Fuck this shit.
Posted Jul 31, 2011, 8:11 PM UTC
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Maybe you should quit spending so much time raging on Reddit. Go outside.
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"So for those of you who suddenly start counting calories and lose 10 pounds? Fuck you.
For those of you who start getting a 6" subway for lunch and lose 20 pounds? Fuck you."
That's kind of harsh.
Why don't you tell us what a typical days worth of food for you is? Maybe you aren't counting properly?
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I'll cut to the chase for you - it's obviously the jelly beans.
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You ate pizza, pizza, ham & cheese with mayo, a cookie and candy...and you gained weight. Well fuck dude, color me surprised.
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No shit you're gaining weight and feel like shit if that's how you're eating, it's all processed carbs. That's how I used to eat when I was fat.
And 2000 calories is not a starvation diet, it might even be too high for your needs.
r/keto. Give it a shot.
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Like I said, ass - it's 3 pieces of pizza and a ham sandwich. And I didn't say it was a starvation diet - I said it's the diet where I gain 2 pounds.
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Well, if you're going to eat like that, check out r/bodyacceptance and quit your bitching.
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Ha ha, Fattie
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I dunno dude, maybe try eating vegetables instead of pizza?
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IMHO--Restaurants and packaged food lies to you. This calorie count (particularly on the pizza, ham, dressing, etc.) is probably BS.
My suggestion if you haven't gone this route before--For 1 week, try eating food. Not food-like-stuff made in a factory that you have to trust someone in order to know what's in it. Not a sandwich made by a restaurant that slathers on butter when you're not looking. Order extremely simple things or make it yourself.
And for goodness sake--cut out the oil, the dairy-fat, the sugar, and the other obviously bad stuff (bacon!?). Stuff yourself silly with things that won't "make you dizzy" between meals.
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Fat is good for you. I agree with sugar being an obvious "bad" thing, but not fat-heavy foods.
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Well, I'm not talking about avocados. I mean that cooking in oil, cheese, and bacon make it pretty difficult to keep a set small # of calories / meal. YMMV.
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1900 is not a big cut. After all this complaining I expected to see a chart with real home-made foods coming in around 1600 calories. No shit you're not losing weight. You're eating sausage pizza, bacon and ranch salads, cookies, and jelly beans. Way to diet, moron.
Next time try 1600 calories of chicken, fish, vegetables, and fruit.
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Not to mention the crazy salad covered in bacon and ranch dressing, yet clocking in at 24 calories....
Is it a hyper-space, time-traveling salad, by chance?
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Look at the fucking carb to protein ratio. And why the fuck is it red/bad if he goes over protein? This "diet" is full fucking retard.
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If that's all your eating honestly, I have no idea whats going on. All I could suggest is that for one week, eat simple things, like chicken breast, broccoli etc. Measure everything. Just for one week. No eating out or anything
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Have you tried cutting the red-outlined part down to under 100 and making the rest of the calories up with protein and fat? (Preferably unprocessed)
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I am very sorry for your struggle. I know the frustration you are feeling, and it sucks. A lot. Maybe you are releasing way too much cortisol from stress, causing wring gain. Because seriously, telling people who are having success, "Fuck you" is an awful lot of hostility. "Fuck this", sure. "Fuck my life", yeah, maybe. But "Fuck you" to people who found what is working for them? Hostile...maybe to an unhealthy extent. Try meditating and see if reducing your stress allows your body to fight the fat rather than fight itself.
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Yeah fuck us people who manage to stay fit! We're monsters!
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Did the whole "meditation" thing in 2006. Accomplished nothing.
I've earned my hostility.
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Bullshit.
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Good for you. You meditated in 2006 so you are stress free now. Go be hostile somewhere else, and don't use us as a punching bag. But, I know, you probably are punching a real heavy bag at the gym 9 hours a week.
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Look, maybe you're not designed for 185. BMI is an inexact formula. It rarely takes into account everything necessary to determine health. According to BMI, I should be at 185 also. According to a doctor who measured my body fat % pretty accurately? 240 at an absolute minimum (8% body fat at 6'2"). My body is just not designed to be thin and slim. It's designed to be a big, barrel-chested guy. The only thing I can do to get to 185 is actually stop working out until all my muscle turns to fat, and then work that fat off, and maybe I'll be close.
You work out a shit ton. You probably aren't eating enough. Maybe your body is actually health at 240 (which would explain why you skyrocket to it when you eat "enough"), even if others disagree. Your key metric needs to be body fat %, not some ratio of height-weight. Some people just aren't meant to fit into stovepipe jeans. Maybe you're meant to be a big muscle man. Nobody would really argue that Arnold Swarzenegger wasn't fit in his prime, but I bet his BMI was in the "obese" territory during that time.
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Kleinbloo, how much screen time a day do you log? Think there might be a link btwn that and your "immaculate" weight gain? Also, lay off the donuts for christsake.
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He seems to be crying on reddit for 10-20 hours a day.
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I'm very curious to see your macro-nutrient breakdown.
I know r/loseit is VERY big into low-carb, but the fact is, different bodies are different. There is far too much conflicting data to conclude that there is ONE way that will work for everybody. And that INCLUDES calories-in/calories-out formulas.
So it seems like the only thing left for it is to look at WHAT you're eating (not how much) and make a change.
A very obese friend of mine (5'10" 385lbs) was told he had to lose weight or he'd be dead before he was 40. So he came to me for advice. HAHA! I'm the wrong man for that but I gave him a random diet book. It was a very-low-fat diet. i.e. 10% or less of calories could come from fat sources.
And you know what? it fucking worked. He was dropping it like it was hot; four lbs a week. He was tracking calories and only walking a mile or so a day. And he was still eating big. He said his energy was way up as well as his libido. He lost one hundred pounds in eight months. He was still obese, but wow did he look good.
As soon as he started eating fat again (girl troubles), bam! He shot right back up.
He's back on the wagon now, and he loves it.
Long story short, have you tried switching up your macro-nutrient ratios?
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I'm very curious to see your macro-nutrient breakdown.
If I had the first fucking clue how to show you I would. Both myfitnesspal and loseit seem to give you "fat, carbs and protein."
So it seems like the only thing left for it is to look at WHAT you're eating (not how much) and make a change.
Presumes I haven't done the hell out of that in the past 10 years.
It was a very-low-fat diet. i.e. 10% or less of calories could come from fat sources.
Did that in the '90s. Did jack shit.
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If I had the first fucking clue how to show you I would. Both myfitnesspal and loseit seem to give you "fat, carbs and protein."
That's what macro nutrient ratio means.
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he's a troll.
all these years doing all these things, claiming to have "tried everything", yet he can't give percent cals from fat, carb, and protein?
puh-leez.
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He isn't a troll, I think he is just really really frustrated.
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What's your daily carb and protein intake?
Cut the carbs, up the protein, do barbell lifting, go from there.
Also, you might want to read up on the connections between stress, cortisol and obesity, as judging from your recent comments on reddit, it sounds like some R&R might be in order.
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You deserve some sort of medal for being a better person than I am.
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When I lost my 90lbs after disability, I ate vegetables and walked everywhere. I didnt gauge the weight I was loosing by a scale, I measured it by my cloths fitting better. Stop stressing yourself out.
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Have you tried different diet types?
Every type of diet that isn't batshit insane, yes.
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Time for the batshit insane?
Unlimited bananas only? Bring it on!
Well, theoratically, since there was a guy who tried to eat only twinkies and lost weight, I guess you could do the same on bananas, no? Lol
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220 at 6'1" is NOT "Obese" on a BMI scale, it is Overweight. 70 pounds off this is is classed as "Underweight." And 135 at 6'1" is sickly skinny.
FYI, BMI is a load of crap for many people. It doesn't take into consideration body fat percentage, overall body type, frame size, lean mass, etc. Instead of tossing up BMI digits, lets hear body fat percentage/ratios?
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BMI is just plain stupid. I'm 6'1'' and 210 lbs with 9% body fat...overweight on the BMI lol.
Also, to the original thread poster: quit fucking cry-- precision nutrition, p90x and, oh yeah, quit fucking crying. Educate yourself regarding nutrition and physical activities. Do you watch the infomercials and cry that you don't have an 8 pack after a week with your brand new ab roller?
3 hip surgeries here, 1 shoulder and currently plantar fasciitis, but fuck....cry more, fatty. You need some tough love.
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Well fuck you too, fatass. It's not our falt you can't put down the pizza or break a 10 minute mile.
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I can run a 7 minute mile. Last time I ran a 5k I was in the 2nd quartile.
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Such bullshit. You can't run a mile without having a fucking heart attack and you know it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
ha.
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If you want to try something else, then try this.
Per day:
- 4 cans of Clover Leaf Flaked Light Tuna ~100 cals each, 2g fat, 3g carbs, 14g proteins
- 3-4 cups Broccoli
- 300 grams of baby carrots (or get one of those small bag of baby carrots which contain ONLY BABY CARROTS)
- Unlimited Celery (Which turned out to be about 5-6 stalks)
- Unlimited Tangerines (fresh, in their skin, nothing peeled, you have to do it yourself. Turned out to be about 8 per day)
- Unlimited water and green tea.
You don't get to buy already made green tea, you have to make it yourself from anything that ressembles a leaf, get a little metal ball that you soak in the hot water. You can't add anything to anything no splenda or shit that says that it's 0 calories. You eat half the tuna cans at diner and the other at supper. You can eat tangerines anytime, you just have to peel them. You'll get fucking sick of peeling them so it'll balance out with your hunger.
Be prepared to feel faint sometimes, eat tangerines.
This is probably not healty, this is probably not a good idea. But I did something like that out of sheer frustration.
Did it for about 4 months. Lost 60 pounds.
Also, before all of this, get pissed off, down an entire Martini Dry Torino 1L bottle of Vermouth in about 12 hours.
I think the mix of trying to kill my liver, with almost no fat made it possible.
Also, be ready to die, this comes with 60 minutes of cardio per day, at 150bpm. Take the threadmill, or bike and put it on "auto adjust for heart rythm"
I was ready to die, and didn't talk about this plan with anyone because I knew everyone would say it's suicide or something. Well, I didn't die, yet.
Maybe I fucked something up in my system, but fuck it, I'd prefer to live a few year being non fat, and somehow more beautifull than life forever as a fat ass.
Half assing any sports won't do it. You have to be fucking dead at the end. Somehow our bodies tricks us into thinking that everything hurts. My fucking teeth hurt if anyone just mention them, that's not normal. My brain is wired to invent pain everywhere. I'm not fucking tired, I'm not fucking sore, soreness doesn't go away in 30 minutes when you stop thinking about it. Fuck you brain, fuck you liver. See this threadmill? Fucking die!
N.B. Results may vary. You may die, this is totally unresponsible advice, but before going the suicide route, let's go the "I'm fucking doing things my way even if people think I may die because fuck it, fuck you, fuck this, fuck this brain, fuck this fat, and fuck everything about it"
Oh yeah, be prepared to get treated better, people are fucking shallow like that. I'm starting to even suspect that everyone who count calories and "it works for them" eat half of what they say. But since it works, the calories thing works, right? How about if everyone lies about it?
Fuck this, it worked for me. It's my body, only one life to live, I'm my own experiment.
EDIT: Also, important, 8 hours of sleep a night. Minimum. Mandatory. Also, be on penicillin, and don't masturbate. If you masturbate, then you aren't busy enough and you are too much in you head. If you start thinking too much, just say something retarded over and over in your head.
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Out of curiosity, how did you feel hunger-wise most of the day on this suicide-diet?
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Instant karma for being an asshole.
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Also, the fact that you DO NOT STRETCH AT ALL makes me think you're doing it wrong.
I realize you've come here to vent, and not for advice. But it seems pretty disingenuous for you to come on here and say "nothing works!" when you aren't even exercising correctly. Who knows what else you're leaving out of the story, or just not doing correctly?
I hate to be a downer in an otherwise wonderfully supportive community, but it looks like you're trolling pretty heavily, and these people don't deserve it. I for one would appreciate it if the mods would keep this shit off of here.
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I'm sorry that you're struggling. I really, truly am. I wish there was a magic wand I could wave to make everyone who puts in effort receive some kind of reward.
Have you gone to a different doctor? A dietician? Shown them your food diary, your input calories versus your output? Every body is different. Your bought with near-bulimia probably fucked your metabolism a bit. You might find that you benefit from varying calories - high calorie intake one day, low the next, etc. (I'm not telling you to do that, simply giving an example of how weird weight loss can be for some people.)
I really wish you the best. I know you're angry, I would be too.
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Fuck, I've even had my thyroid tested. Normal.
I've found I benefit from anorexia. Unfortunately then I spend all day sleeping.
Best weight loss I've had recently? a 5-day bout with dysentery where I was shitting honest-to-god undigested white rice. Managed to lose 6 pounds. Hell, I went through a 10-day cleansing fast and only managed to lose 5.
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There's got to be something other than anorexia. Honestly. If you keep toying with anorexia, you're only doing yourself wrong in the long run. I maintained anorexia for a good 6 months of my life, got to the smallest I'd been since middle school (this is truly no joke). You know what happened in the end? I gained the weight back, plus some, over the following years. And it took me another couple years to train my body what eating right was, and then to have it lose weight.
I was 18. Nearly six years later, I'm finally starting to melt pounds off the right way. But my point is that anorexia and bulimia? They're short term, and though you may see it as the only way right now, you have to keep searching for a way that isn't going to harm your body.
You shouldn't fix a problem by creating another problem. You should be losing weight to be healthier and if you're going to starve yourself then you're not getting to healthy, and then really, what's the point?
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It's mostly water, it's not a long term solution. Don't worry about the scale, it's what you can pinch that counts.
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I get that you are frustrated, but it's not easy for anyone, and it's not cool to put other people down when they have lost any amount of weight because it's not easy for anyone.
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15 miles each way, 30 minutes each way
I'm 240 lbs
30mph sustained for half an hour? I don't even begin to believe you.
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Wish I could help more... I feel the same way sometimes. Hope an upvote helps contribute to your confidence to keep it going!
Also, a doctor isn't going to help you much with your weight loss. Believe me, I'm in med school - this isn't what we're taught to do. (Some doctors are better with people and can help a bit more with the psychological aspect, I suppose). We're pretty much just bossy people who sometimes stumble across an actually treatable medical condition.
Incidentally though, have you been worked up for hypothyroidism or chronic fatigue or anything?
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One other thing I'm curious about, and this sounds like a "duh" question, but:
Do you stretch every day? I mean, like, ten minutes of stretching it all out?
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I would also like to hear how this would help.
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No. I stretch never.
If you can provide a compelling argument as to why 2 hours on a bicycle isn't enough but stretching is, I'm all ears.
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My brother was 286. He spent lots of time cycling and working out in the gym. That and eating right got him down to 226. Then he plateaued.
At some point in the conversation, he was going through his workout routine, and I asked him, "well, you stretch first, right?"
And his response was, "stretching? I didn't think that was important."
Now, any fitness expert will tell you about the importance of stretching. Not for weight loss, but for your body. Any type of organized exercise program will always begin with stretching.
Anyway, I told him to stretch, because it is silly not to, and I'll be damned if he didn't break through that plateau.
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Right, so this shit isn't working. Time to try some new shit! I'm going to break it down for you. There is some swearing ahead. We're swearing in this thread, ok.
First:
Your fucking diet
You need to start experimenting with more advanced techniques in nutrition. Calories in, calories out, is a good general guide. But timing what you eat and when you eat it is also really important. What you eat matters more than you think, and your macronutrient breakdown just might not be working for you. You might want to look into eating low carb, carb cycling or intermittent fasting. Fasting until the afternoon, then eating two square meals in the afternoon and evening is actually a perfectly fine way to eat; it's not unhealthy unless you make it unhealthy. Check out [Leangains](http://www.leangains.com] for a popular approach to IF. Your past experiences demonstrate that this might be a very effective method for you. In any case, do some research into athletic nutrition and supplements. And get your blood glucose tested by your doctor, because your dizziness might indicate you've got some insulin resistance issues. (Plus, knowing to what degree you're insulin resistant or sensitive will help you design a better nutrition program. To my chagrin I've learned that if I eat a lot of carbs in the morning I feel like shit all day, and now I get to eat mostly protein and fat until the evening.)
Second:
You're not actually burning as many calories as you think you are
I can guarantee that you're overestimating how many calories you burn, in exercise and daily life, unless you're wearing a heartrate monitor constantly. Websites' estimations are usually way off because they can't measure the intensity of the exercise you're doing or the amount of muscle mass you have. People drastically overestimate how many calories they burn through exercise, and also that the body adapts to become more efficient. The exercise you're doing is also a normal amount for a healthy and active person. It's not exercise bulimia, nor is it particularly large volume, even the cycling.
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You're not doing the right kind of exercise
The type of exercise you're doing is more along the lines of daily regular physical activity than something that will help you achieve your fitness goals. You should be commended for it (especially the bike riding, good on you for not contributing to anthropogenic climate change.) But if you want to lose fat, look into high-intensity interval training. You'll be able to do less cardio, with much better results. And most importantly, start lifting some heavy shit. Strength training is the best form of exercise if you really want to change your body composition. Go read the r/Fitness FAQ. Two of the more popular programs for beginners are Starting Strength and Stronglifts 5x5. Once you learn to lift, you might also enjoy a program like Crossfit.
It also takes an insane amount of effort for me to lose weight, so I understand your frustration. Good luck.
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Your stress level
Some of the other comments in this thread have mentioned a hormone called cortisol. Excess cortisol production can indeed slow weight loss. Do some research, figure out how to manage your stress level better. You might even be better off not tracking your weight and calories for a while if it contributes to excessive stress.
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I disagree with the calories. When you are approaching single digits, the micro nutrient balance becomes the deciding factor. Assuming a decently healthy diet, at any level of 20% +, calories in and out are the primary concern. I wish I could remember the journal so I could cite it here though.
None of your post makes sense to me. Do you mean "macro nutrient balance"? What is "micro nutrient balance"? You can ensure adequate micronutrient intake with good diet and vitamin supplements as needed.
macro, thanks. Too many things going on around me at the office, one vowel ...
I remember TNation having a writeup on it too, was kind of nice, went into the differences between the different fats stored on the body, and how one is easier to lose than the other also.
OK... but actually what I said in my post was that macro breakdown could be an important factor if simple calorie restriction didn't seem to be affecting the OP, I'm not sure why you're disagreeing since you appear to be making the same point.
Of course, as we learned later on in the thread, OP had a crap diet anyways so that and being a whiner was his primary issue.
Presumes I haven't done so.
I wore a Polar F11 for two fucking years. It was mostly noteworthy for scolding me for working too hard when I ran, not working hard enough when I walked, and insisting that every time it checked my resting heart rate I was closer to death. However, I did compare its outputs to what was measured by the Concept 2 Model C that I owned and used religiously for three years and found that effort measured by the heart rate monitor was generally less than effort measured by the honest-to-god ergometer I was strapped to. When I ditched the Model C I compared the output measured by the F11 to that measured by Runkeeper and found that Runkeeper generally under-reported (it does fuckall to account for hills or headwinds, for example).
No, but it was when I was a kid. When I was 17 I ran 8 miles on Monday, 4 miles on tuesday, couldn't hardly walk on wednesday, then finally ate something on Thursday. That's how I made Thanksgiving "okay."
Lifted heavy shit four to six times a week for three years. Maxed out the hip sled. Maxed out the leg press. Military press, bench press, fly, lat pull, all of it, 45 minutes a day. Gained 20 lbs. Lost no fat.
There seems to be a general concensus that "if you're not losing weight, it's obviously because you're a fucking idiot." Fuck that, fuck you, fuck r/fitness. Thanks for not contributing to anthropcentric climate change indeed.
What is it you're looking for from us? I've seen a lot of comments, but nothing that anyone here can actually do do support you.
You wanna quit? Pack your toys and go home. You want advice? Ask home questions we can answer. Helping out is kind of what we do here, ya know?
You don't have to flame out like this. We're all in the process of doing it, so you coming around and spewing forth the hate is pretty unwelcome.
Scorn, anger, derision and downvotes. I didn't title the post "hey guys, looking for suggestions" I titled it "fuck this shit."
Every fucking NSV post simply serves to piss me off. I'm deriving a great deal of cathartic, angry joy from this.
No, but I'm fucking enjoying it. It's the first thing I've enjoyed that's weight-loss related in probably 15 years.
One does not title a post "fuck this shit" when one is seeking "welcome." One titles a post "fuck this shit" when the happy-go-lucky "oh look if I don't drink three beers a day I lose weight" drum circle of this place causes you ire.
Ok, so you're looking to flame out. Carry on. It sucks that you don't get what this community is about, but that's your tough shit.
Nobody put a gun to your head and made you come to this sub... it's all on you.
Don't get mad and think we're treating you like a "fucking idiot" because you have failed to give everybody relevant information in your post. We're not treating you like an idiot, we're treating you like someone whose methods are not working effectively and suggesting alternatives.
Now that you've given me more information I can pinpoint some issues more accurately.
HRM. Yes, the HRM will measure less than the Concept 2, because machines typically overestimate the number of calories you burn. In any case, have you been using the Polar recently to better estimate the number of calories you're burning through exercise?
For strength training, what did your number of reps/sets look like? And why did you stop strength training, just because you didn't have fat loss? You probably gained muscle at the time, what did you do for nutrition and/or cutting?
So you had some DOMS on the Wednesday after Thanksgiving and had a couple of days of fasting and running a bit more. Big fucking deal? Humans have fasted for millennia for religious and cultural reasons, and if you eat too much more exercise can help balance it out - but only to an extent. Overall I see that you're focused on exercise more than diet. You're probably still trying to out-exercise a bad diet, as unhappy as you clearly are to consider that possibility. How many calories do you eat daily? How precise are you in measuring them? What foods do you eat, and when?
Try some humility. Consider that you might not have been doing something effectively and that's why your methods didn't work, not that everyone else in the world is wrong or genetically advantaged and that you're working so much harder than the rest of us. No. Everyone works hard or has habits that enable them to lose or maintain weight. Figure out what you're doing wrong. And if you can't, you might have some medical issue that you should get sorted out. Talk to a doctor.
I hear that when people die they lose weight from not needing to eat and their body decomposing. Have you tried that diet yet?
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Have you tried a low carb diet? The whole Atkins thingy? If you want I could relate some of my experience with low carbs (not a lot of experience... but it worked fairly well for me)