Nailed it. (15 minutes about how to kill iconic characters. All about Han really.)
Posted Jun 24, 2021, 10:43 PM UTC
5211
Honestly, he gets the sentiment across but doesn't have much in the way of WHY filmmaking wise. He kind of rambles without having any structural discussions or anything.
He holds up a great example from Star Trek and then just says the sequels are bad, which is true, but not much meat or backing to why it's bad.
Maybe free form interview like that he hasn't had a chance to fully articulate it to himself.
Like he'll, hold up Obi Wan in ANH, there's tons of meaning. It's a meaningful sacrifice, you get the emotional reaction of Luke seeing it and then again later in the Falcon. They breathe with the moment and have an emotional arc for the hero, before the trench run moment and meaning become clear.
Han actually I think had a good reason and good arc for himself, the problem was why the hell do we care about Finn and Reys reaction? They have no real relationship. Do we cut to Leia knowing what happened as it happens? I forget because I haven't watched the garbage in a while. Chewie is angry, okay, but thats it. We should have seen and felt more conflict in Kylo after doing it. Tears and maybe hearing force voices in his head between scenes, a cut to Luke wherever he is dealing with it (can't do that because of their shit decision to sideline Luke).
Have them recover his body, a burial scene ala Qui-Gon or something. The crappy hug was not a weighted emotional response from the people that we needed to see react. Spock and Kirk work because we see Kirk's reaction. We don't get that with Han. Or with Luke. Or with Leia.
3
"He kind of rambles without having any structural discussions or anything."
Because his objective criticisms do not correspond with what is on film: "there isn't a moment when other characters can react to Han Solo's death".
When Han gets stabbed, we see the CLOSE UP of Finn, CLOSE UP of Chewy, CLOSE UP of Rey, CLOSE UPS of Kylo and Han, a push into a CLOSE UP of Leia and a couple of CLOSE UPS of Chewy and Kylo.
Visual storytelling indicates the pain, hurt and conflict that his death causes.
Gore's point is such total shit and I hate that fandom has descended to "I see what I want to see, not what the film actually does."
As for your comparison to TPM, the characters of TFA were guerilla combatants in the middle of enemy territory while those in TPM had battled off enemy invaders. The characters of TFA didn't have the time or opportunity to recover his body.
And I disagree that there is no connection between the new characters and Han: we see him take a shine to them both, offering opportunity to Rey and fatherly advice to Finn. And the immediate aftermath is given, visually, to the two most important people in Han's life: a close up of Kylo and a long take that pushes into Leia.
2
The Leia hugging Rey WAS total bullshit though, let's be honest.
1
How about Ben shedding a tear, but hurriedly wiping it off his face when he realizes it’s there?
1
Welcome to r/saltierthancrait!
Saltier Than Crait is a community of Star Wars fans who engage in critical conversations about the current state of the franchise. It is our goal to maintain a civil, welcoming space for fans who have a vast supply of salt with some peppered positivity occasionally sprinkled in.
Please review the rules and the post flair guide before contributing.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
dude is absolutely right.
1
Great analysis. When the interviewer is talking about test screenings to gauge audience responses, I was reminded of that smug-faced Rian talking about how they were making a film "for themselves" and not with consideration to the fans at large.
I can't stand Kennedy's ideological corruption of the franchise, but Rian really pisses me off more because of the catastrophic damage he did in one single film. I really hope one day the consensus establishes his shitshow for what it is.
1
So how do we fix Han’s death, then?
1
Disagree.
1
"There isn't a moment when other characters can react to Han Solo's death".
When Han gets stabbed, we see the CLOSE UP of Finn, CLOSE UP of Chewy, CLOSE UP of Rey, CLOSE UPS of Kylo and Han, a push into a CLOSE UP of Leia and a couple of CLOSE UPS of Chewy and Kylo.
This is such total shit and I hate that fandom has descended to "I see what I want to see, not what the film actually does."
And there's a lot going on in the scene: Ford and Driver are giving very powerful performances in which you see a lot of tenderness in the former and yearning in the latter. There's the irony that Rey would do anything in the world for a father figure while Kylo would throw away the one he has.
There's also the growth in Han from the OT. In those films, he was willing to sacrifice himself to save his friends' lives. In this film, he is willing to sacrifice himself to save his son's soul, trying to reach out to him in forgiveness even after his stabbing. There's also the agonising grief in Leia losing the love of her life to their child.
This is a scene about parents and children and you can tell that this was written by fathers themselves. I know that this might seem sacriligeous, but I think this scene is a lot more powerful than the earlier one. Tough.
In this video or another, this nitwit complains how children wouldn't be able to cope with Han riding off in the sunset in the previous film only to be killed in this one. This guy honestly doesn't know the first thing about children (or the inner child). Children are resilient and understand that people can be decent, but flawed and it is the trying to be good that should define you.
1
I don’t watch after ROTJ for that reason.