'Frustrating': Halton Catholic District School Board elementary teachers vote heavily in favour of strike mandate
thestar.com/local-burlington/news/2021/02/05/...
thestar.comPosted Feb 6, 2021, 1:47 AM UTC
3949
thestar.comMeh, unions commonly vote i favour of a strike mandate if negotiations aren't a slam dunk, since without it they know they have no leverage. It's not really suggestive that a strike is likely.
6
Every year? They were on strike last year too.
5
Whenever a major negotiation is taking place, yeah, and I'd say the covid reopening plan qualifies.
In any case, all I'm saying is that this is just a procedural step, not a decision to act on it.
4
My understanding is that the HCDSB Teachers are just asking for the same allowances afforded the other elementary teachers in the province.
2
Such as?
4
Last year was central negotiations, meaning they were on strike against the government. This is local negotiations with the board. Why they don’t line up in the same year like other education unions is beyond me.
4
They don't line up at any board. Local negotiations ns can't really begin until central ones are some. Toronto secondary still doesn't have a local agreement either. The central agreement doesn't come into force until both are signed so any pay increases have not happened yet.
2
There are many other ways to strike before stoping classes completely.
0
My impression of Ontario teachers is they always seem to vote to strike. They must be the most disgruntled workers in Ontario, but that can’t be true can it? Perhaps some other motivation is at play? Fear of going against the Union? Desire to have it all?
6
It’s not that at all. Their working conditions directly impact our children. Most of the things they fought for, at least during central negotiations, were student-centred (keeping FDK, smaller class sizes, opposing e-learning).
4
They have zero chance. With so much of the school year in jeopardy, and a majority legislature they'll be mandated essential and back to work ASAP. They won't risk the public opinion backlash
-2
I know a lot of parents (myself included) that are getting sick and tired of being threatened all the time.
3†
They're not threatening you, they're threatening the employer.
2
Well... threatening how parents can work or not depending on whether kids in school.
6
Who is the employer?
2
The school board obviously.
3
Ontario tax payers are the employer.
2
They are threatening anyone their actions would impact. Their actions would impact parents and children the most.
Edit: I like teachers, I think they should get paid more, but they should find ways to get what they want without striking. Push the vote Liberal or NDP at the next election, that would help their cause a lot more without negatively impacting the people that pay their current salaries.
1†
Striking is the only real power unionized employees have to fight for their rights. Love or hate the union specifically, that's how it works and that's why you don't work 60 hour work weeks including Saturdays.
5
In my opinion, Unions became obsolete and dangerous a long time ago. I don't think it is fair to compare what unions accomplished decades ago (basic worker rights) to what they mainly accomplish today (perks, bonuses, slightly pushing the line in favour of employees).
-1†
I'm all for teachers striking for their rights, but no religious schools should be publicly funded. If you want your kids to be taught a specific religion, you can pay for it yourself.
Agree! And do it outside of school hours, since the kids should be in public school at those times. All private schools should be abolished
I see both sides of the argument.
I am not a religious person, so I wouldn't send my kids to a Catholic school. However, Catholic schools were guaranteed originally with the formation of Canada as they were often oppressed by the Protestant English majority. It went along with guaranteeing French rights of maintaining their culture and language.
From a 21st century perspective, we now have a great multitude of cultures and languages which make up Canada. So, I understand the perspective of defund religious education since a hindu schools aren't funded (or any other religious group).
However if that were to happen, then that would once again be trampling on the rights which are enshrined in the creation of our country.
I support all sides of the argument. However, I feel that if you are sending your child to Catholic you should be:
I personally find Catholicism very backwards thinking, but I respect any individual's right to think and believe what they want.
Often times people will send their kids to the Catholic school and not so the sacraments only because the public school in their zone is garbage... My Catholic school is rated in the top ten in the board with single percentage ESL. The public board has 30 plus percent ESL and is ranked waaaay down. Same neighbourhood...same average incomes. It comes down to which school you think your kids will get a better education at.
Please don't turn this into an argument about standardized testing.
Gosh no. Standardized testing is ridiculous
[deleted]
I appreciate your understanding, but lets keep something in mind about this:
Our country was created by genocidal white nationalists. While historical context is always important for explaining why a system or policy exists, the idea that these traditions need to be respected and conserved simply out of nostalgia is a dangerous mindset. This is bath water that can thrown out without fear of losing the baby.
No doubt! But it is also more complex than that. Keep in mind that French Catholics were also white. As a result, it went beyond skin colour but also religious beliefs.
Hey, come on now, we won the war and we too their land, just like everyone else does. Doesn't mean we are the baddies
Many other provinces have made amendments to abolish their Catholic separate school boards. There's no reason Ontario couldn't do the same.
Why should private schools be abolished? And why should kids have to attend public? What am I missing here?
The public school system is garbage. If someone can afford a better education for their children, they should be allowed to choose.
Kids should attend school because education is a human right. Private schools will always put profit above education, and as private entities hold little to no accountability to the public.
No it's not, in the slightest. At least not in an empirical way supported by data.
Private schools dont offer better educations, but let's go against all data and common sense and pretend they did:
all kids deserve the best education they can be provided. One kid does not deserve a better education because they were born rich.
I do pay for it myself....in my taxes.
Amen to that.
Wrong. Anything to keep Sharia Law from being enacted here is a good thing.