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sometimesitrip

Mohammed was a pedophile and a barbaric warlord.

Q. What do you call a Muslim with a slice of ham on his head?

A. Hamed.

Q. What about a Muslim with 2 slices of ham on his head?

A. Mohammed.

Last week, a Muslim woman was seen shoplifting. She was caught on camera. Police are looking for a woman with dark eyes.

Q. How do you separate a Muslim man from a Muslim boy?

A. With a crowbar.

A Muslim woman was walking past this building site in Mecca when a group of Muslim builders shouted, "Show us your face."

An advertisement in a local UK paper: "4 Talibans required as mudflaps. Must be flexible and willing to travel."

Q. How do you save a drowning Jihadist?

A. You don't know? **GOOD! **

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Posted Mar 5, 2011, 6:34 PM UTC

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[deleted]•

Haha.

I like the way r/atheism is always eager to defend Muslims but have no qualms about trashing Christians all the time. Aren't they equally bad? You could easily change the joke about the Muslim man and boy to one about Catholics and rake in the upvotes.

Or maybe it's reddit as a whole. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen FUCK ISRAEL here. Haven't spotted a single FUCK PALESTINE. Why is that?

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PornoWizard•

These "jokes" have nothing to do with Islam. Which of those jokes actual pokes fun at the religion or faith? The jokes only seem to be making fun of a stereotype of what a Muslim is. The jokes are, as others have said, just a form of racism. That kind of attitude also becomes quite problematic as it is direct towards a minority, at least here in the US.

These types of posts are also non-productive to this subreddit. This reddit is not about bashing theism, it's about discussing atheism. Sure, the latter occurs often enough but it is not something that belongs here. At times it leads to a decent discussion but there is not reason that it could not have started some other way. The reason Christianity is at the forefront is because people seek a form of release where they can rant about their old religion or the religion that surrounds them, and in the case of the US that is Christianity. Another point to make is that because the population here is mostly from a Chrisitan background they have no significant knowledge of the Muslim faith, I have no idea what is in the Quran or who the key theologians of Islam are.

If this is meant to make some point on this subreddit being too antagonistic towards Christanity why not actually post something about Islam? Your post has nothing to do with Islam, only through some racist stereotype does anyone draw an association.

Talk about the divine claims made by Mohammed, talk about the miracle claims of the Quran, talk about is there is a link between Islam and the oppression of women or not. Discuss the Sunni and Shia divide, or Islamic Law, or the effect the large Muslim population will have on the world in the next decade. Talk about Islam, don't make shitty jokes about some stereotype of what a Muslim is. Replace "Muslim" with Arab in your jokes, their meaning stays the same.

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spiritusmundi1De-Facto Atheist•

wow, another islamiphobic fucktard spewing ignorance and hate, how original.

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exaltedbladder•

It was an "experiment"

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Modus_Pwninz•

This is retarded and unfunny.

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Kwith•

Its one thing to take an intellectual stance on a subject and say "I don't accept your beliefs because you fail to provide convincing evidence" and another to be just downright rude and hateful.

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-Borfo-•

atheism != racism. fuck off.

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sometimesitripOP•

Actually this isn't racism by any definition. Call it bigoted, or call it humor, but I call it a response to shit like this. It's interesting to hear you respond this way. If I were telling Jesus jokes would you feel the same way?

I didn't see you defending Christianity in this thread (by the way if you're looking for racism check out the posts about gingers near the top), or in this one, or in this one.

Get my point? Why does r/atheism seem to be defending Islam? I always said that the reason we mostly discuss Christianity here is due to geographic location, but do you really feel like Islam should be set aside from ridicule? BTW (this is a lot like saying "oh I can't be racist because I have a black friend) I grew up with a muslim father.

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[deleted]•

In my case, because I am so far removed from islamic culture I can't tell what is ethnic jokes and what is religious jokes.

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pozhaluista•

I can't tell what is ethnic jokes and what is religious jokes.

Easy. Islam = a religion

In that religion are Asians, Africans, Europeans, Canadians.. you name it.

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pozhaluista•

Amen... errr.. I mean yes! Thanks for the experiment brother!

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-Borfo-•

I suspect it is racism. Strictly speaking, you can try to claim that the words you used reference only religion, but I suspect you are a racist nonetheless. You are certainly a bigot, and while you would likely claim that your bigotry is fully justified because it is based on religion, I suspect that you would not hold the same attitude towards a white christian as you would towards a brown muslim.

In my opinion, in order to legitimately claim that you are motivated only by religion and not by race, you should treat them all equally, as they are all equally deserving of ridicule. Again, I suspect you are motivated by race and ethnic differences at least as much as you are motivated by religion.

You are advocating killing muslim people by doing nothing while they drown - you'll claim you're only advocating killing "jihadists", who you will define as being violent, bent on killing infidels, etc. But that's not what "jihadist" means. You're advocating allowing any muslim who's involved in a jihad as that is defined in islam, ie: a personal spiritual struggle. That's not particularly funny, and certainly is not constructive.

You're suggesting that all muslims are pedophiles, which is a ridiculous claim. You also seem to think that some people on the planet are suitable for use as "mudflaps". These are the sort of positions that racists take.

Whether I happen to have taken a similar position in any other thread is irrelevant. The internet is full of racist idiots like yourself, and nobody has the time to take an adverse position to every dumbass posting on the internet.

This is not a defence of islam. This is calling you out for being a racist, unconstructive, bigoted moron with a shitty sense of humour.

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[deleted]•

But making fun of christians in the deep south is perfectly okay, right

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-Borfo-•

I don't think suggesting that all christians should all die is perfectly ok. I don't think suggesting that they all are pedophiles is reasonable.

Religion can and should be ridiculed. But racism passing itself off as "good healthy ridicule of religion" is still racism. Also, "Q. What do you call a Muslim with a slice of ham on his head? A. Hamed." is a fucking stupid joke.

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sometimesitripOP•

All religions should re ridiculed and none should be left out. This thread is about Muslim jokes. The fact that you are responding the way you did builds evidence on my theory that r/atheism has become soft towards Islam. Every day there are rage comics and threads about how stupid Christians are and the jokes and ridicule does not stop flowing. Yet somehow, for some reason Islam is sacred? Fucking shenanigans.

I've been hanging out in r/atheism for about two years and the place never used to be this way. I post the first set of jokes I found from a quick Google and it turns out that I am racist?

Racism implies that I"[Believe] that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[Wikipedia- Racism]". I think you need to rethink how you define race, ethnicity, and religion.

In my opinion, in order to legitimately claim that you are motivated only by religion and not by race, you should treat them all equally, as they are all equally deserving of ridicule.

You've got it! This is precisely the point I wanted to make, although to a different audience. There was a post on the front page of r/circlejerk today poking fun at what I thought was a mistaken belief (that r/atheism is fine with Christian bashing but won't ridicule Islam). I hold that all religions are as equally false. "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." Instead, use ridicule and humor. This is perhaps a great way to make a person rethink the position that they have. Maybe they never thought to question it before. At any rate, calling Mary a slut who lied to get out of the punishment for adultery is one such method.

You are advocating killing muslim people by doing nothing while they drown - you'll claim you're only advocating killing "jihadists", who you will define as being violent, bent on killing infidels, etc.

And I suppose joking about eating babies makes me a cannibal? You do realize that those jokes aren't my own words? At this point I am not sure if troll. I can't tell if the warning sign was your insisting I am a racist because of religious jokes (race=! religion) or your verbose analysis of them.

This is not a defence of islam, this is calling you out for being a racist, unconstructive, bigoted moron with a shitty sense of humour.

You, sir, are and idiot. While we're throwing ad-hominem attacks at each other, I might as well note your atrocious spelling.

I am an Arab myself, you silly goose.

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madcowsteak•

I hold that all religions are as equally false. "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." Instead, use ridicule and humor. This is perhaps a great way to make a person rethink the position that they have. Maybe they never thought to question it before. At any rate, calling Mary a slut who lied to get out of the punishment for adultery is one such method.

But these jokes aren't ridicule of the religion. The example of Mary works because it's attacking one of the fundamental aspects of the religion as ridiculous. Jokes about common Muslim names do none of that and come across as bigoted regardless of intent.

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-Borfo-•

You're a lot dumber than you think you are, despite the fact that you are aware that the term "ad-hominem" exists. In any event, the jokes you posted are not funny, and the site you linked is racist even if you are not.

I'm Canadian. We spell some stuff differently here.

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Kaluthir•

u mad bro

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sometimesitripOP•

I'll ignore your ad-hominem for now and get to this part:

claiming that its only fair to hate everyone equally is just ridiculous

This fella says it better than I can:

The real gist of it is that we can’t just agree to disagree anymore. One side of the argument is right and the other side of the argument is dangerously fucking nuts. Don’t just stand there when a faithbased vote steps on your rights. Please reconsider your prepubescent flirt with “spirituality”—very probably there really isn’t much more “between heaven and earth” than you think. And YOU—”tolerant liberal”—your idea of tolerance isn’t helping anyone. Respecting completely irrational faith-based ideas in the name of live and let live will not be reciprocated. You only help perpetuate the problem. So take a deep breath and grow some brass ones. If Maher can do it, so can you.

You see, I'm not hating on anyone. I'm making jokes. I'm ridiculing religion. Maybe once you see how pathetically silly it is to believe in these fairy tales you will come to and stop wasting your life away in fear. Reason isn't going to work on you because you didn't use reason to form your beliefs. So ridicule is the next best weapon.

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-Borfo-•

You're misinterpreting that quote. "Ridicule" in that context doesn't mean just making stupid kindergarten level jokes about people who adhere to a certain religion. It's being used to mean something a lot closer to "intelligent and considered criticism of religious beliefs" than to "Q. What do you call a Muslim with a slice of ham on his head? A. Hamed."

The person you're quoting is saying that the idea that you're not allowed to critique or analyze the legitimacy of the religious beliefs of others is not constructive and should not be followed.

Certainly, criticize the position that "faith" is enough justification to adopt any belief, etc. But when you repost dumbass shit like "Q. What do you call a Muslim with a slice of ham on his head? A. Hamed.", that is not the sort of constructive ridicule that the person you're quoting is referring to. That is just being a fucking dumbass.

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