Royal Rumble 2021 and the "Age" myth: A Comparison of WWE Tenures

There has been a decent number of debate lately about the average age of the recent men's rumble match on account of it skewing to be the oldest in history, with the winner being the 2nd oldest in history right behind Vince McMahon. Now, the majority of fans are very happy with the win. 47 or no, Edge is still beloved, and can still put on a good match and have a good feud, so why should his age matter? Many feel insulted that people are putting down the Rumble competitors because of their age, and not judging them based on their talents.

The counter-argument then is that when most complain about "Old" stars, they aren't so much talking about the literal age of an individual, or rather, that shouldn't be the actual focus. Rather, the idea of "New Stars" and "Old Stars" is related to the time since they were established as a star, not the actual time since they were born. It's an argument of Staleness vs Freshness as opposed to Youth vs Age. And for that reason, looking at the age of the roster is missing the forest for the trees. Sure, a guy like Keith Lee is older than the current world champion, but in terms of time the TV Audience have known Keith Lee, he's a considerably newer face. As far as the tv audience is considered, Keith Lee might as well be in his 20s.

So ignoring the argument of Age, is the argument that the current roster is more stale and has hung about longer valid? Looking at the time since they were first established as a regular character on Main Roster WWE tv, does that number also skew upwards in this rumble compared to, for instance, Edge's first rumble win?

The short answer is yes, but let's do the math anyway.

For the purposes of this, I'm counting the date of someone's official debut, meaning I'm not counting Jeff Hardy or Edge's time as uncontracted enhancement talent, or Kane's time as Isaac Yankem, or Ziggler's time as Nicky in the Spirit Squad or Kerwin White's Caddy. I'm starting from the point we as an audience were introduced to these characters as we know them, and since they officially became a regular recurring character on tv, because that is what matters in the context of this conversation of fan perception. So, starting with the 2010 Rumble:

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EntrantDate of Official DebutDays Since Debut
Dolph Ziggler15/9/2008503
Evan Bourne3/6/2008607
CM Punk24/6/20061317
JTG16/10/20061203
Great Khali7/4/20061395
Beth Phoenix8/5/20061364
Zack Ryder11/6/2007965
Triple H30/4/19955390
Drew McIntyre28/08/2009156
Ted Dibiase26/05/2008615
John Morrison1/3/20042162
Kane5/10/19974501
Cody Rhodes2/7/2007944
MVP4/8/20061276
Carlito7/10/20041942
The Miz21/4/20061381
Matt Hardy27/9/19984144
Shawn Michaels7/7/19887878
John Cena27/6/20022775
Shelton Benjamin26/12/20022593
Yoshi Tatsu30/6/2009215
Big Show14/2/19994004
Mark Henry11/3/19965074
Chris Masters21/2/20051805
R-Truth29/8/2008520
Jack Swagger9/9/2008509
Kofi Kingston22/1/2008740
Chris Jericho9/8/19993828
Edge22/6/19984241
Batista4/11/20022645

That comes to a combined number of 66,692 days since the cumulative debuts of these characters, or simplified to 182.7 years. This leads to an average of 2,223 days, or 6.09 years for the competitors.

Now for the 2021 Rumble:

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EntrantDate of Official DebutDays Since Debut
Edge22/6/19988259
Randy Orton25/4/20026856
Sami Zayn4/5/20152099
Mustafa Ali23/1/20171469
Jeff Hardy27/9/19988162
Dolph Ziggler15/9/20084521
Shinsuke Nakamura4/4/20171398
Carlito7/10/20045960
Xavier Woods18/11/20132631
Big E17/12/20122967
John Morrison1/3/20046180
Ricochet18/2/2019713
Elias10/4/20171392
Damian Priest31/1/20210
The Miz21/4/20065399
Riddle29/6/2020216
Daniel Bryan15/8/20103822
Kane5/10/19978519
King Corbin3/4/20161764
Otis14/1/2019748
Dominik Mysterio3/8/2020181
Bobby Lashley23/9/20055609
Hurricane Helms5/7/20017150
Christian27/9/19988162
AJ Styles24/1/20161834
Rey Mysterio25/7/20026765
Sheamus30/6/20094233
Cesaro20/4/20123208
Seth Rollins18/11/20122996
Braun Strowman24/8/20151987

That comes to a combined number of 115,200 days since the cumulative debuts of these characters, or simplified to 315 years. This leads s to an average of 3,840 days, or 10.5 years for the competitors.

So it's pretty clear that the current prominent guys hit the scene a much further ago than the average competitor of yesteryear. I would argue that this statistical stagnation is more the cause of some viewer fatigue, rather than the much more superficial "Edge is in his 40s" that is more hotly debated online.

Another bonus point of trivia to leave you out on:

7 men from the 2010 Rumble also appeared in this years. In comparison, 4 men from the 1999 Rumble competed in the 2010 Rumble. 2 of those men (Kane and Edge) have competed in all three.

Addendum: I strongly debated with myself on two points of debut; whether to count R-Truth's time as K-Kwik, since while it is a different gimmick name and not very prominent a run, it was still recurring enough to be notable, and the gimmick similar enough to what R-Truth started as, and whether to count Dominik Mysterio's time as an recurring on-screen character where he was only a cornerman for his father and not a wrestler himself. I decided against both in each case, going from Killing's debut as Truth and Dominik throwing his hat in the ring as an official wrestler. If you think I was wrong in both cases, then count R-Truth as 3366 days, and Dominik as 684 days.

Posted Feb 2, 2021, 6:20 PM UTC

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BigHoss94Retired in peace?•

Great post! The fact is that the real young talent in their early 20's are more likely to go to NXT, not "main roster." People like Dominik and Austin Theory are rarities nowadays, and Theory went back to NXT. Taker's best work was in his 40's and people like Edge and Jericho have showed they can still go.

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Bookerman32OP•

NXT is another big reason why the main roster age skews upwards on average, yeah. It's another reason why I feel they're getting wires crossed in what exactly bothers them with the current product. Yeah, they'll call Edge old, but the "Young" guys fans have been clamoring for are also older than average, Keith Lee being 36. The age of the guys they want to see on top has also skewed upwards, so it's clearly not really an issue of age, but exposure.

People look at Edge, Sheamus, Miz, whoever and think "Wow, these guys are a lot older than they used to be" when in reality their age is just a symptom of the "illness" if you want to call it that. Their actual concerns seem to be "Wow, these guys had their time in the sun so long ago" which can be true of anyone of any age.

The average tenure of the WWE star is almost twice as long as it was since 2010, which is great for the wrestlers themselves, but it makes a lot of sense than some fans would feel burned out or that things have grown stagnant when the same prominent names are featured for so long compared to times when they remember the roster having a much greater degree of turnover. It seems a lot of people see this, but miss the forest for the trees and result in saying "Anyone over 40 gets their head chopped off" to quote an old Paul Heyman booking plan.

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PicardAndBatman•

I think its sooo dumb that people think a guy can be "too old." Sure, someone like Ric cant/should'nt be wrestling, but just try to tell AJ Styles he needs to hang it up. Hes still one of the best in the world. Look at Shawn's last few years. He retired as one of the best.

If you can go, who gives a fuck how old you are?

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Bookerman32OP•

Exactly my thoughts. I'm not a fan of Goldberg in current day WWE because I just don't enjoy his matches anymore. There are guys much younger than Goldberg who I don't enjoy in-ring either, his age alone has nothing to do with it. You're less like to be in prime condition when you're 50, yes, but that isn't relevant when talking about Minoru Suzuki who can still put on world class matches at 52. Yeah, the average wrestler is usually done by 52, but that doesn't mean I'm going to write off one of my favourite wrestlers when he clearly has more to give in spite of his age. It's a case by case basis here.

The argument of "These guys have been on top forever and its feeling stale" holds much more weight than the much more simplistic angle of "Older than average = bad".

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rwc202•

With Suzuki, I think people don't mention it because the majority of fans over here have only seen him for the past 4 years so he's fairly fresh in people's minds. Which pretty much proves your point.

I also think the way Japanese promotions schedule shows and matches helps foster longer careers. With Suzuki, speficially, it also helps that he took a decade-long break from wrestling to go into early MMA.

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Bookerman32OP•

To that point of taking time away, it's also a large factor. People are much more high on Edge in the main event after her spent 10 years in retirement, and people were much more positive towards Goldberg when he first returned in 2016 than now.

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Tsukkatsu•

There was such a thing as an enjoyable Goldberg match? When and where did such a thing take place?

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Bookerman32OP•

That first Brock feud on his 2016 return and those two matches were considered awesome and shocking with their short length and explosive offence.

But then every match Goldberg did was the same 2 minute two move finisher spam, only they got increasingly sloppier, and it was a bunch of diminishing returns.

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Tsukkatsu•

Far as I can recall, even going back to WCW, every match he ever had was "Finisher Spam". I think William Regal was the only one who actually tried to do a real match with him and he got punished for it.

Goldberg could never last even 5 minutes in the ring-- and his entire repertoire consists of about 4 moves. He would either go into a match, do his 2 or 3 moves and then win... or something would go wrong, he would get hit like... once... maybe a couple times with the same move, because he can't even handle learning how to take more than 1 move per match... and then he would lose.

Any success he ever had was purely from presentation and commentary.

And the two matches you just mentioned were exactly the same thing. The second admittedly less so, but the first? It was just shocking seeing someone do 2 moves over and over and Brock looking like a total jobber. In fact, I think that match didn't even last 2 minutes.

Man-- I was really hoping you could point out somewhere in Goldberg's 25 year career that he ever even once had an actual match that he actually showed he was a functional wrestler and not some overhyped one-trick-pony.

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It’s a stupid fucking argument.

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Bookerman32OP•

Also as far as I'm aware, Meltzer did actually say it was a really good show. I don't know what's achieved by shaming someone for having a single criticism about something they otherwise really liked.

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CapBrink•

Age of a wrestler to me is irrelevant, like it is with acting, unless it's part of the character.

A new star can be 25, a new star can be 40. It's about whether or not they've had their star making run in WWE or not.

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Bookerman32OP•

Yeah, the idea of age being the factor is a matter of perception. In the 93 Rumble, commentators made a huge deal out of how old Bob Backlund was, but in reality he was only 43. He wasn't actually that old, but what mattered is that his time as a main eventer came 15 years prior, so in their eyes he was an "old guy".

In the same vein, Edge was a world champion 15 years ago now. People who feel bored focus on his age, but that's not the issue. It's not "old stars" that are causing fatigue, it's "past stars".

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edtehgarYour Text Here•

People focusing on age are missing the bigger picture of roster stagnation.

Age is just the indicator that not much has changed for the wwe in the past 10 years or so.

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IWantToBolieveHolding Out For A Hero•

It's a wrestling TV-show, these people are physical actors, it shouldn't matter how old they are and how much time went from the first time they debuted the character. The point of the wrestling TV show is to tell stories and wrestle matches. As long as the stories are good and the matches are good, it shouldn't matter how many times the Earth went around the Sun since the actor in TV show started calling himself Edge.

While you may not like the stories being told and the matches being wrestled, and it's perfectly fine, don't pretend like there's only one right way and it's your way. 'Bryan should've won' - no, he should have not, you wanted him to, there's a difference. Just say you want your favourite to win, there's nothing wrong with that.

And I don't say you can't criticize the wrestling TV show, but if you watch it to correctly pick a 20-year old favourite that will become a star for two decades just so you could feel good about yourself, no kink-shaming, but that's a really fucking weird reason to watch something.

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