[Vent] I didn't realize how crazy our training is
So I'm doing a MBA during my third year (Did clinicals second year), many of my colleagues are coming from ~5 year working careers, and many of my friends from undergrad have been in the workforce for 2-3 years. It's absolutely unreal the things we go through compared to normal careers. I could go on and on about how my friends are making six figures in their mid twenties working M-F 8-5.
But the craziest part? I didn't realize how brainwashed I had become until I stepped away from medicine and into my MBA. I had gotten so used to 24hr call shifts, 80 hour work weeks, and non-stop studying for high stakes exams that I thought it was normal and "okay." Starting the MBA really was a wake up call to me about how business education values developing you as a person and expecting subsequent success whereas in medical school you can have those few attendings who really invest in you, but on a systems level it's just designed for throughput at the end of the day.
What a radical idea that medical education should put trainees first and expect subsequent success, rather expecting success via hyper-competitive board scores, endless research projects, etc and only then being rewarded.
Posted Sep 8, 2020, 5:21 PM UTC
It's why I always say physicians don't make enough, and if they do make enough, don't feel guilty about it.
Before I started med school, I always thought $400k was such a gross amount of money I’d be blessed to make one day.
Now, I find myself from time to time unwillingly thinking how much I deserve a $400k+ paycheck one day. Not a place I ever wanted to be but here we are.
You deserve it
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/30/fact-check-biden-tax-plan-raises-rates-those-who-make-over-400-k/3418926001/
So just make 399 K? Not bad at all by the looks of it but what would my broke ass know about money, eh?
Which is why I don’t understand why so many of my loud classmates are pseudo communists. Future physicians have a vested interest in voting in the center to right.
Edit: here comes the commie downvote brigade lmaoooo. You’ll thank me when you get that fat paycheck in the future and the government doesn’t take more than half of it, until then, stay salty
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During a pandemic, no less
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because Medicaid is the quality of care we all want our loved ones to have. its a garbage system
"Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a communist!!!" Sure, blame med students for midlevel encroachment and not the crony capitalist non-physicians selling you out to cut costs and continue lining their own pockets. How convenient.
Venezuela isn’t real socialism bro!!! It will work this time, i promise!!
Yeah, because it's all about personal wealth. No matter that the right has fully bought into conspiracy theories and white supremacy. No matter that they support the ultra wealthy, including the private equity firms who are buying up medical businesses and dictating physician practice not to mention firing physicians in the middle of a fucking pandemic. No matter that universal healthcare, pharmacare, childcare, strong public education could make up a lot of the difference of there are lower personal remunerations
I can't comprehend this mindset
Sorry man i want to drive a lambo.
Lol Americans. I'm in New Zealand, my student loan is interest free and I started making better money working fewer hours than you as soon as I graduated. And yeah in the public system earnings top out lower than yours but private is still an option and an extremely lucrative one. Nor does the government take half my pay check. Yet somehow all this happens in a country where a party aligned with the US Democrats would be substantially further right than our centre-right party...
Docs in NZ don't make nearly as much as docs in the US on average, my dude
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5 million people total in New Zealand. No one cares about your outpost
any comment that starts with "Lol Americans" you know is ripe with envy for America
Well, some people also consider the interests of others.
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How much money do you donate to charity?
when ppl say reform the health system, they mean allocate money away from the absurd hospital administration budgets, not from physicians or nurses.
Unfortunately we both know that wouldn’t happen. Doctors are first on the chopping block because of our salaries
I can only in good conscious vote for the center / right when they have a competent leader. That isn't the case this year, but maybe it will be in the future. That said, politicians don't have your back regardless of party affiliation. I won't be voting for M4A anytime soon though.
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Good old both sides argument...
Nevermind that it is frankly untrue, which is clear from even a cursory look at the political arena
Because the GOP doesn't want me here, and hates everything that I am
And the same is true of the mainstream left and myself sadly. Its an existential fight at this point, they want to "cancel whiteness" and believe that I as a white/cis/hetero/male/Christian is the root of all evil.
I'm not conservative, but the very far left "eat the rich" classmates cannot think more than 3 steps ahead in almost all circumstances.
IMO, most people are selfish, even on the left. The very far left free education/loan forgiveness types are usually worried about their loans and think "that would fix all my problems."
They don't think 2 steps ahead and realize that more than likely their debt will remain, their salary will go down, and subsequent generations will receive the benefits.
The non-selfish types are usually 1/2nd years that bought into the savior complex. They haven't spent hundreds of hours working in an academic institute handling the poorest of the poor.
They havent seen the frequent fliers eating up thousands of dollars because they wanted a sandwich, the lady who refuses treatment until it becomes an expensive operation, the DKA patient who doesn't take their insulin for shits and giggles, the pathological liars who shot up meth right before showing up at the ER. These people are in bad situations for a reason; you can't fix them - you can only stabilize and focus on the patients who are willing to make progress.
Because this is reddit : I totally disagree with Trump and want Biden to stabilize the government. I am only complaining about the far left that has slowly become more vocal. They constantly talk out of their asses about groups they know nothing about.
I mean can you expand on this? What's "very far left" to you even.
And how are the issues you mentioned not improved by better access/education/less poverty?
Ah Mr wise to the world.
Yeah noone who has spent time in the hospital could possibly think that reform could help /s
I live in Sweden. University education is free, you get monetary contributions from the state for higher education and can take additional loans with very low interest for additional living expenses. We "only" make above average salary (about 3x the average salary in the country as an attending) but at the same time, stuff like 80 hour work weeks are virtually unheard of. We don't have dreaded tests that will define our fate in year two, if you fail tests just redo them no one will know and it won't impact your future. Of course it depends on your goals whether or not you think this is a good system, but for someone like me that just wants a job in a field I like and have financial security it's pretty sweet
Also our taxes are like 30% at base level but we also have free health care and education (including higher education) so that's pretty nice. As I said, not a country to get rich in but a country to have a nice life in
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Lol voting center to right would be easier if that party wasn’t the most corrupt party in the developed world, actively worship racists and rapists, and try to hurt the poor every chance they get
I mean have you seen creepy Joe and all the rape accusations he has? I guess you conveniently ignore Tara Reade to fit your agenda, it’s ok.
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"The top tax rate is 37% for individual single taxpayers with incomes greater than $518,400 and $622,050 for married couples filing jointly, according to the IRS.
The Tax Foundation and the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said Harris and Biden proposed raising the top marginal income tax rate to 39.6%."
People making over 400k are the 1%.
They should be paying more taxes!
Cries in europoor
Doesn't cry in europoor but social security, humane working hours and no debts
Yeah, sure thing, but I think working more hours in Europe isn't as rewarding as working more hours in the United States and that is probably true for all Professional, although I live in Vienna which on its own is a nice city to live in. :)
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