Weekly Discussion Thread - Week 20 of 2021

If it goes into the trenches I have Ramirez winning.

If he uses his outside game and boxing skills, I have Taylor winning.

"R.I.P."!?

Like it. Procreate?

Why isn't the US allowing Scottish citizens in? Seems a weird country to have on the no entry list given that Scotland has a way lower rate of COVID cases and a higher rate of vaccination than the US

They don’t allow Scottish citizens? I thought a whole bunch of UK folks were at the Canelo vs Saunders fight?

I could see the argument beating someone that much bigger than you. Going from CW to the Joshua end of HW is way more significant than the lighter weight classes that Canelo is spanning, but I don't think Usyk's resume would be all that comparable to Canelo's so its hard to say. I also think when you get to HW, upsets are a lot easier to happen, where small guys have a lot better chance than being undersized in smaller weight classes. Those guys just aren't as likely to have that one punch KO power that a HW would. Also Joshua already lost to Ruiz, who arguably has a smaller frame than Usyk with way more rolls covering it. It would be a very subjective debate IMO.

Definitely might. He's already in my top 5, was 2nd for me but inactivity against top guys made me drop him down a bit.

It would be the equivalent of Canelo beating Beterbiev so I'd say yes

It'd certainly put him in comparison with Canelo. It'd be close enough that it honestly depends on the fashion in which Usyk beats AJ and Canelo beats Plant.

think Usyk would need a few more convincing wins at HW still to be in that convo, maybe if he beat the likes of Ruiz/Ortiz/Parker types.. no shame in losing to AJ or Fury for sheer size alone.

he Cruiserweights he's beat are no slouches but Canelo's taken on some HOFers (prime or not) and it's generally agreed the middle weight classes overall have more talent than the heavies

Dude needs help. That's not the first time he did this either.

Communicate with your trainers. If you don't feel comfortable talking to your trainer about this, find another trainer that you will be comfortable with.

Boxing should always be fun, none of us are going to be on a DAZN card anytime soon.

I’ve gotten a little tap on the head when I dropped my hands. It taught me to keep my hands up really quick. That being said, it’s up to you whether or not you want that sort of training. If you’re training because you want to become a fighter, you might as well get used to getting hit after a mistake now because an opponent will definitely hit you during a fight. If you’re just there to work out, you can either take it, or find a different trainer who won’t hit you. It really depends on what you want out of it.

It just depends on the persons motivations for doing it. I love when we are doing mitt work and my coach catches me in the head or side if I’m not being diligent about my defense, but that’s because I trust that it’s not being done with malicious intent. Plus I just enjoy that rough and tumble style of teaching.

If you feel the guy is fucking with you set your boundaries. But also another lesson is to set your boundaries immediately as soon as people cross them. Not setting a boundary for yourself is just letting others set the boundary for you.

r/amateur_boxing

I say a good trainer builds your confidence first by teaching you how to defend in the first place. No need to hit you if don't even have the bare basics down. It sounds me to like he's being a bit of a twat.

70s light-heavyweight is the best era for this stuff I reckon. Marvin Johnson, Yaqui Lopez, Mathew Saad Muhammad, Victor Galindez. Every single one of their fights with each other are fantastic. Matthew Saad Muhammad might have the most great fights of any fighter I've ever seen, along with Bobby Chacon and Rafael Limon. Like half of his fights could be FOTY conteners. Mathew Saad Muhammad's fights with John Conteh are great, so is his fight with Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.

Then Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi come through and beat most of those older guys, and those fights are worth watching.

If you want one in particular to watch it should be Mathew Saad Muhammad vs Yaqui Lopez 2. Ridiculous shit.

So that's where Kash Ali's been hiding since chewing chunks outta Price. Actually looks decent value for money, thanks for the heads up.

he's not ducking, he's just been an idiot and not fulfilled his rematch clause with wilder and expected wilder to just turn down the opportunity to fight and get £30 million.

Nothing at all to suggest either guy is ducking

There’s two very obvious reasons

1. Wilder is too old to wait another year or two. No one knows when he’ll begin declining.
2. If he lets go of a chance to fight Fury, will he ever get another?

Honestly ideally both guys could probably use a tune-up right now, but it was hard enough getting to this point that I don’t see any negotiation about that even being considered.

He doesn't want to fight Fury, he wants step aside money.

Because it’s a massive pay day

I mean saying he has no chance is maybe too far, but I thought he looked kind of fragile against Chisora at points and don’t like him at all to beat AJ.

Yes. He's the best boxer AJ has ever fought, faster than most of the guys he's fought and has the best footwork. Povetkin and Ruiz gave him problems despite the size disadvantage and Usyk has shown to have a great chin.

Idk if I'll pick him, especially because he looks like he might have slowed down a bit to me, but he has a great chance.

i think he'll have a real time with AJ. love Usyk's style and talents but i think AJ is the worst matchup for him of the major heavies.. doubt he can hurt AJ and AJ's conditioning and speed are very good for his size. meanwhile, Usyk is hittable and AJ can hurt him

Looks like a comprehensive list of excuses.

even if Joshua vs Fury happens, no way is it as big as Mayweather vs Pacquiao, or Ali vs Frazier. There are probably 10 more fights that have happened bigger than Joshua vs Fury

Joshua vs Usyk isn't that big