How can we best organise and structure this sub so information can be best understood and presented.
What post flairs do we need? The questions will eventually link to the wiki, so we should think about hierarchy of information (though one can only append a single flair to a post).
Posted Jan 7, 2021, 6:21 PM UTC
u/cleisthenes-alpha Obviously I've just quickly whipped up this sub, please change what you like. You say you've created a structured forum before, what do you think will help establish that in this sub (for the benefit of new potential mods, feel free to cover anything we've previously discussed)?
u/dominatingslash u/thetalkingmartlet u/sl13pnir u/adaheartpool and any others interested in discussing:
I'm realizing due to the structure of broader reddit, we're going to immediately drop off people's map unless they see new posts on a regular basis - no new posts means no appearance on people's home feed. What say you all to the idea that we write a new post every X days to garner focused discussion and drafting for the question? Almost a question-of-the-day or question-of-the-week format? That way, subs will see the new post and participate on that one - and even if it's only that one, we're generating at least one highly reviewed question on a regular basis.
If this sounds good to y'all, it might be a good idea also for us to come up with a schedule of the next few Q's and when we should post
That sounds great! We could schedule posts to to get ahead of the curve. Might be a good idea to cross post to the main Cardano subreddit to help users find the ELI5.
Do we need a schedule, or shall we just make sure that a question has been asked every day or whatever timeframe?
All the questions I've got written in that spreadsheet should be asked at some point, maybe we could just post the question and hyperlink them in the spreadsheet to keep track of what's been posted already?
Yeah, not sure if a schedule is super necessary, but it definitely seems like it'll simplify our lives a lot. Since these are relatively high-effort posts, I suspect a 1-a-day might be too high a frequency for many, though it does seem like a good idea to keep us relatively frequent so people don't forget about it. Maybe 1-every-2-days?
I'll add my lists of questions to your list and use that going forward.
When I take notes on different topics, I don't do full sources/structure format. More of a topic and relevant links that follow. So most of the scheduled ELI5 posts I've made follow that format. I will try and go through them and add structure to them, but feel free to add to them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardano_ELI5/about/scheduledposts
The great thing about the schedule is we can review them before posting and change the scheduled date to when we like. Right now I set them 5 months into the future. I tried scheduling out for 2022, but reddit wouldn't allow posting that far ahead.
I've noticed during Charles' AMA videos he is often asked the same questions each AMA so I tried to add a few into the ELI5.
This is fantastic, thanks for putting it together! Having a roster like this is great, and I'm sure it'll simplify things for us to schedule them more deliberately like this.
Why don't we each come up with a few questions to add to the far future (some derived from u/sl13pnir's sheet) and then we can decide what ordering to set up and at what frequency?
Just an FYI 2 useful tools I use are http://tableit.net This helps format from excel/google excel to a reddit table in markdown mode.
I've answered Cardano Reddits questions in the past and this tool allows you to search your user account comments (last 1000). https://redditcommentsearch.com
I'm very interested in working within the limitations of Reddit and with the objectives we want r/Cardano to be for the community.
Is there a way to automod responses per tag?
For instance when a post is submitted with [staking] the automod can autofill a curated list of links and posts just specifically related to staking?
It's very hands on to try to answer the repetitive questions. Maybe that's just what it takes.
Is there a way to automod responses per tag?
Yes, but the responses will have to be hard coded, we couldn't make it search and create a list of links for example, we'd have to write the links ourselves.
Anything more advanced and we'd need a bot to incorporate the logic.
If you want to play in the test sub, here's the automod config (the first two rules are for this example).
Here's a quick example of custom responses per flair:
Perhaps it is an idea to make one of the pinned comments near the top with an overview / table of contents with links to the question page. The overview could also have a link directly to the Guidelines. This could also be the page the main Cardano page links to - might make it a little easier for people to find the question they are looking for? :)
Could have headings with question subheadings:
Contributor guidelines can be found here.
> how do I store ada
> etc
We'll be doing something like that in the subreddit wiki.
You can only have 2 stickied threads on the sub, and only one stickied comment in a thread.
I think when we've got a basic wiki made, when we can add it to the automod comments and stick links in the menu and sidebar widgets.
I would gladly help with writing answers to questions posed on ELI5, I like the sound of the "question of the week", this could indeed be posed in the automod bot and link directly to the ELI5 page answer potentially - can't access some of the links as they have mod privilege :) I think even if a question has been answered it could be a "featured" comment perhaps on the main Cardano page/in automod section, big questions such as staking/storing ADA could perhaps be posted once a month/6 weeks as I believe there will be many newcomers over the coming year.
Do you think we should have a dedicated question thread and sticky that instead of this post? We can always link this post elsewhere like in the menu or sidebar.
That way users can still ask questions but we're still able to control the questions posted as threads.
Yeah that's a good call imo. We just need to make sure it's clear that the thread is not for people directly asking questions they expect to be answered, but rather that they're suggesting questions to be posted. I'm just anticipating newbies wandering in and asking questions hoping to be answered there, haha.
Also, does every 3 days sound right to people in terms of frequency? We can always bump it up but 3 sounds like just often enough, and ambitious in terms of coming up with new content.
On another note, per the suggestion of u/adaheartpool I've added more of the posting guidelines into the Rules in the sidebar. Open to any suggestions/feedback on phrasing and such!
Ok great, I'm make sure it's termed a question 'submission'.
Yeah that frequency sounds ok to me, we can tweak it based on contribution.
Great nice job with the rules. It might be worth adding removal reasons to go with - https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardano_ELI5/about/removal
Removal reasons provide an easy was to moderate and gives feedback for removal which having to write a custom comment each time (you can still customise the reason at the time of removal). They are a life saver on the main sub atm!
Are we happy with the default automod comment in posts? Unfortunately I think we'll always have people who ignore the guidelines despite our efforts!
Great call - just added in some removal reasons using the same language as the rules.
And yeah, I'm good with the automod as-is for now; thanks for handling that, by the way! It'll definitely be a constant, uphill battle, but we've got all the systems in place to do our best with it, at least.
Do you think this is ok for a post titled 'Question Submission Thread':
"
Posting questions on this subreddit is restricted to ensure we maintain a high standard of submission and contribution.
You may ask any questions in the comments of this thread that you'd like to be scheduled for posting, providing:
Questions deems unsuitable for the subreddit will be removed. Please do not ask moderators when you question will be posted.
This thread is not ment for answers, only as a source of questions.
"
I'm easy breezy. Would be a good idea for users to be able post questions and then sourced posts with answers could then be posted.
Note I've added a few resources in the wiki that we might help develop this sub.
u/SL13PNIR u/theTalkingMartlet
Alright, let's get this party started. I've added a buncha the most common questions I'm seeing out there right now to the sub (to give people concrete places to contribute), and have gone ahead and updated my answer and some of the guidelines. Also consolidated some of the post flair options given SL13PNIR's brainstorming spreadsheet for questions and what seemed to fit with the newest posts. Defs feel free to add your own (though see some of the "Related questions" I put in the post body for some of them - I figure any good answer to the post title Q would also cover those listed)
Unless you all feel strongly, I feel like now's the time to open up to the broader r/cardano community (at least in terms of allowing answers) - seeing no real reason to delay anymore. I've drafted up an introductory post for r/cardano that's mostly just the intro of the posting guidelines post, and would also love your feedback here. SL13PNIR, once we've iterated on the language, would you be willing to potentially sticky this over there for visibility?
Post Title: Introducing the Cardano ELI5 Subreddit! We've created a community-driven FAQ for newcomers - and we need your help!
Post body:
Hello all!
As I'm sure you all have noticed, we've seeing a lot of new faces here at r/cardano asking a lot of the same, important questions about our ecosystem - staking, wallet recovery, transaction fees, voting, "WhEn CoInBaSe?!?" etc. etc. While frustrating in their frequency, these are important efforts: explaining these fundamental questions clearly and helpfully to newcomers is a critical part of expanding our community with long-term supporters and developers.
To save us all time and frustration in the longer run, u/SL13PNIR and I have created r/Cardano_ELI5, a dedicated subreddit to begin compiling a series of community-driven answers to the most common questions - in plain language, accessible to beginners, and well-sourced (hence, "Explain Like I'm Five," or ELI5). Answers like this or this. The best questions and answers will eventually be collected and posted in a new r/cardano subreddit wiki, which can then be easily shared with new users for reference while constantly growing and updating.
Our goal was to create a FAQ platform that is: (a) Easily shareable with new users using a verified trusted host (i.e. no sketchy outside links), (b) Decentralized from a power and contribution perspective (in the spirit of all good things we're doing here), (c) Easily updatable, and (d) Community-driven with accountability.
If that all sounds good and you're game to contribute, head on over to the Posting Guidelines for more information on standards and formatting! We'd love your help coming up with new questions, formulating thoughtful ELI5 answers, and deciding on which answers are best, for the betterment of our community overall. We'd also love your thoughts on how we can improve the design and format of the subreddit for future use - see the discussion thread here.
Anyway, thanks for considering, and stay well and kind out there y'all!
It's fine with me, I'll try to put in some time for decent answers - you both set the bar so high!
I'd say just be prepared for the influx of users. Hopefully we'll see many good contributors.
I can add a mention in the automod message I've got running on the main sub if you want.
aw hell yeah, putting it in the automod is a great idea (and it's already looking great!). Also love what you came up with for this subreddit's automod message, too.
I'll wait to hear from u/theTalkingMartlet first before we go ahead on anything - I know concision isn't my strongsuit!
I think it’s great. Can’t let perfection be the enemy of the good (the great, actually!). Go for it!
Roger that, let's goooooooooo! https://www.reddit.com/r/cardano/comments/l01lln/introducing_the_cardano_eli5_subreddit_weve/
u/SL13PNIR u/dominatingslash u/adaheartpool u/theTalkingMartlet
Oy team - just made a couple of minor adjustments:
Do those both sound good to people? We've been replying in bulk to requests to post with the same thing and I think it's mostly just people not reading any of the guidelines whatsoever when they request, so this seems like it'd save us the trouble.
Yes sounds good! People definitely don't both to read things, it's incredibly frustrating! I didn't know you could turn off the requests to post, I was thinking of a good way to doing it in automod so we wouldn't have to deal with the notifications, but that settles it!
Can anyone tell me where is the best place to buy ADA then transfer to Daedalus?
u/SL13PNIR u/dominatingslash u/adaheartpool u/theTalkingMartlet u/Sapiens_Dudus
Hey team - just want to be transparent. I'm feeling a little burnt out on this project. I feel like the initial subreddit idea was a great one, but it rested on the assumption that there were many in the community willing+able to contribute their own high-quality answers. Alas, I am not getting that sense as we've hit nearly 10k subs and I feel like the handful of folks listed here are the only ones who have been able to contribute even a single high-quality answer.
That said, I'm curious about people's suggestions for moving forward! This note is not to imply I'm out, but more to imply that I think something needs to change for this subreddit to be a useful endeavor.
Hmm yes I'm in agreement, it is a little disappointing that we're not seeing the level of contribution catch on as hoped. Perhaps reddit is not the right platform for the high standards set in place?
I was thinking of maybe porting some of the answers into something like https://docsify.js.org/#/ which is used in the https://cardano-community.github.io/
The reddit wiki is ok, but I've found it lacks adequate search and navigation functionality for such in depth topics. Docsify is super simple to work with and just uses markdown.
Maybe this sub could just have the bar set lower, and continue as an ELI5 - I don't really know!
Still, I think what's been answered thus far has really helped a lot of people and we've definitely managed to reduce having to repeat ourselves for the most part on r/cardano, (which was what prompted this subs creation in the first place)! Well done to you guys for making the effort!
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Hi guys, I'm tagging you because you're regular contributors to questions on r/cardano.
Firstly, thank you for all your contributions thus far, you are a credit to the community and in the last couple of weeks especially I think new users have really noticed this!
I have been conversing with u/cleisthenes-alpha, and we'd very much like to help new users and provide a more oraganised way of answering the common questions they have all about Cardano (and blockchain), with the intention of putting the best Q+A into a subreddit wiki.
This will provide a clear place to direct users, and hopefully, reduce the need to constantly rehash answers / direct them all over the place.
Would you help us moderate and contribute to this little project?
u/dominatingslash
u/Zaytion
u/TWPaul
u/adaheartpool
u/GliTch_04
u/theTalkingMartlet
u/SouthRye
u/GhisX
u/uniVocity
u/rawriclark
u/RebelWithoutPause
u/syncphail
u/todayismycheatday
u/Sapiens_Dudus
u/yottalogical
Please could you tag other users that would be good for this!
Here's my initial swing at describing the motivation and format of the project - take a read for context! https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardano_ELI5/comments/ksifwx/all_posts_must_be_explain_it_like_im_5_questions/gigjcxx?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Our goal right now while the subreddit is restricted is to set the strong norms for the project - what is the standard for how questions are formatted? What does "ELI5" actually look like in action for something as complex as cryptos? For example, here's something I wrote up a while ago with an "ELI5"-style of writing in mind: https://www.reddit.com/r/cardano/comments/km1jg2/why_do_staking_pools_need_my_ada/ghcfql5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
We'd love your suggestions for first questions to post, and your efforts in writing up clear answers to them. Ideally, I think the first few questions would be the right combination of: (a) popular/common (e.g. lots of people are asking right *now* as we get more newbies), (b) objective in answer (e.g. can be answered non-speculatively and with concrete sources), and (c) beneficial and exciting to newbies (think of them like the gateway drugs for wanting to dig deeper into Cardano)
Moreover, as we indicated in the intro thread, we're really open to suggestions for how to tackle this! Flexible and open to changes that would help improve this process - please share your thoughts and ideas!
I think it would be great if we not only had the written responses to the ELI questions, but also video links to help back it up, links to official doc's and if there are infographics for it that would be a plus. This would help cover the Auditory, Visual, and Reading learners.
It might be worthwhile to scrape the cardano reddit and see if there is an automated way to see questions asked most. I know there are scrapping apps out there, never tried it with a reddit sub.
Yes sources to hit the point home are a given I think. I'm a huge fan of the infographics u/adaheartpool has produced.
Perhaps we should list what we think the most common questions are, I don't think we'll need to scrape to find them. I'll start noting some down tomorrow.
I will also look at how we could perhaps make use of a bot to search existing questions and perhaps it could comment links to the most relevant posts or something. I already have a python script using PRAW running on a pi to facilitate the stats on r/CardanoStakePools.
Yeah, let's just keep an eye out for now - honestly the proof should be in the pudding given how many new people are posting each day.
That said, if we did scrape the post titles on r/cardano, natural language processing is one area of my research focus - would be happy to run some automated text analysis on it and see what trends, keywords, etc. pop up. Would be v quick.
I think questions about staking would be a good start (very common, easy to answer objectively and beneficial to newbies).
- How do I stake?
- When do I get rewards?
- Why am I not getting rewards?
- How do I pick a good pool?
- Can I lose ADA when I stake them?
- Where do staking rewards come from?
(there was a nice infographic from u/adaheartpool going around a while ago with the delegation cycle but I can't find it... that would be very useful. Edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/cardano/comments/iwukvb/ultimate_cardano_staking_reward_guide_fixed/)
And although they are not common yet it's probably also a good idea to start with Catalyst/voting/governance questions since we want people to participate. But Catalyst is of course still heavily developing so a lot of questions and answers are going to change a lot over the next couple of months. We can answer those when they come and refine them immediately.
I like the guidelines. Looks good. I'm just not sure on how the framing of the answers is going to be but I think that's just a matter of experimenting and eventually setting a more specific standard. I mean, I explain things very differently to a friend who vaguely heard of Bitcoin than to most r/Cardano users. I think r/Cardano users have more knowledge. Edit: or maybe not https://www.reddit.com/r/cardano/comments/khsn0n/eli5_can_someone_explain_staking_for_an_idiot/ u/SL13PNIR already has so many good answers I thought you already had them all saved somewhere :P
In hindsight, I really wish I'd saved my answers as I went along! I'm not sure why that didn't ever occur to me after repeating myself 100 times haha!
I'm making a list of questions (feel free to add) and will probably post a few this week so we can get some 'golden samples' Q+A posts. I suggested to adaheart it would be good if he could get the info-graphics up on the sub's sidebar, perhaps in r/CardanoStakePools.
They are all saved on r/Cardano so we can just search for them :).
I will add some questions tomorrow or the day after.
So if I'm understanding correctly, this sub will initially be view-only as we put together and post content to serve as an FAQ, to later be opened up at some yet to be determined point?
On the issue of post flair, I don't think it should be used to tag each post with the subject of the question, the subject of the question will be self-evident. Some alternate ideas for flair usage:
Just initially while we get some golden sample Q+A so we can 'set the standard'.
The idea of this sub stemmed from the frustration of repeating the same answers. We thought a subreddit wiki (example), would be a good place to put an FAQ, and that we'd want to put well explained and comprehensive answers in it, so this sub is to be a vehicle for that. That said, I think this sub will be useful in and of itself if it can be well maintained. We can take the best answers from here to put in the FAQ, whilst also using it as a higher quality platform for Q+A.
That's an interesting take on flairs. My initial reason for categorising the flairs, was simply to match that of the categories we'd likely have in the wiki.
We'll likely have a multitude of answers in the same post covering a variety of modality. Unfortunately reddit only limits us to one flair per post and flairs can't be assigned to comments. I'm up for using whatever everyone finds most useful, and the least amount of work for us to maintain!
I really like the wired series, it's one I've seen before. Having something like that for the various topics of Cardano would be awesome. I like the idea of user flairs, it could be used gauge the level of experience one might have in the ecosystem.
u/matiwinnetou