Hey, Lancaster shippers. Got a minute?

FAN FICTION

Jumping right in, I'm brainstorming a fic I've recently started, trying out different twists. But I'm having some difficulty wrapping my mind around an idea; what would the tipping point be for Jaune to fall for Ruby romantically?

Yes, that does sound simple, but I don't mean Ruby's qualities in general. She's a flat character, they don't really change. If that's all it took for Jaune to fall for her, then it would have happened a long time ago. This plot point needs to develop more recently on the fic timescale. I know his physical attraction would likely change over the years, but it's too shallow for a meaningful plot point. And their lack of personal friction/conflict works against them. The story is set with the canon story as the backdrop. So I'm sort of stuck in working out a believable catalyst towards the romantic.

So instead of trawling through Lancaster fics for ideas, I'm hoping to talk directly to the source. So Lancasters, what would be an inciting incident that shifts Jaune's perspective on Ruby?

Edit: Just to be more clear on the timeline - story is set after the current Atlas Arc, and conflict in Vacuo. If that helps.

Posted Aug 23, 2020, 10:29 PM UTC · edited

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GladiusNocturnoAll Grimm are naked. Think about it.•

Listen, for what I've seen, you understand romance better than I do. But, off the top of my head I would say you can work around their hug in volume 6. Not necessarily using the scene per say, but sort of having Jaune realizing Ruby is more special to him than he thinks by having them split for a while in a dangerous situation. You can also work around her inspiring him to be better like she did in volume 1 and volume 4.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Honestly, I struggle with male POVs when it comes to romance. I'd love to say we all approach romantic attraction in familiar ways, but there are differences. Best I can do is research different perspectives.

Hmm, something like the Ruby being in danger and then the intense relief when he finds out she's okay could work. I forgot to consider protective instincts. Thanks! I'll add it to the list!

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GladiusNocturnoAll Grimm are naked. Think about it.•

That is if you want a clearer and intense trigger. You can be overwhelmed by emotions easily in situations of danger. The degree of intensity of the reaction is what would determine how much love is behind them. For instance, the way Jaune reacted to Weiss being impaled showed emotional intensity, but he saw her as a friend at the time, still, the event showed that he still loves her even in a platonic way. If you want to make it explicitly romantic, dial up the intensity of the reaction.

Notice as well that I didn't say "put Ruby in mortal danger", I used the V6 hug because eventhough Ruby wasn't particularly hurt or anything, Jaune spent a day away from her and the uncertainty and worry gave him an intense response when he saw her well. You can get such reactions without falling in tropes like the "person in mortal perril" like the Weiss scene.

This is just an option of course. A catalyst to knowing you have feelings for someone can be as simple spending a joyous moment with them and not being able to stop thinking about a person. What's the trigger there? Depends on what happened before and during the event. Of course that's a more subtle approach and can be a bit hazy.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Yep, sudden danger seems to be the go to, going by the thread consensus. Separating from Jaune's typical reaction is the trick - he would react the same way to all his friends, like he does when Weiss is stabbed. More so if he has a hand in the danger, and in this fic he is part of the threat.

But yeah "mortal danger" is somewhat cliche. Just injuring Ruby is too easy, even if I have Jaune be the one to hurt her. I want to avoid that if I can help it. Intense relief would be more inline with what I want.

What's the trigger there?

I'm floating ideas on how Jaune shakes off what's effectively a geas placed on him. I thought of three ways to go about it:

  1. A constant reminder of who he was.
  2. An intense desire that overpowers his enforced one.
  3. Death or serious injury.

For the first I was playing with either a friend's repeated attempts to reach Jaune (say Ren), or an unexpected source pulls Jaune out of it, which would be Emerald. The second one is the subject of this thread. His realization of love for Ruby is what smashes through the hold on him. It doesn't necessarily need to be Ruby, but she fits the best considering history. And the third option is well, too easy and not ideal. It is tidy, could add a ton of motivation to Ruby, but it's almost a reverse fridging.

So it's kind of a toss up between 1 & 2. A slow peeling back of the restraints on his mind, or a sudden snapping of them instead.

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GladiusNocturnoAll Grimm are naked. Think about it.•

It sounds like a really good concept, I find it really interesting.

Both of those scenarios are preferable to the third one like you said, and I would argue that neither excludes a romantic or platonic element so you have plenty of leeway.

For instance, option 1 works well with Ren, but if Jaune is meant to have feelings for Ruby, her being the one who constantly reminds him about who he is would make sense as she would be the one who could get through him the best.

Option 2 works well with intense emotions towards friends and family. If you could use one of his sisters it would work but Jaune also sees Ren and Nora as family, them being in danger would trigger an intense emotional response as well.

I like the concept you seem to be looking for, would like to see your take on it.

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DragonlordSyed578•

frankly, the best moments in fiction were friends become lovers is when things just click in the right way simply put Ruby and Jaune start seeing each other romantically but it's and not as apparent to their of them until one thinks about

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Nerdorama0924/7 pride•

I don't go here, but isn't the whole appeal of Lancaster their easy camaraderie and inherent understanding of two awkward nerds thrust into positions of leadership gradually realizing that their friendly rapport is not, in fact, platonic? You don't necessarily need a Big Dramatic Shift to fall in love with your best friend.

Alternatively, severely injure one of them. Jaune if you don't want to be a hack.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Yes, slow burn romance is comfortably easy for Lancaster. But that's not what I'm after. It needs to be like a ton of bricks landing on Jaune for the possible plot point to work. I will refer to their past, but I'm looking for a catalyst for a snap realization.

I did consider Ruby being hurt, but put it aside - it is hacky, lol. Switching it around puts the onus on Ruby, and Jaune realizing he's in love with her because she's helping him is not quite satisfying. Of course she's helping; she's Ruby. Still, could be tweaked into something so adding it to the list! Thanks!

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Nerdorama0924/7 pride•

Yeah and it occurred to me after saying that that White Knight probably has a patent on "injured girl falls in love with healer guy".

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Whiteknight has a patent on a few bad tropes, lol. But yeah, would like to lean away from fridging moments.

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xande010Make it or Blake it•

(I'm gonna edit this post and say that I just loved my third option)

I'm not really a Lancaster shipper, but...

Like, this is kind of a difficult question to answer. It really depends on the characterizations for your characters. Like, for instance:

What would Ruby do after the conflict ends? This is not Ruby leader anymore, this is just Ruby. Relationships and interactions would change. Jaune, alongside pretty much everyone else in the group right now might see Ruby as an inspiring person, but what would he see in her after the conflict ends?

How does Ruby feel about being put on a pedestal as an inspiring figure? As a paragon? Would she feel isolated from her peers like Pyrrha?

This kind of situation is possible, wouldn't be out of character, would be convincing, but I don't know if that's the characterization you chose for her character. You could have chosen something else that is also plausible.

There are so many options here aside from "Ruby gets hurt and Jaune has an epiphany"

Like:

  1. The one above, in which Ruby as a leader doesn't act the same way as Ruby the person. So, she opens up to Jaune, and him being a goodboi helps her. This snowballs into him falling in love, or noticing how he is much more comfortable around her than around anyone else. That he just likes spending time with her, outside of the "Hey, this is dangerous and people might die" situation, but rather on the "hey, let's just watch a movie and be stupid together".
  2. You could play on the desires and motivations of the characters. Ruby will most likely still want to continue her life as a huntress, going from dangerous job to dangerous job. You don't need to have her get hurt in order for Jaune to notice he cares. Just her coming back safe is enough.
  3. Once the dust of conflict settles, characters tend to see things they couldn't before. They become smarter. They reflect on their lives, they plan for the future. You could simply have them talk about that kind of thing. A "What will you do once this is over?" conversation, in which Jaune notices he doesn't want it to be over with Ruby.

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EDIT2: And, ah, I see. When I saw your "after Atlas, Vacuo", I simply assumed "after Salem". Thought this was a post canon situation.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

What would Ruby do after the conflict ends?

It's more about Jaune, tbh. What comes after is fairly easily to hammer out. It's how to heat up the conflict I'm working on.

  1. Jaune as the confidant is more slow burn set-up, and doesn't quite work in the story setting. It's a good idea though.
  2. I think Jaune would accept that risk, since he accepts it for himself. If they had different professions, then sure it could work.
  3. That's a nice idea; "I don't want this to end." - I've actually used it before, lol. It's definitely an after the conflict thing, as you point out. The moment I need has to be in the thick of it.

And, ah, I see. When I saw your "after Atlas, Vacuo", I simply assumed "after Salem". Thought this was a post canon situation.

Salem is still a threat, but they've won a reprieve. Basically they've brought a few years, and the events are set in it. I haven't decided how much time has passed, but Ruby is roughly 19-20 to give you an idea.

Thanks!

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hollowtiger21Please appreciate the crew.•

Sudden injury or disappearance can obviously make someone realize subconscious feelings or want to appreciate what they have and take that step before its too late. But for the sake of being different, perhaps a change in perception.

Jaune seeing Ruby is a different light, and being introduced to a new side to her might garner a sort of reaction to push beyond friendship.

Point being that perception can influence feelings. An encounter in an unfamiliar situation could make Jaune interested in Ruby as a woman, or seeing Ruby interact w/ kids might show him a glimpse at Ruby as a mother. Maybe during the time traveling together and seeing a more vulnerable Ruby might make Jaune's feelings towards Ruby develop. Maybe Ruby herself making her romantic feelings toward him known, can inform Jaune of a side of Ruby he had never considered that existed. Which would prompt him to examine how he feels about Ruby, and how this "new" side of her changes their relationship. Maybe the larger group being separated and Jaune having to step until the position Ruby would usually fill. Being responsible not just for his own team, but much more. Current Jaune having matured and grown both as a person & huntsman, getting to be in the "hero" role he used to aspire to, realizing the weight of the reality. Coming both to a greater appreciation of Ruby & an even deeper desire to support her, not because they're friends, but because he loves her.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Jaune definitely does see a different side of Ruby, wondering if I can use it like that?

In the story, he has reached his goal in life - he's a hero. This is actually being used against him, and Ruby is effectively a hurdle on his continuing path. In the beginning, he's exposed to a side a Ruby he never expected, maybe I could use this plot point in the way you suggested. Sort of kill two birds with one stone? Given me a lot to think about, I'll add it to the list! Thanks!

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NinoyiyaSwabbing the deck of the HMS Lancaster•

Well if we're talking about an early RWBY timeline plot point, then expanding upon Jaune and Ruby's talk during the Jaundice arc (ha!) might be a good tipping point for Jaune for seeing Ruby in a more romantic light.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

I should have been more clear on the timeline in the post; it's set after the current Atlas Arc. I'll add that detail in.

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NinoyiyaSwabbing the deck of the HMS Lancaster•

In that case perhaps the best way for Jaune to start seeing Ruby more romantically would be for her to be in peril, whether that be by Cinder, Neo or Salem's hand. Since he's the party's white mage I can see him either helping her during it or dealing with the aftermath.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Ruby being in danger does seem to the common theme of suggestions so far.

Hmm, now would Jaune help her because he's Jaune, or because it's Ruby? I think he would jump to help anyone in any circumstance, why would Ruby be different? Something I need to think about.

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ChonextrostCinder has died several times how is she still alive•

Ruby: chuckles I’m in danger

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remicas2Ruby's smile is beautiful, precious, and it must be protected.•

Helping people in need is what's Huntsmen do, and Jaune isn't an exception (heck, he's shown willing to help people he doesn't even like with Cardin in V1). Though that doesn't mean his reaction can't reveal his feelings to himself.

Ruby doesn't even have to be in actual danger. Like, in the Sakura CardCaptor anime, after Syaoran and Sakura got stuck in an elevator, Sakura falls into an abyss putting Syaoran into an extreme grief thinking she's gone, and then relief when turns out she's fine (Bonus point for Syaoran calling Sakura by her first name for the first time).

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odhiz13Pyrrha: The Ultimate Jaune-dere•

I wouldn’t consider myself even a decent writer when it comes to romance, but I figured that I may as well give something since there aren’t many Lancasters on here.

  1. Near death experience. This one isn’t original, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad. Ruby could easily be put into some sort of danger, but that happens a lot (there is a reason for that though, people like “knight in shining armor” stories). If you want some originality, you could have Jaune almost die in some big fight, and afterwards he starts putting his life into perspective. He realizes that a Huntsman’s life usually doesn’t last long, so he decides to start enjoying it while he’s still alive, which leads to him starting to think more about romance and, in turn, Ruby.

  2. Someone plays matchmaker. This could vary greatly depending on how lighthearted or serious you want to make it. It could range from Yang and Nora coming up with some elaborate scheme, or Jaune having a serious talk with Ren about his feelings like he did in V2 (except now Ren could give Jaune advice based on his experiences with Nora). Only problem here is it may be hard to write this in a way that makes Jaune fall for her rather than him just realizing that he did. Not a terrible idea, but it’ll probably work better if it’s combined with a different way to make Jaune initially fall in love.

  3. Work with the friendship and similarities. The most appealing thing about Lancaster is how many similarities Jaune and Ruby have and how close they are because of it. An idea I had for my own fic is he’s up way later than everyone else stressing over making a plan for something the group is trying to do. As he’s losing his mind over not being able to come up with a good enough plan, Ruby shows up offering to help, saying that it’s their shared responsibility as the leaders. Jaune realizes that Ruby is the only one who really gets him, and boom. He falls for her (except I’m sure you can write that scene way better than I did). And there’s tons of different things you can do depending on how serious and whether you want it to be an immediate decision on Jaune’s part. Maybe they check the news and see that a sequel to a video game they like came out, but they can’t play it due to their present situation so they promise to play together immediately after the world is saved, or maybe they’re both talking while being wallflowers at a social gathering (like a festival in a Vacuan village or something), mirroring V2.

  4. Make a conflict. Currently, Jaune and Ruby haven’t argued over anything, but that doesn’t mean they agree in every single thing. If your story is set during the Atlas arc, then you could write about their differing views about leaving Mantle. Iirc, we never saw how Jaune thinks about Ironwood’s plan or about leaving Mantle, so you have some freedom there. Maybe Ruby wants to make sure she saves everyone, but Jaune would rather save as many people as they can before cutting their losses in order to keep the Winter Maiden out of Salem’s hands. Ozpin is another pretty easy topic. Maybe Ruby is willing to trust Oz to an extent, but Jaune wants to make sure he has nothing to do with making decisions in order to avoid him leading anyone else to their deaths. Trick here is to not make Jaune seem antagonistic, and like he actually has a good point and a reason for thinking the way he does. An easy way to do this would be to have Jaune simply explain his thought process and offer a decent plan to pull it off, or have some others agree with him so it’s not Jaune vs. Everyone.

One thing I would like to add about your point about Ruby being a flat character, I wouldn’t worry too much. If you want to have Jaune fall for some quality or qualities about Ruby, then you don’t need to use the excuse that Ruby changed as a person (because she didn’t). Instead, you can say that Jaune changed. V1-3, his social status was so low, and combined with his experiences with the way Weiss treated him, one could reasonably argue that for most of his time at Beacon, Jaune didn’t even think anyone could like him that way, so he never really developed strong feelings for anyone until Pyrrha practically confessed. V4-6, Jaune was so consumed by guilt and a lust for revenge that love was the last thing he would be worrying about. V7 has Jaune start piecing his life back together, so maybe he starts thinking about that kinda stuff more.

There’s some more ideas I have, but they’re more of just specific events that don’t really fit a broader category, so I’ll just leave them out (unless you want me to go into more detail). Overall, I’m just gonna say this: if you have an idea you like, write it. Even if it’s not the most original or you think it’s not the most groundbreaking idea, just start writing and go with it. Writing is meant to be fun, and if you’re picking ideas that you don’t really love because someone on the internet said they might be better, you probably won’t be having as much fun writing, and that scene, even though it may have been a better idea, will probably turn out rather lackluster because of it.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Wow! A lot of suggestions! Thanks!

  1. Yep, near death experience/mortal danger is an oldie but a goodie. By far the most suggested option here, and with Jaune that faces the danger. It's option I'm keeping in mind if I can spin a fresh take on it.
  2. The story starts with the main antagonist playing match maker, it's the main conflict. It'll be ironic if what they're fighting against is also used to bring them together. Unfortunately this idea wouldn't work, not quite the romcom I was going after.
  3. That's a good idea - a sudden falling in place; Ruby is like him. Not as a romantic angle, rather an intense surge of empathy. And if I keep his romantic focus on Weiss, then it can work very well. It's a little cliche but it works. Okay, I adore this idea, adding to the list!
  4. There is a conflict, it's just not one he's chosen. In a nutshell, he's being controlled and needs to break free. If he and Ruby had more genuine differences that have caused friction in the past, then it'll be fairly for me to write a way out for him. I do have space in the backstory where conflict could be injected, likely Atlas but also Vacuo. I'll keep that in mind.

Jaune changing is the climax of his arc in the story. How, what, and why are very much up in the air. So it's about the trigger, more so than their previous history. Like it's not hard to imagine Ruby's qualities would be attractive to Jaune, as they would be in anyone.

Thanks again!

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odhiz13Pyrrha: The Ultimate Jaune-dere•

No problem! Let me know when the first chapter of your fic is written. I’ve been looking for something to read in my downtime, and I’d love to read yours!

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

The plan is to write a one shot and gauge reactions. If positive, then adapt for a much larger story. I'll most likely post in fanfic Fridays and on r/RwbyFanfiction as well.

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AmbivertCollegeGuyWeiss "Hug Monster" Schnee•

Maybe appeal his desire to protect. Jaune's main goal is to keep his friends safe but Ruby is a "risk it all" kind of hero. You can easily create conflict with this and use it as the main drive for a growing romance while giving them character development. It can all begin with Ruby getting injured, trying to sacrifice herself or just pushing herself too hard to make Jaune become wary of her. Maybe she can steal a line from Pyrrha to trigger some PTSD like "You know what my silver eyes mean. This is my destiny."

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Yes, always forget about guy's desire to protect and how intense it seems. This has given me a idea of a showdown between Ruby and Jaune. Thanks!

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AmbivertCollegeGuyWeiss "Hug Monster" Schnee•

Glad to help!

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HatiLeavateinn•

They are all set for a slow burn kind of love, but I get your point, most lancaster stories are about Ruby falling for Jaune or Jaune just realizing that he is in love with her, but there are few who dare to get Jaune to fall for Ruby for "something new".

It it were me I would get Ruby to show a more mature side of her and that could get Jaune's attention, it would contrast nicely with their current "best buds/dork leaders" dynamic.

The Atlas arc made wonders on showing a more grown up side of Ruby with her change of appearance, now we just need her personality to chatch up to her appearance.

It could be a Ruby more consious of the phisical closeness that she shares with Jaune when they interact (like that hug outside of the dust mines where by their heights Jaune was practically carrying her).

I don't know, something that makes Jaune realice she is no longer a kid anymore, not necessarily sexual tho.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Slow burn is the mold they fit into, for sure.

Well, Ruby is certainly showing a more mature side in the fic, that's not an issue. It's also the conflict of the story. Tying that into Jaune's moment of attraction is easy said then done, but not impossible. Jotting that down!

The Atlas arc made wonders on showing a more grown up side of Ruby with her change of appearance, now we just need her personality to chatch up to her appearance.

Ruby maturity had a huge boost in volume 6, it was her outfit that caught up in the end. Her dilemma on keeping secrets also showcased her growth. Unfortunately, Oscar stole her thunder and in the process pushed her back a step, giving rise to a lot of the naivety criticisms. The writer's didn't allow her to follow through in the end. She's still leagues above where she started in volume 1, and there's plenty to use there. And it wouldn't escape Jaune's notice.

The issue is it's more suited for a slow burn. Which where I keep ending up, lol.

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xande010Make it or Blake it•

I don't think Jaune ever thought of Ruby as a kid, though. If that were Weiss, then I guess... but Jaune is not really the type to judge like that. Like, two years is not that big of a difference.

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SrlojohnThat Topaz Guy•

Since you seem to have gotten plenty of good help from other users here, I have nothing more to add to this.

However, I would like to extend an invitation to the RWBY Nook discord server, a RWBY writing server made by writers, for writers. We'd love to have you!

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Not keen on discord or private chat apps, sorry. Happy to keep to reddit though, if you have a presence here, like in r/RWBYfanfiction.

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SrlojohnThat Topaz Guy•

No, we don't, sorry. Alright, good luck then!

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Why not? Organizing events on r/RwbyFanfiction would be a great way to promote both the Nook and RWBY fan works. Dive into the community and help build it up, instead of sequestering away in private.

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SrlojohnThat Topaz Guy•

I mean, we do events regularly that we post and promote on places like r/rwbyfanfiction, it's just that that is where we organize and meet. Then of course there's me, who goes out and triees to find new people to join. We're just not big enough to get all that much attention. Doesn't help that our original leader left due to shenanigans with not feeling like a proper leader, and I'm the only one left who really wants to push the Nook.

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Jadedoldman65•

You've gotten some good advice. I strongly agree with the separation or threat of loss making Jaune see her in a new light, review his feelings towards her. Also, someone playing matchmaker. Since others have already covered them, I will not waste anyone's time by writing more. However, I would like to add three more possibilities:

#1. Someone else shows a romantic interest in Ruby. As much as Jaune might like to think he's fine with it, he may not be. Again, seeing someone else expressing a romantic interest in her could make him re-examine his feelings towards her.

#2. Ruby hits rock bottom and Jaune is there for her. I know that there's a fine line between support and creepiness, but I could see Ruby coming close to giving up the quest, or perhaps the party is separated again. If most of her friends and family are separated from her again, she could turn to Jaune for comfort and that comfort could change to something else.

#3. They find themselves playing the part. This would be more of a playful sort of thing, but remember when they got their huntsmen licenses and she asked if she could go "under cover"? What if she and Jaune go on a recon mission, in the populace, and act the part of boyfriend and girlfriend in order to blend in. The two of them acting like they're a couple could get them to wondering why they aren't really a couple.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Always welcome more ideas!

  1. Someone else shows a romantic interest in Ruby.

It's the premise of the fic, the central conflict. Also the first thing I thought of; jealously. Unfortunately it doesn't fit Jaune, and he would recognize the feeling.

  1. Ruby hits rock bottom and Jaune is there for her.

The fine line is where the established relationship sits. Nothing wrong with a friend picking up another friend from the ground, or a lover helping their partner. Cross the friend line into lover territory then motives get called in question. That's where it needs to proceed carefully, like establishing a mutual interest in both parties beforehand. It's tricky to navigate, but not impossible. Not sure if it'll work though, but I'll play around with the idea, thanks!

  1. They find themselves playing the part.

They're on opposite sides, and Jaune's technically playing that role already, sort of. It's a nice idea though.

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LeftFaceOfJanus•

So I personally like the idea of fear of losing Ruby being the catalyst for Jaune realizing his feelings for her. Maybe have him freak out that something is going to happen to Ruby only for Ren to reassure him that RWBY will be fine. Nora could be on the sidelines face palming at the obvious miscommunication. You could maybe have Jaune draw parallels between Ruby and Pryhha with both of them willing to put themselves in danger to be a hero. This could create some drama with Jaune pleading with Ruby to not do something dangerous and possibly give Ruby some depth if you come up with a good enough reason why she thinks it needs to be her.

There’s also the cliche of one of them being hurt. I think this can be effective if you remember why it’s a cliche.Being hurt likely means someone caring for you. A Lot of people love the idea of being cared for and it can be very intimate. Also in stories the physical vulnerability of injury could also pave the way for emotional vulnerability. Jaune could realize his feelings for Ruby by allowing himself to completely open up and be vulnerable with her.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Fear is a good motivator - I'm toying with that now, both fear in losing Ruby and himself. Drawing parallels between Pyrrha and Ruby I'm pulling back from. It's doesn't quite suit what I'm after, and the point would to Jaune not dwell on Ruby prior to his sudden realization, well not in a romantic way, which is where Pyrrha would pull it. Fear is a good option though, thanks!

Another point for mortal danger, it's a really popular option!

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lr031099•

I know this has been mentioned here already but I suppose Ruby would get captured by Salem and Jaune would constantly be worries about her. Once they do save her, maybe Jaune starts to realize how much Ruby means to him. You could even have Yang or Nora address it afterward.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Captured by the villain can sort of work - Jaune is on the main antagonists side, though not willingly. But that's more to get them into the room as each other, rather than being the bit that pushes him over. More setting than epiphany. Still adds to it though, thanks!

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lr031099•

No problem. It’s the best I can think of right now if it needs to be set after the current Altas storyline.

Personally while I understand if you want it to be after the current Altas storyline, I think it would be best to have the “tipping point” be in Volume 4 since we see Jaune and Ruby talking more in Volume 4 but much more lowkey. You could show how concerned Jaune would be for Ruby during Volume with Tyrian and Nuckelavee fight. Maybe during Volume 6, we could have Saphron go with them when she sees them hugging, she might address when they’re alone and that’s when Jaune starts reflecting all those time he’s been protected over her (finally realizing his feeling for her). Idk that’s honestly the best I can think of.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

If it was general Lancaster, then sure. You can go back and tweak scenes. The idea is the main canon is used, but the story is far enough removed from events so it has some freedom of movement. And it's a snap moment for Jaune.

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lr031099•

Ah okay. I guess it’s just a bit hard to that since we haven’t seen too much interactions between them but I can see what you mean.

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NaccaratWorld building thirsty•

A suggestion I don't think I've seen here: common grief.

For example, have them go on a mission with a third character they both love, such as Weiss - or another less important one, but it won't be as impacting -, and then have that character die tragically.

The way I did it in my fic is I made Jaune know Summer as some kind of friend/mentor and when she died I made it so Ruby and Jaune are unable to mourn properly. So when they meet each other at Beacon they can talk about the specific aspects of Summer they've personally seen, which finally provides them closure and makes them very close in a very short time.

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Weiss is involved in the central conflict, it's actually centered around her. Grief is a great idea though, it is a sudden, all encompassing emotion. Perfect as a sudden realization. Adding it to the list!

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TheBlindSalmondelet this•

Just have Cinder almost kill her, that seems to happen to every single romantic interest of his^/s

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AlarmingStandardOPOn the other Yang•

Haha, yeah! That would be cliche! Now, I have to go push this Cinder shaped object out of the way for unrelated reasons.

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