To All: Detailed pickings of Aquinas' First Way #3: Two Different Causal Series

NOTE: THIS IS LESS OF A DEBATE THREAD AND MORE OF AN EXPLANATORY THREAD, FOR EASY LATER REFERENCE. THE AIM OF THIS THREAD IS TO GIVE READERS PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ARGUMENT, NOT NECESSARILY TO DEBATE ITS TRUTH VALUE.

Accidentally Ordered Causal Series

The latin name for this is per accidens. In this type of causal series, A is causing B which is causing C. But after A causes B, then B has its own power to cause C. Each member of the series does its own work.

An example would be a hen laying an egg, which then hatches and grows up into an adult hen which lays another egg. Each hen has its own power to generate a new egg. This type of causal series could, in principle, go back forever into the past. NOTE: For this reason among others, Aquinas rejected the Kalam cosmological argument's attempt to argue that there must be a beginning to everything.

Aquinas explains in the Summa Theologica:

...it is not impossible to proceed to infinity "accidentally" as regards efficient causes...as an artificer acts by means of many hammers accidentally, because one after the other may be broken.

You might think of this as a "horizontal" causal series, extending back into the past.

Essentially Ordered Causal Series

The latin name for this is per se. In this type of causal chain, A is causing C by way of intermediate B. B only has the power to pass the causal power along from A to C. It can't generate C by itself. The only one doing any work here is A.

An example might be a series of mirrors bouncing a laser light. The end effect (say, the laser spot on the wall) is C, the mirrors are all Bs, and the only one doing any work is A. The mirrors cannot generate their own laser light; they can only pass it along from previous mirrors and ultimately from the actual laser itself.

What is important to note is that with this series, if the chain of Bs were an infinitely long chain, then there would in effect be no A and hence nothing would be happening to C. So if something is happening to C, then no matter how many Bs there are, there must be an A somewhere down the chain.

Aquinas explains in the Summa Theologica:

...it is impossible to proceed to infinity "per se"--thus, there cannot be an infinite number of causes that are "per se" required for a certain effect; for instance, that a stone be moved by a stick, the stick by the hand, and so on...

You might think of this as a "vertical" causal series, because it is happening in the present.

This Concludes #3

All of Aquinas' Five Ways involve an essentially ordered series, and are thus "vertical", not "horizontal." Whether the universe began to exist or not is irrelevant. His Ways all involve a first cause as in "first in order of importance", or holding up the whole stack. Not first in the past, like the Kalam Cosmological argument attempts to argue.

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Posted Jan 14, 2012, 8:35 AM UTC · edited

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LynusBorgatheist•

Pro Tipp: Add Links to the other parts of the series to the bottom of each part. makes it easier to find and navigate them once they leave the subreddit's frontpage in the future.

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hammiesinkOP•

Ja. You read my mind.

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LynusBorgatheist•

I assume the links are currently only potential and you will actualize them after you finished the series? ;)

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hammiesinkOP•

Nope. Already actualized!

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LynusBorgatheist•

Ah, I see .. those are only links forward, from #1 to #2, from #2 to #3

I thought more to include all links in every thread, or at least link back and forth ...

So there's still some potential to actualize!

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DrPhillyHumanist | Batmanist | WatchMod | Vigilante | Pickle•

I know it's only been 20 minutes, but I still only see potential here. I'd like to read the other parts, but until you actualize this potentiality, I fear I will remain sad and alone.

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NeilBlackchristian•

Interesting. I had some questions, but then I answered them myself by re-reading. >.<

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simat6•

Part 4 is where I believe the first Major issue lies, but I won't jump the gun.

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compilingatheist•

I'm having trouble telling the difference between per accidens and per se series.

A family has a book that they pass down through the generations, father to son. Is the passing of the book per se?

Same as above, except each generation makes a copy of the book, which is passed on. Is this one per accidens because they make a complete copy of the book?

Same as above, except the book is written in Latin, so they don't know what's actually written in it (they just do a blind copy). Is this per accidens or per se?

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hammiesinkOP•

Those are all per accidens. Each family has its own power to give the book to the next generation, and can sit on the book for as long as they want before giving it to the next generation. Even though they had to be given the book from the previous member, they have their own independent power to give the book to the next member. Same as chicken and egg. This passing could have been going from infinity past. Nothing about it demands a first member.

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compilingatheist•

So if you had solar powered torches instead of mirrors, then this would also be per accidens?

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hammiesinkOP•

I'm not sure what you mean. The point to consider is if each member has its own causal power or not. Mirrors cannot generate laser light. Only the laser can. Take out the laser, and the whole thing stops. In your book passing example, each member has as much power to generate his "book passing" as the previous members do. You can't stop the book passing by removing one of the earlier passers.

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compilingatheist•

I think I get it. The only difference is that the mirror example is continuous. If the mirrors were only reflecting a laser impulse, then it becomes per accidens because they can be safely removed after they reflect it (suppose that the duration of the impulse is less then the time it takes to travel to the next mirror).

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