"A lot of producers will say, “Hey, give me one more.” Well, for what? You’re just going to waste their voice, and you already got the best take that you can, so move on." - Seth Firkins, 2017
daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2017/08/seth-fi...Posted Dec 5, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC
This is so true. As a vocal producer and often engineer on sessions with other producers... When you've got what you need move on.
I've seen inexperienced producers wasting hours with "try one where you just 'go for it'." or "how about one with a different vibe?" The singer gets tired, bored, and frustrated, and has nothing left when you're at the end of the session and you really do need them to belt it out for the chorus or adlibs.
That being said, I will never say no if the artist asks to do one more.
Managing a singers stamina is truly an art form. Knowing the song and how it sits in their voice goes a long way. And like you said, keeping them inspired is critical. Trust is critical though- the singer needs to trust that if you ask for one with a different vibe and it seems stupid to them, there’s a reason that you need to grab it. This only comes with turning around great accapellas consistently.
Totally.
YES.
Also, 99% of the time, if you didn't know what vibe it should be on the first take, you didn't do your job. Don't have them sing it a certain way ten times in a row and then chime in with "what about this approach instead?" You've wasted 10 takes, and if the singer's smart, they'll know it.
Disagree a little bit- I often I know what emotion I’m trying to get from the song, but the way the demo singer got there may be different from the way the artist does. If you know their voice well, you probably won’t have this problem, but sometimes it takes a little discovery and exploration to figure out how to get the emotion out. Sometimes that means just hanging out and relaxing, sometimes it’s talking about the song or the vocal performance we’re going for, to get on the same page, but sometimes you just gotta try shit and see what makes your goose bump. To me, the job is to get there however you need to get there.
I also find that most singers are bad at pacing themselves because they just like singing (or hearing themselves?), so I’m definitely not counting on the singer being smart about voice management; I just regularly ask them how their voice is feeling if it’s something I know is taxing, so they are at least thinking about it.