to, "TURN THE OTHER WAY, DON'T GO TALK WITH A STRANGER" telling you this..

I find a lot of the theories about where our hang ups with rejection and AA come from interesting. It's interesting to think that everything in your head is just an implanted evolutionary response, that hasn't died off yet. Sort of like appendicitis.

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Alluvium•

YOU ARE NOT A UNIQUE SNOW FLAKE

Also I lol'd at "and you will fuck real live female women."

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HeyCrabman•

other than burning the building down or slapping the teacher in the face with your dick

I probably need to work on that.

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I didn't use to have AA. The only fear I have is appearing normal :O

Thanks, now I can never talk to a woman again...

Alright just kidding, good read!

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rotund•

Awesome post! I like the idea and will try to burn it into my brain the next time I'm out.

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Mouthpiece•

They silently BEG you every day to start a conversation and drop an atomic love bomb into their world.

I love this frame.

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chumpta•

THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT YOU WILL COME ACROSS LIKE A NORMAL GUY. Think about that. Normal guys are boring and awkward around hot women. So even if you crash and burn and are boring and awkward, YOU'RE NORMAL, CONGRATULATIONS.

i have never, ever, ever thought of it this way. you start reading these books and you think you're supposed to be better than normal.

i feel relieved lol

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[deleted]•

Exactly! No matter how "badly" you "crash and burn", from her point of view you're just a normal guy. You literally CANNOT FAIL.

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Jrix•

I've had this attitude about people around me in general for several years.

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nivar•

good re-framing, thanks for the insight.

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[deleted]•

Great post, it's good to see that I'm not the only ex-mormon getting laid.

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jamesbond664•

good post, but also remember beyond loving talking, girls also love ego boosts.

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GhostSonata•

I agree with most but no.4 is just plain silly. We all have a right to interact with whomever we choose and we owe nobody anything. There is nothing selfish about choosing not to engage someone, as much as I appreciate you are trying to help people overcome their mental block, let's not rewrite the book on free-association amongst people at the same time.

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[deleted]•

Ha I don't mean that literally, just like I don't literally believe every single woman I meet immediately wants my cock. But I ACT like these are true, because acting that way is good game

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side2•

The reprogramming has begun...

Progress: ~50%

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herpasaurus•

I'm stuck at 23%. Seed plz?

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[deleted]•

This reminds me of what Louis CK said about nervous callers to the Opie & Anthony show. "It's not like you're walking a high wire. There's no danger here. You're just expressing yourself, communicating. There's literally no reward or punishment for doing poorly." Except, as OP has stated, there IS a reward for doing poorly, and no punishment!

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[deleted]•

Hard core true believers are impossible. Average girls are sluttier than usual.

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RP-on-AF1•

My friend in the Air Force is stationed there. He says they're easy, like Catholic-school girls.

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RP-on-AF1•

Was. Riding the Post-9/11 GI Bill now.

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BaldyBalls•

You're gonna like the way you approach and open; I guarantee it.

Do you work for Men's Warehouse?

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RexOfVicis•

"For the love of GOD go outside and talk to girls." LMAO you killed it right here!

The whole piece is very good. Keep it up.

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