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DGIce

Several advanced civilizations from early seasons never mentioned again

In the early seasons there were several civilizations SG-1 ran away from where at least part of the civilization was hostile. There were also several single characters with advanced technologies they met. Several friendlies just never visited again and several where the gate is buried or planet is dangerous but could now be reached by ship and scanned.

So I guess some of them there would be an interest in just their tech which admittedly probably isn't as good as the asgard/ancient tech. Then others the interest in them would be an industrialized civilization who could be allies in other fights. And perhaps some of those could be explained away as falling to galaxy wide threats like replicators and Ori.

It would be fine if they are ignored in future series but it would also be cool to show how a few of the alliances and civililizations have advanced then have them work together against threats. Or even just a few lines about we got this tech exploring this planet or from this people are always cool.

I think it will be suprising when listed out:

The Nox- Based on their idealogy might only be worth contacting them about diseases

The Ohnes- an advanced fish people from episode fire and water

The Altairan android Harlan's empty planet and android making capabilities

The race that imprisoned Linea in episode "prisoners"- some miscommunication unclear how much tech they had

The virtual reality people from "Game keeper"- okay they actually did get the tech from them and maybe their population was small

The empty planet and race reformed from "message in a bottle"

The empty planet Svoriin infected with bugs from "bane"

The shapeshifting so called spirits who protected the salish in "spirits"

The weather technology on Madrona- apparently hinted to be furling in design

Ma'Chello- I guess we got most of his stuff

Reetou-okay kind of hard to communicate with them

Orbanians- the learning implant people we got the generators from (apparently linked to the giant aliens who also helped the tollan from novel info)

Urgo's creator

The optricians who believe they were brought via stargate could probably use some help against the bedrosians now that earth has ships.

Nicholas ballard is still with the giant aliens from the crystal skull who apparently are helpful

The breeder enemies of the Eurodans (cloning genocide people) probably won and could be useful allies now that they can be visited by ship

Malakai from "window of opportunity" must have originated from somewhere advanced

The sulfur based gadmeer were clearly advanced and their ship should be checked up on to see how the terraforming is going.

The people from the ice planet in "beneath the surface" had some memory tech

the Aschen are still out there, I guess leave them alone.

The aliens who send the ai through in "Entity"

Martin's destroyed homeworld

The Latonan's (the ones with the sentinel who had forgetten how all their technology works)

The dome people from "revisions" with the nueral link tech

The talthuns stasis people from "lifeboat"

The Hebridians from "space race" who Carter learned from

Posted Jun 30, 2021, 7:36 PM UTC

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boogers19•

You can find a few of those in the books. Ole Nic is still with those giant aliens in one book. Turns out the giants were responsible for the Orbanians (Tho they aren’t in the books themselves) and some really minor goa’uld are harassing another human colony of the giants.

There’s a book with the Reetou as the “main” enemy. Also that kid Charlie shows up with a Tok’ra in his head.

I dont think we get the Habridans again. But turns out that one woman prisoner was Vala’s partner in crime for a while. 2 books with her.

Aschen get a book.

The NID end up with Harlan’s android maker thing. They make a whole bunch of SG1s.

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Kalmer1•

Do you know what the book about the Aschen is called?

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boogers19•

Yes. But.

Here's the thing: you're not supposed to know it's the Aschen until like halfway thru. Pretty big spoiler just knowing they are even coming.

So my usual suggestion is to just read all the books, you'll get there soon enough!

In the meantime, here you go, here's the book. Spoilers: >!Relativity!<

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Kalmer1•

Oh okay, then I won't!

Is it the SG1-1 to SG1-32 books? Because I never knew books actually existed and there are some others too that released earlier lol

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boogers19•

Its one of these lol.

https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Fandemonium

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Bigjoemonger•

Nox- Refused to share technology, said humanity was "too young" and appeared in quite a few episodes throughout the series.

Ohnes - they fought the goa'uld for thousands of years and had given up. They weren't interested in meeting the humans.

Harlan - was featured in a second episode. I would say for this all he had to offer was android tech though the methods were crude. I would say they probably looked into it but it didn't go anywhere without a sample to study.

Linea - ifi recall correctly it was stated in the episode those people were very stuck up and had no interest in being friends

Gamekeeper - only tech they had to offer was the chairs which they shared. No further stories to explore.

Message in a bottle - the device nearly destroyed the second, the planet was likely classified off limits

Bugs - perhaps once they had ships and could kill the bugs, but still very dangerous

Salish - that planet became a major source of trinium used to build ships. No longer hostile there wasn't really any story left to tell.

Madrona - in the featured episode they were nearly destroyed. They did not build the tech, just used it. So had no further tech to study and after the issue with it being stolen it became off limits. However the planet was mentioned on one or more occasions as a potential refugee relocation site. Until I believe it got destroyed by the ori.

Machello - all of his notes were destroyed or encrypted so all his stuff is probably still being studied. They did come across one of his inventions in a later episode that put Daniel in the mental hospital.

Reetou - both visual and communication barrier, probably best to leave it be.

Orbanians - were critical to naquadah reactor production. They became close allies and were mentioned I believe also when the ori invaded.

Hebridians - earth developed ties with that civilization but it also fell to the Ori

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DarkLuxray5•

There's also SG3? I think? They are still stuck on the planet with the black hole, as soon as they could get ships or ask an ally, they could've gone picked them up as the time dilation effect of the black hole would have meant hundreds of years would have passed before they get ripped apart.

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jew658•

That would have been an interesting episode

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missingmytowel•

That's because this show is all about the McGuffin. Use them. Move on and don't mention them again unless you need them again. Not just single episodes but each season and the series as a whole

The entire show had a giant McGuffin in the Naqueda generator. It always managed to break down at precisely the right time. Then every other episode there is a McGuffin walking through the Stargate in the opening scene or they meet one within a couple minutes of reaching a new planet.

Some people were cast as McGuffins. Jacob, Bra'tac, Vala (until they made her a reoccurring character) etc

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DGIceOP•

What's the opposite of a McGuffin? Are there any things in stargate that aren't McGuffin's?

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Flyinghogfish•

A McGuffin just refers to something that's tied to the plotline but doesn't have any particular use beyond that. It just exists to move the plot to desired place.

I agree with what he said although, I'd say that the first few seasons were made almost as standalone episodes and later on they switched to a more season plot driven narrative. The team stopped visiting "random planets" and started following the bread crumb trail to the next part of the bigger story. In some episodes it wasn't always clear that's what was happening until the end of the episode where it becomes clear that the lesson learned or tech procured will propel them into a new phase of the overall season storyline.

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VegasKL•

I'd say that the first few seasons were made almost as standalone episodes and later on they switched to a more season plot

I've read that somewhere. The first episodes were episodic, presented as a weekly adventure, but there was a shift to try and make it long form with season long plot arcs. I think it made the show better, to be honest. You still get the throwaway or occasional bottle episode to pad the season out (20+ episodes is a long season), but it makes for a more satisfying ride.

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sci-prof_toronto•

It also makes sense in world, since initially they really had to blindly explore. Only after a critical mass of exploring and awareness can you start to operate more strategically.

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missingmytowel•

The opposite of a MacGuffin is a Red Herring. The former takes you to a conclusion with no substance while the latter has both a climax and a conclusion. The Gould was the red herring. The main plot point of suspense and action.

One thing that's hard to do in cinema but Stargate excels at is being able to turn McGuffins into Red Herrings and vice versa.

Lord B'all was a Red Herring with a standing role that reached a proper climax and conclusion. Then they kept bringing him back as a McGuffin to add suspense when needed.

Jacob was a McGuffin when they created a single episode that was very personal to Samantha. Her dad was dying. Very dramatic episode. But then after they saved him they kept bringing him back every few episodes as a Red Herring involved with the resistance that would herald that something was very wrong.

Even in Atlantis. Lieutenant Ford was a Red Herring then every now and then he would McGuffin his way back onto the show for an action-packed episode

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tqgibtngo•

Huh, interesting.

Wikipedia sayeth:
"a red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or audiences toward a false conclusion.

"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion."

The Gould [sic] was the red herring

Did the Goa'uld constitute "a false clue that leads audiences towards a false conclusion"?

Lord B'all [sic] was a Red Herring

Was Ba'al presented as "a false clue that leads audiences towards a false conclusion"?

Jacob
Lieutenant Ford

Were they presented as false clues that led audiences towards false conclusions?

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missingmytowel•

Oh... Wikipedia. I guess you owned me. Whatever shall I do?

Maybe use Webster

something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting.

I know you are fixated on the word clue because that's what wickipedia said but that's not all there is to it. Especially does not equal only. Sorry.

As far as the answer to all your questions it's yes. The show was jam-packed full of constant false conclusions. They relied on people coming back even after death over and over to drum up suspense.

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Byerly724•

I don’t see how your use of red herrings are misdirections. Most of your examples are core plot points of episodes. Goa’uld as red herrings? They are a pivotal piece of the main story arc for the first like 8 seasons. What false conclusions did they give us? (Except their own references to being gods)

A red herring would have been something like them hinting about The Furlings but no substance or plot point ever develops them further.

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[deleted]•

If you really kept all those different civilizations around for extensive storyline use, the mythology would be so convoluted it'd be like The X-Files by the time the fifth season rolled around.

There'd be no trouble, say, with pulling something out as a deus ex machina ("Hey those guys on P3X-666 have a doomaflotchie that'd knock out these replicators!") and get it.

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