Stop disrespecting my beliefs.
Posted Nov 12, 2011, 9:11 PM UTC
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Are you debating Bob Ross in this comic?
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I don't appreciate the obvious portrayal of my people. Next thing you know, we'll have white villains in hollywood. It's a slippery slope.
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I wish I could give you more than an up-vote, djniggerfaggot69. (T_T)
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Lady, are you talkin' to me?
No, my son is also named djniggerfaggot69.
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, Jr.
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lolllllll split my milk over your id
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How does one split milk?
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First, you create the universe.
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Freeze it....then....
....my axe.
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Exacto knife.
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...Like Hitler? Or Magneto?
Or Voldemort?
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Voldemort is actually asian.
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She forgot the happy little trees
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and over here we'll take the edge of our knife and some prussian blue and make a happy little fundie...
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That drool was hilarious
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Agreed. I hardly ever outright bust out laughing when reading these.. I couldn't contain myself.lol.
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I nearly snorted milk out my nose when I saw the drool.
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the whole satan punishes evil doers is wrong. The bible describes satan being thrown into the lake of fire along with the sinners. Please stop using stupid arguments.
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Since it's what the overwhelming majority of people following the faith actually think, it's not a stupid argument. She's arguing against his beliefs, not some other interpretation.
And by the way, where are you getting that from? I don't recall much in the Bible about hell at all, I definitely don't remember that passage. Citation needed.
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Since it's what the overwhelming majority of people following the faith actually think, it's not a stupid argument.
This isn't true at all. That Satan punishes people in hell is not at all commonly believed by actual Christians (but it is frequently found in cartoons and comics).
As a person who has attended 20+ churches in his life, from conservative to liberal, and dozens of online Christian communities of every kind, it's irritating when folks say "ridiculous doctrine X" is commonly-held when it's not, and then that false claim gets rocket-upvoted. There are plenty of ridiculous doctrines that are actually commonly-held without making inaccurate claims like this.
EDIT: Revelation 20:10, "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
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I just find it hilarious that religious people actually argue about Satan's role, and expect me to go along with it, while they're being 100% serious. It's like me trying to have a serious discussion about whether or not centaurs have the digestive tract of a human or a horse.
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It is important for atheists to understand the basics of Christian theology.
Christian theology regarding Satan isn't "basic." You can not believe in him at all and still be a Christian.
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It's all in Revelation 20. Basically during Christ's reign on earth Satan is imprisoned in a temporary hell. God sets him free for some reason to cause a ruckus.
There is a huge battle. God creates a big lake of fire and throws the Antichrist and Satan into. Then he calls up all teh dead and the people in the OT hell and judges them. Then God takes the Old Testament "Hell" and throws into to the new hell.
Basically any Christian who believes that Satan rewards sinners in teh afterlife doesn't know what they are talking about. According to their "eschatology" everyone in the new hell is burning.
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Then God takes the Old Testament "Hell" and throws into to the new hell.
Yo, dawg, we heard you like hell, so we put a hell in your hell so you can burn while you burn!
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Something I realised whilst reading Revelations is that there isn't a heaven until judgement day.
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There is an OT "heaven". But there is supposed to be a new heaven, hell, and new earth at judgement.
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I thought Christians believe Satan is evil because he tries to lure or trick people away from god.. Or something. And then he gets to punish them too.
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From what I learned in Catholic School, Satan doesn't punish people, hes actually suffers the most in Hell, and lures people away from God to share in his suffering
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Wow, that is a beautiful and painful story. Much better than the crap most people fling around about Satan being the bogeyman
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He does temp you but not punish you. So you know Satan was gods number one angel but due to a difference of opinions God cast his out of Heaven. So the devil was over the angels too and when he was kicked out most of the angels actually followed Satan, I think it was like 2/3 of all the angels. This is where the demons came from or simply Hells Angels. Now this is all simply put so if anyone who actually is keen on this subject please feel free to add. So he tempts people away from God and wants you to screw your neighbors wife and all that shit. The devil does have influence over the earth. So he'll is not rewarding and the devil isn't really punishing, God is. Of course I don't believe this horse shit.
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TIL Lucifer was cast out due to a difference in opinion.
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I had always thought Hells Angels came from Fontana, CA. TIL...
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Where did you get this information? I want to learn more about the story.
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Due to a difference of opinions
And we've only ever heard one side of the story.
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Cool story, bro
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It's probably in Revelation somewhere.
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The majority of Christians don't think that. At least not in the USA. These church people, the actual dedicated ones go to church at least twice a week and there are bible study sessions and so on and so forth. Most Christians know a lot about the bible, god and satan.
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It's in revelation http://bible.cc/revelation/20-10.htm
EDIT: why was this downvoted?
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But this is a prophesy of what will happen, not what is or has happened. Saying "Satan will be thrown into a pit of fire" does nothing to contradict the claim that he's currently running it.
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Satan isn't running "hell" right now. He's supposedly running around causing trouble. There is a current "hell" (Sheol/Hades/Ghenna) but Satan isn't there.
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My understanding is that Satan will be cast into the pit when the apocalypse comes, but as of now he's suffering through the same hell as non-believers (since he's a fallen angel and was sent to hell for punishment). The lake of fire commonly associated with hell is the place Satan is cast into, not hell itself.
That could be completely off base though. I'm cobbling it together from a lot of popular myth.
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I think revelation describes that all people will be judged after the end of the world so there would be no hell right now
EDIT: who the fuck is down voting me so much
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yuup, he is to busy getting punished to do anything at all
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Came here to say this. The argument seems to be a bit confused - satan rewards people on earth for deeds that God punishes in the afterlife. If you believe that sort of thing
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but she stumped a religious person ... ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED !!!
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And even if Satan was really portrayed as punishing evildoers, then that would just be because he's a sadist and he punishes everyone he has control over, which is limited to evildoers. Her argument is pretty dumb.
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he's a sadist and punishes everyone he has control over
Sounds a lot like God to me.
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Agreed, I was told growing up that satan is not looking forward to going to hell. Also, that his misleading of people to get them to go to hell too is more or less a "misery loves company" type of situation. Maybe he just likes depriving god of followers. Not that I'm that concerned about peoples interpretations, I just saw lati0s had mentioned a thought I had.
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Satanists are a lot nicer than christians. First Satanic Rule: Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. Link
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Unless you annoy them, which I think gives them religious grounds to beat you.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy
(same Wikipedia page)
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Yeah this is a bit more convincing:
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, destroy them.
*edit: convincing in that it gives them pretty clear religious grounds to beat you, or more.
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Whoa. I've never actually encountered a real non-LaVeyan Satanist.
Well, aside from 15-year-old Wiccans who just want to seem edgy, but who counts them?
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I like some of LaVey's virtues but it just seems like he's making some "rebellion" act. Like titling the release of emotions from you is "magic." Some of his rules of the earth are sort of disturbing, and it seems sort of stupid.
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I'm pretty sure an AMA isn't really necessary for a belief. A lot of people would misunderstand, also.
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What sect/kind, in particular?
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I really don't think I'm a Satanist...
After viewing some comments from the AMA I made. LaVeyan, mostly, was what I was.
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Christians don't want you to burn in hell. They care about your soul enough to embarrass themselves in an awkward situation with you. It may come off as annoying, but it started with niceness.
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Like when a server brings out the food and they want to pray before eating. I hate that.
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I grew up Catholic and even we hated that (save it for church please).
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Ive had lots of awkward moments with a group of mixed belief people sharing a meal. Normally the christian host starts to say grace and the whole room tenses up because of the different beliefs lol
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While that may hold true for a substantial number of Christians, it's far from a Universal. The despicable Calvinist poem represents quite a large number of Christians, today generally the more conservative ones.
We are the pure and chosen few
And all the rest are damned.
There's room enough in hell for you
We don't want heaven crammed.
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Satanists produce better rock albums too b
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Satanism is just another Christian sect.
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**bwoop bwoop**
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You're my new favorite.
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was it using the term 'got the hots'? ...
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It's probably why dude started drooling.
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Saying their beliefs are wrong, disrespectful. Agreeing to accept their major premise and discuss it under and assumption that they're right, often also considered disrespectful. Annoying.
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Did you intend to write that using the characteristic verbal pacing and lilt of Mordin from Mass Effect 2 or is that a happy accident?
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It's disrespect when you question his beliefs.
We should question everything.
I hate people like that fundie.
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The fact that he himself had to critically think about his own beliefs is probably what pissed him off.
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Exactly.
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I hate little godless fags like you.
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Well aren't you a big strong macho man yourself.
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Sigh, God punishes the evil ones by sending them to hell. Satan is punished by having to be there as well, he is not the ruler of it. Now please stop using this horrible argument.
If you want to say that God created Satan and Satan created evil. Then God must also be responsible for evil and therefore isn't perfect.
Or that Jesus and God knew Jesus would come back and therefore isn't really a sacrifice and instead is more like collateral for money that he loaned to himself, which just seems like a stupid concept.
Saying Satan punishes evil is a misinformed argument, is the same thing when religious people say evolution states that we cam from monkeys. We all know we didn't come from monkeys and that it is a misconception to believe, the same can be said about the Satan punished evil argument.
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You're arguing about what afroman believes and he doesn't believe what you are saying so your arguments are pointless.
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Afroman represents christian beliefs supposedly, but he's misinformed and/or stupid. Unless the point of this is to debate the unique beliefs or an individual instead of Christianity as a whole... but now THAT'S pointless.
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Every single theist has a different position of their 'God'. Some believe as you described it, "God punishes the evil ones by sending them to hell... Satan is there to be punished as well. Others don't want to associate their version of God with punishment and retribution when they say God is loving and forgiving. They believe that it is Satan that punishes evil doers in hell.
Religion is a bad telephone game where millions of people take in whatever they want to hear about their faith and spew it out on people unfortunate enough to be within range. I'll never forget the time I got accosted in a supermarket by some stranger trying to 'save me'. He spent 10 minutes telling me how my life would have more meaning, how loving Jesus was, etc. and I just rattled of bible verse after verse that suggests otherwise. Suddenly Mr. I-want-to-save-your-soul gets enraged at his own contradictions and informs me his forgiving God would "give me my punishment in time".
The point of the story is that Christianity is divided into 100's of sects and every church pastor has his own interpretation that his followers adopt. The contradictions in the bible could justify almost any belief that could still be called Christianity.
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bravo sir. Well how the hell do you explain the monkeys, why ain't they evolved like me....I didn't come from no damn apes.......your right jackass you came from some fucking prairie dog looking rodent you ignorant fuck.
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Besides trolling could you look up that monkey thing on at least Wikipedia, then get back to us.
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That was a joke man, I'm on your side. I hear people who disagree with evolution say all the time "explain why monkeys exist if we evolved from them". Obviously people who listen to science and evolution believe in common ancestry not direct evolving from any certain primate.
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wtf satan doesn't punish people....
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According to what I believe most Christians think: the devil is evil because he tempts people to commit sins that benefit themselves. He doesn't reward them per se, but he makes people do bad things which are rewarding to the people he tempts, at least in the short term.
So if this is what the Christian meant by "he rewards them" (assuming that's even an actual direct quote), then the argument doesn't make much sense, nor does it make much sense according to (what I think) most Christians believe. If the guy in the comic literally meant "the devil makes people do arbitrary bad things and then directly rewards them for doing bad things", then yes, the argument seems valid.
And of course, the larger point of "you're retarded if you think asking about, discussing, or questioning your beliefs counts as disrespect" holds regardless.
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And here is why eventually debating is pointless with people of extreme faith. The second the poorly crafted arguments they learned in Sunday school are quickly picked apart they fall back on the tried and tested "respect my beliefs".
Respect my dick, bitch.
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A Buddhist monk spoke in my religion studies class and said that everything that occurs does so in accordance with karma, if you get hit in the face, you hit somebody in the face (essentially). I straight up asked him how karma the math of that worked if I run around punching people at random, all those I hit had it coming? I'm just dishing out sweet Karma. And how is it statistically likely that Heroshima was such a concentrated bad-karma pot of boiling evil that they all deserved the A bomb? He said "well i can tell you one thing, the guy who dropped it is getting his for sure, burning in some horrible hell somewhere". "WHY!!! HE DISHED OUT SWEET KARMA, YOUR RULE STATES THAT THEY HAD IT COMING! REWARD HIM!" He moved on from the topic but i still don't see how it works.
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I like to think of karma more as if something bad happens to you then something equally good must eventually come your way. Much less in the Buddhist "You must have deserved it" way and much more in a general statistical balance sort of way. It helps to be an optimist though :D
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hiroshima's downvote left them with 0 points, but choosing to a-bomb hiroshima left the president with +352 points, and throughout his life he will recieve exactly 352 downvotes in order to counteract this act of his. thats the principle, that all the upvotes and downvotes accumulated thruought life ultimatley total 0( AKA upvotes = downvotes)
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Let's make this even more simplified…
"I'm not a Christian."
"Stop disrespecting my beliefs!!!!!!!!!"
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I would always be moronic if I was talking to the OP. She turns into a pretty lady when I do that!
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Dear atheists, are you doing anything else than debating?
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Well personally I like to go on walks with my dog, exercise, cook and clean. I also read books and during the summer I go to the beach.
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I am a master debater. As a matter of fact I just won a math debate!
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pool's closed.
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Since when did his beliefs deserve respect?
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Respect the fro.
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I plead guilty to the disrespect.
thomas jefferson was an intelligent man
You betcha.
He was also a Deist who believed that there was some sort of greater power but that we as humans for the most part are idiots and all the religions have gotten it wrong.
He also wrote his own version of the new testament by cutting out (literally, with his razor) all the magic bits, leaving it as "Jesus was a really nice guy. You should be a nice guy too."
He must have cut out an awful lot of shitty things Jesus said in the NT too, then.
I honestly have no problems with deists because usually they aren't dicks about it. No doctrines, no masses, no annoyance.
But can't you be atheist without being anti-theist? Most who consider themselves Christian don't go out of their way to ridicule people of other beliefs. It may make them happy or get them through tough times. Ridiculing people for that is just being a dick at some point.
EDIT: Yea, I guess it was out of line to disrespect your beliefs. Getting together with the other people in the community, doing nice things, and comforting each other is such a scam. How irrational and stupid of those people.
EDIT2: That intelligent man was Christian. :o
i don't see how any atheist can see any religion as anything but a scam (not necessarily a monetary scam but a scam of intellectual dishonesty). those that follow religion on blind faith cannot be reasoned with (otherwise they would become atheists), and thus the rational person is left with nothing but ridicule for the less enlightened.
So people are stupid if they don't believe the same thing you believe? I think I see why Reddit is getting so tired of r/atheism posts.
EDIT: Ah, hypocrisy! Better downvote for pointing it out. Just further proving it!
slaves.
I prefer to take it a step further than "I'll respect your beliefs when they are respectable.": If you believe their beliefs to be laughable, and they object to that in such a fashion, then they are disrespecting your beliefs with hypocrisy. If you keep silent about your beliefs then they must keep silent about theirs. Never forget, respect is always another word for submission when used by gang members. It's called double speak. Never submit and always stand your ground. Give them a single inch and they'll have two over you.
Good point about the returned disrespect! Thanks for your support.
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Here's another way to look at the whole relationship between God and Satan. Satan tries to convince people to do wrong things because he wants people to be miserable like himself. He is miserable because he's lost all of his rights and power in heaven and never got a physical body. He has power to tempt only because God allows him to, it being necessary so that humans can grow spiritually (you can learn theory all day, but real experience comes with practice).
Satan doesn't punish or reward anyone. He simply misleads and misdirects. If people listen to Satan, they too will lose their rights and privileges in heaven (because no unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God... nor would they want to).
Disclaimer: I am of LDS background, and this is what LDS people believe. I make no claims for any other religion. Also, we believe the Book of Mormon is an inspired work, and that the Bible is true as far as it translated correctly (huge caveat there).
Are you sure you meant your comment to go here? It seems a bit non sequitur.