[332] A fight scene

This is nothing but a fight scene. Short and simple. It comes at the end of chapter 7 in my WIP. The setting is already established, the characters are fleshed out, so please don't tell me I need to develop those aspects of the scene in your critique.

Background: Earlier in the story, the MC made the mistake of pissing off the wrong person (Rocco). This scene is the result of that lapse in judgement. Other info: MC is exhausted from the events leading up to this scene, but he's highly trained, former special ops, so he can still function.

EDITED TO ADD: In order for this to work, he obviously needs to be impaired significantly, so I kept him awake for thirty six hours without food and had him dig a grave for the last 3 hours leading up to this scene.

The result of this fight sets the stage for the rest of the story, so I want to make it as engaging and realistic as possible (not epic or heroic, just engaging). As is, it just feels...meh. I've watched a ton of fights and read countless "how to's" on writing fight scenes, but I can't seem to translate it to paper. 

What I'm looking for in a critique: 

  1. Do you understand what's happening in the scene? Are the movements clear? Can you tell who's doing the moving?
  2. Is it realistic? Does the MC seem like he knows what he's doing, or does it read like the author has no freaking clue how to write a fight scene?
  3. Is it too dull? Too long, too short?
  4. Advice on how to make it better is much appreciated. 

Thanks in advance!

Scene [332]  https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Hr43uUsif7-biZVHvhft7FjVo2zsdF9eKfd3m71qIU/edit?usp=sharing

Critique [568]  https://www.reddit.com/r/DestructiveReaders/comments/nmnv8c/568_the_otherbody/gzrmiah?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Posted May 28, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC · edited

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insolent__baker•
  1. Yes, I can understand where all the characters are in relation to each other and who is doing what.

  2. When I think of spec ops, the first thing I think is situational awareness. That shit is drilled into them as a (literal) matter of life and death. You say your MC is exhausted, but is he exhausted (or out of practice?) enough that he wouldn't notice another dude sneaking up on him? Is he somewhere that is especially sneakycreep friendly? You say that the two-by-four hit the frozen dirt after flying out of Sneaky's hands. So presumably they're outside. Are they outside in a place that provides a lot of cover? Because if they're in a field or in the woods or something then I don't buy anything about the second half of this scene.

Also, speaking of Sneaky, why is a two-by-four his weapon of choice? Is that like his signature thing? Or are they fighting behind the local Home Depot?

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a blinding pain tore through my left side

Tony pinned me with his knee, shifting all his weight onto my chest.

This dude's ribs are straight up broken at this point.

  1. I think this could be an ok length depending upon the purpose of the scene. You said that this sets the stage for the rest of the story. This works fine to set the stage if what actually sets the stage comes next. a) the bad guys use this dude's unconsciousness to do unspeakable things to him/his loved ones/his dog/something else he cares about. b) he wakes up in a physically bad situation that he needs to immediately deal with c) etc etc.

If this physical encounter is supposed to 'set the stage' by putting him on a roaring rampage of revenge because Sneaky beat him up, that'd be a big nope from me.

  1. Generally, it's a good idea to use shorter sentences to speed up a fight scene and longer sentences to slow it down. Most of your sentences are on the longer side.

As he staggered backwards, clutching his nose and spewing curses and blood, my elbow jabbed Tony’s ribs.

This is a loooooonnnnnngggggggg sentence in the context of a fight scene. Fights happen quickquickquick. Try one, two MAX, actions per sentence in the least amount of words necessary.

We hit the ground. More blinding pain.

Like this. This is good.

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Extra nit-picky things;

Rocco charged, his right fist wound back.

This makes me think of one of those anime scenes where one guy is running in from like 50 feet away with his fist up the whole time.

It hurt like hell

Yeah no shit. Punches do that.

elbows to the face

I actually like this. My veteran husband says to go for elbows instead of fists when you're in close, but it's something I hardly ever see in fight scenes.

but I brought him down too

How?

I stopped myself from going further. I didn't want to kill them or maim them, just convince them not to mess with me anymore.

Overly explain-y IMO.

somewhere behind me

The only thing behind him right now is the ground. Unless they have him on his belly? You should probably specify which way they pin him.

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These2YootsOP•

Thank you!! This was amazing feedback. Exactly what I'm looking for. I have a few follow up questions, if you don't mind.

On point 2. I'm glad you mentioned this. The situational awareness was the main problem I was having when trying to come up with a plausible way to incapacitate this guy. I needed him impaired, so I kept him awake for thirty six hours without food and had him dig a grave for the last 3 hours leading up to this scene. I figured that might be enough to knock this guy off his game a bit, but you're right--not noticing the sneaky person still seems unrealistic. Do you have any suggestions?

The two-by-four: the scene is set in front of an abandoned farmhouse and I was trying to think of a weapon that would be easily accessible and cause broken ribs and a concussion. Any better weapon ideas?

Your anime comment made me laugh out loud. Thanks, I'll take that out.

Thank you again. I have a lot of work to do!

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insolent__baker•

Farmhouse is a cool location. That gives you a ton of options for things to hide behind as well as things to hit someone with.

Depending upon how recently this farmhouse was used for farming, it might have things like sheds, barns, animal enclosures, or large pieces of farming equipment that broke down and were never removed. If it's been used more for residential purposes, you still might have things like garages, vehicles, neighbor's houses, as well as the farmhouse itself. If your guys are fighting near anything big enough to hide in or behind, that solves your problem.

Keeping someone awake & physical exhaustion would definitely throw them off. But IMO not enough that they wouldn't see someone coming from more than a few feet away. But his awareness doesn't mean jack shit if Sneaky actually has something to hide behind until he gets relatively close.

2x4 would definitely do the job, and a farmhouse would probably have some laying around. Did your MC have a shovel to dig that grave? That'd hurt like a bitch to get hit with and definitely break some ribs. You have almost unlimited options when you set your stage. I live in an area with a lot of older farms and farmhouses and I can tell you that a lot of them are absolutely littered with stuff. Shit accumulates over the years on a farm, and a lot of it is just junk that people don't bother to clean out when the owner dies/leaves.

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Quick note on the grave digging+your frozen ground; sorry if this is nit-picky. If both of those things are not essential to your plot, but I'd suggest going with one or the other. Digging in actually frozen dirt is almost impossible, even with equipment. Where I live the ground freezes in winter and we don't even bury dead people until spring.

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I didn't notice any issues with grammar, spelling, or punctuation when I read through, so I'd say you have a pretty solid start.

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These2YootsOP•

Hey, sorry to bug you again. I made a bunch of edits and I'm hoping you'd be willing to give it a quick read again and let me know what you think. You've been so helpful and I'm grateful that you've spent even this much time helping!

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insolent__baker•

Don't worry about bugging me. Critiquing is what we're all here for, and you're giving me a good excuse to procrastinate on the shit I'm supposed to be doing today.

Something about the juxtaposition of the Lancia and the farmhouse made the back of my neck prickle, but I ignored the feeling and pushed forward. I passed a door that wasn't open when we first arrived. I should've noticed it sooner.

I think this is a good way to acknowledge that he's off his game, but could be expanded a little more. Why are you ignoring that feeling, Mr. Badass? He's spec ops. He should know better, and being tired is not a good enough excuse. Give us a good reason to believe he's making shitty calls. We don't need a play-by-play of his thought process, but we need something.

He must have slipped out of Tony's car during the fight.

If this isn't directly relevant information, I'd cut it. I know I said in my first critique that Sneaky needs to come from somewhere, but I think you're better off taking care of that in your staging, which you've done with the doorway. If you've given him someplace to hide, I don't care where he came from. Your MC doesn't care where he came from either, BECAUSE HE'S BUSY BEING HIT BY A BIG ASS PIECE OF WOOD.

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I made a couple comments directly on your doc too. Overall, I like this draft a lot more. It does still feel like something's missing that I can't quite put my finger on, but that could just be because it's a small snippet from a larger scene. Please remember that this is all just the opinion of one asshole on the internet.

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Leslie_Astoray•

Hello. Consider enabling comments in your document. There were numerous thoughts I wanted to add. Generally the blocking of the action is clear, you have researched the physical motions, nice work. There are two areas I think it could be improved. 1) Interaction with environment. The mental image of scene felt limited to man on man in a void. Other than the ground, could there be a collision with an object around them, or something in the environment which gives one of them an advantage. It could be just a moment, but I think it will seat the action better in the setting. 2) The MC reactions to the fight were cliche/shallow. 'My tank was dry' , 'for the first time in my life' , 'not to mess with me anymore'. I think you need to be more creative, original, with these descriptions. Use your voice. Show me images that I haven't seen before. 'Able to take pain like a drunk moose, Rocco lunged again'. 'like a golfer ready to swing', Great, you did this at the end and I got a chuckle out of that. I recently read a Craig Johnson Walt Longmire pulp and he played some of the fight scene's well. Walt always had a colorful perspective of what was occurring in the fights, which made them strong images and also when he was getting his ass kicked, he added self deprecating humor, which made for laughable moments. I didn't get the feeling this was a special ops bro. Those MFs would not be taken out so easily. Their perspective on the fight would be much more sophisticated and strategic. Maybe chat to some combat peeps, and ask them about what they are thinking of during a duel. Best wishes with your work.

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These2YootsOP•

Comments are now enabled. Thanks! And thank you for your thoughts. I like the idea of adding humor, since the narrator inserts humor throughout the story. I'm weary of including too many inner thoughts, since it's supposed to be a quick fight. I'll try to find a balance.

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lechat_125•

I know these things were mentioned before, but to me personally, the only two things that could greatly improve the scene is spatial awareness and shorter sentences. I found all the actions very much clear and clean, it was easy to follow what is happening in the story and also it was energetic and interesting to me. I didn’t find it dull or boring whatsoever. What did prevent me from enjoying this 100% however was how little the environment was explained. I didn’t need you to describe the scenery in details or anything, but some hints and clues about what the setting is would have been nice. It could have helped me visualize the scene way easier and immersing in the universe would have became much easier as well. Sometimes adding just one or two short sentences describing the surrounding areas of the characters or how they interact with it can help tremendously. Another thing I would add is shorter sentences. Reading short sentences sounds punchier and quicker, even sometimes it can recreate an “out of breath “ narration as the character is going through the fight. It helps to move forward with the story in a more exciting way, and it matches the rhythm of the fight scene better. There are times this needs to be slowed down with a rather longer sentence but almost every sentence in this fight scene was more on the longer side. When it takes more time to read a fight scene; it creates a calmer experience which isn’t what you want in this case. That’s all. Nice work overall, I really did enjoy it and Im very much hooked to know what happens next.

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withheldforprivacy•

That was an awesome, action packed scene. I loved it and everything was clear.

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rmb71904•

I did understand most of it... but first here is the no-filter response, that will be followed by the nicer response.

First, where the hell did the 2x4 come from? Unless this dude is a wizard or something and has magic powers to manifest stuff, if that was the case then why not something else like nunchucks or a sword, but, as I assumed in the first go, if this is a normal dude with no magic powers you might want to signal to the reader that he had picked it up.

Secondly, I would appreciate some tempo changes in the writing itself when there are shifts in momentum of the fight or shifts in the characters mental state.

Tertiary and Finally, I would love it if you added a sort of conclusion instead of ending the scene softly, something like chunks of brain matter sprayed across the ground.

Other then those gripes I really thought you did a good job conveying a simple fight scene and I thought the language you used was very fitting for the scene and mood.

I hope your day is going well and you achieve whatever you plan on in the future with this writing!

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Passname357•

Chunks of brain matter would be way too much, and wouldn’t really make sense anyway. He’d be dead so he either wouldn’t see them or he’d be a ghost telling the story. Also, the 2x4 makes sense. It’s a new unfamiliar figure. It’s not magic.

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rmb71904•

Did the dude walk out of the shadows with the 2x4 in hand?

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These2YootsOP•

Thanks for your comment. As I explained in my original post, the setting has already been established earlier in the chapter.

For clarification, the scene takes place in front of an abandoned farmhouse, littered with crap (such as lumber, rocks, empty bottles, etc). So no magic or nunchucks needed!

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rmb71904•

Ok, I definitely didn’t pay attention while reading, sorry for my stupidity

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