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Axume4

Let’s talk about Mew and IVs

Strategy & Analysis :great-league: Great League

Hello everyone,

I thought this is a topic worthy of discussion. It’s been a while but the amazing u/jre47 has done multiple write ups on Mew. I believe the most recent one was on Kanto Cup. I refer you to his guide for a thorough analysis. To JRE, this is by no means asking for an updated post :p.

Anyway, what spurred this topic is that I recently caught my shiny Mew. To my dismay, the one I caught is a 13-10-13. My first Mew was a 15-10-15. To give you an idea of how terrible the situation is, in both GL and UL, both Mew have the exact same defense while the first one has more Attack and more HP. The shiny Mew is a strict downgrade. The numbers also suck with 1457 in GL and 2458 in UL.

Now I know many of you are thinking “this isn’t a big deal, so don’t stress about it”. I’m not really stressed but I am let down. All I really wanted for GL was a Surf Mew that can beat a good IV Gfisk. Since my first can’t, my shiny one also can’t, being a strict downgrade in terms of stats. It also has a terrible matchup against Skarmory. Those are both very common Pokémon.

I’ve never used Mew in UL so I have no idea what matchups would work. In UL, it seems there’s a bunch of very close matchups that my Mew can’t overcome. Mainly Articuno, and Gengar. A good IV Mew can flip those matchups. I can’t change the moves to flip Articuno with Rock Slide instead of Wild Charge but it leaves me exposed to other threats.

This leaves me with a question: If I’m only ever given two Mews over the lifetime of the game, will I ever be able to use Mew to its full potential? One solution is IV modifying items. I’m fully in support of this and it is inline with the main series. I don’t care if it’s only IV increasing items, I just want to pump up a couple stats to bring my second Mew closer to 1500. Another solution is to get Mew in raids so we can catch multiples, even if we can’t trade them. Precedent for mythicals is Deoxys and Darkrai. I know Mew is classified differently but now we have two so a few more isn’t out of the question.

Again, this isn’t the biggest deal in the world. Mew is still perfectly usable and My 15-10-15 has served my well in GL. It just sucks that IV points stand in the way of competitive play like this and limit our options.

So what does your Mew look like? Did you successfully get ones that match your expectations? Any matchups your Mew can’t overcome? Let’s discuss.

To mods: can we please have a discussion flare? I know this sub isn’t big on discussion and posts can just disappear without warning, but we really need a place to discuss general PvP and this seems like a good sub for it. If this isn’t appropriate, just direct me to another sub where this can work. Thanks.

Posted Jul 11, 2021, 12:49 AM UTC · edited

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wishmkrTV•

Remote Hyper Training Passes are an obvious partial solution that both represent the tradition of the series and of this game in particular to monetize everything possible. It is a wonder why they don’t exist already.

In a more sleazy mobile way, they could even make them reroll 4096 combinations at $1 each rather than hyper training to the maximum as the main series games do.

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Chasing_Polaris•

IV changing items as raid and premium GBL pass rewards. Change my mind.

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jostler57•

YES PLEASE! My 2 Mews are the same issue as OP's.... really frustrating.

And while we're at it... we need purchasable DE-powering items.

My phone was overheating while I powered up a Cresselia for UL... ended up overshooting it by just 1 power up due to some laggy animations. Now my 2514 CP Cresselia just sits there crying in the corner with nothing to do.

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Axume4OP•

I really don’t want to see the sleazy option ever :p. I would be up for a random reroll for raid caught Pokémon for a much smaller number of combinations (base 10 IV points, 216 possible combinations if I’m doing the right math).

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FilthyHipsterScum•

You mean 4096 rerolls at $10 each right? Or are you new here?

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hopeless_weeb67•

Get one reroll, get the other one half off! (But we increase the prices so you’re still paying the same amount, even more if we feel like it)(we’re not including that in the description)

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Hiker-Redbeard•

A suggestion I saw on a previous similar post I liked was to let the mythical quests be repeatable (but all rewards are removed). Each time you go through the full quest line you get 1 bottle cap to change 1 IV a point for that mythical.

That way it's still exciting if you get a good IV one, but you're not totally screwed if you get a bad one, you just need to put in the work to fix it (gives players something more to work on). It also doesn't open up the Pandora's box of custom IVs on every Pokemon since it's limited to mythicals only

I also got a garbage Mew I'd really like to change it (and Victini).

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Axume4OP•

Man I love this suggestion. I honestly wouldn’t mind something like bottle caps for distributed mythicals only. That way we can only change IVs on things where we only get 1 or 2.

However, a big part of the main series is breeding and customizing your own Pokémon down to the IVs and EVs. I wouldn’t mind that level of rigor in building Pokémon in Go instead of catching and praying.

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Hiker-Redbeard•

breeding and customizing your own Pokémon

True, but since Go is about collecting and hunting for Pokemon, I get why they might not want to allow that. Why do a ton of raids to get that hundo legendary when you can stop after a few and invest bottle caps to hundo your 93%? From a money making perspective it's a lot better to not allow it for all Pokemon.

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Axume4OP•

Yeah I get that. Though the idea is to give bottle caps very very rarely. Kinda like they give elite TMs, or one every season. That way no one will really max a 93% but a 98% can be maxed every 3 months. It’s about balancing competitiveness with the paid nature of the game.

I mean if you look at any other aspect of the game a 93% is equal to 100%. It really only makes a difference in PvP with very few Pokémon like Mew here or Dialga in ML.

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Hiker-Redbeard•

That's true. It would also allow a little customization for other hardly obtainable things, like Spiritomb or regionals that you might only ever get one of.

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Derpsquire•

I can't speak much to the GL tier due to minimal experience, but I am one of those uncommon folks who has become intimate with an UL Mew, and all of my comments are intended for that league.

My original Mew turned out to be a 13/10/12. I have no idea what GL cp it would have been, because I powered it up with the given candies for gits and shiggles long before pvp existed. For UL, turned out it weighed in at an attractive 2498. Tbh, I've never actually ran it through any pvpoke sims. Literally none. To me, Mew is a pokemon so diverse and nuanced in performance that I consider the sims and detailed IV analysis to be largely irrelevant. I would even go so far as to say that the highest win % movesets aren't necessarily what you want, because success will always be most associated with a moveset that synergizes with the rest of your team. Skillful baiting will also require you to know the SC count to at least half a dozen of Mew's most desirable charge moves (and you WILL want SC). The moveset synergy I emphasize also extends to what role your Mew will fulfill, because coverage against Mew's natural foes will be amplified in the safe switch role. Almost none of this will ever be affected by IVs, at least in terms of UL bulk scaling.

I personally ran a SC + Wild Charge/Flame Charge build, which maintained strong coverage and respectable damage output. Giratina A and the Goon were the obvious open UL walls, so my team is rounded out with a MB/FS Cress and the infamous flying fairy. My traditional orientation was Mew as lead, although Togekiss lead with Cress as safe swap and Mew as my closer was also navigable without changing up the double charge moveset (the pacing was soooo different though). There were plenty of close matches, but my Mew was hardly a bulk machine, so I feel pretty confident asserting that UL matchups are not likely to be affected by Mew's IVs. This team hit Legend without much issue two seasons ago. General PoGo burnout and exhaustion from work have kept me from playing consistently lately, so sadly I have yet to nab my shiny Mew, but I have my fingers crossed for a good GL spcimen.

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Axume4OP•

Man I’m jealous of the 2498CP :p. Honestly all I wanted is a Mew that can nicely fill those CP pants but 2458 is not a nice looking number at all.

I also had never looked at Mew sims.. until today. I looked because I wanted to see if my shiny Mew would get any stats over my other one.. and it doesn’t. I saw all the matchup differences out of curiosity.

Best of luck on your shiny Mew!

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TortCourt•

I got 14/10/12 on my first one (rank 213 out of 216, 1460 CP) and 11/13/14 on my shiny (rank 189, 1456 CP), so I absolutely feel your pain. It's such a disappointment to be locked out of an incredibly versatile mon because you only get two chances at it. And, not for nothing, my Jirachi tops out at 1459 CP, so that's of the table, too.

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GR7ME•

I get what u guys are saying and I’m also hyperfocused on IVs. But I think with single or double obtainable mythicals, ur overthinking it. You only get one, so just roll with it! If you play well enough, you can overcome what the sims say you’ll lose. Cover your losses with other mons if possible. My shiny Mew is rank 2 (10-15-13) for GL and rank 1 for UL, but I powered up my pink one to 2485 or whatever it hit way before pvp as well. I might try it out in Ultra if I can stock up on TMs and dust, but I need to invest more in Masters. I love watching KiengIV cover PoGo Raids Masters tourneys where people run their maxed Mews, and I really want to eventually max my regular Mew, 13-13-11, because why overthink it? I only got one, and it’s better than my shiny, which I need for Great League anyways. It wouldn’t hurt to double move the bad boys in hopes for IV changers later. If they never come, you’ve got your Mew (or Jirachi!) and it’s stuck as is, but it’s by all means viable despite IV set!

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riverrat88•

I get what you’re saying but my mew comes in at 212/216 at 1457cp. It’s actually so bad That it loses matches it should win, and I have to try to overcome its uselessness.

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TortCourt•

The disappointment doesn't stem from seeing the sims and then deciding not to use it; the disappointment is from spending the resources and TMs to get Mew double moved and outfitted with the right moveset, and then seeing it barely lose matchups that it should win handily. PVP is played on the margins - one HP is the difference between winning and losing. I can't tell you how many times I've lost a game because my objectively terrible Mew got farmed down and died on its fifth Shadow Claw instead of surviving to throw a final move.

In this case, "playing well enough to overcome what the sims say I'll lose" means simply playing a different Pokémon.

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Ban-Fox_Sin_of_Greed•

Just out of curiosity, where do you guys get these rankings for your mew? Stadiumgaming just shows an unrealistic 0/10/13 mew as number 1

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TortCourt•

On most of those sites you can set the minimum IVs to raid/egg/research, and then it will give you a ranking based on those limited ranges.

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Reginald5414•

Mine is 15-10-12, which gets to 1466 cp. I managed to get 3466 elo with it last season, 109 on the leaderboard. But that was in a themed cup where my moveset just cracked the meta. In the open format where people generally know what you’re running, it’s been pretty bad.

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Axume4OP•

Wow man congrats on placing that high on the LB! Yeah I think IVs only really play a major role if you’re running the typical moveset (WC/Surf). Running Overheat can almost one shot Gfisk which is pretty awesome and overcomes the problem.

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Axume4OP•

Oh I forgot the 2nd one was paid. Sorry man about the maxed one. All the best!

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PlaneFormal7529•

I feel like a horrible person. My original mew is a rank 1 and I powered it up past the cp cap before pvp. Stat changing items and power-down items would be awesome.

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Axume4OP•

Oh man.. I’m so sorry. Can you at least use it in UL?

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PlaneFormal7529•

Thankfully yes, it’s still a rank 4. I just feel bad for everyone else who got one that maxes at 1460 or whatever

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A7xrawks90•

Mine is 10/14/15. I got super excited when I got it….then I realized it misses the power up and lands at 1456. Honestly though, I’ve been running rock slide and focus blast on it and it makes for a goated safe swap.

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GreatestWhiteShark•

Yeah, mine is at 1457. One power up and it hits 1502, a bunch more and it hits 2459 then 2504. That sucks! And what sucks more is knowing that if it was exactly 1 worse in just 1 stat, this wouldn't be a problem

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Axume4OP•

Man that’s rough. If it makes you feel any better, the stat product is higher than mine in UL.

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scott1686•

My shiny Mew actually has identical IVs to my normal Mew, at 13-15-10 which is pretty bad. So I completely agree that we should be able to change them somehow. I even complained to Niantic support that I got the same IVs but of course they didn't do anything.

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Axume4OP•

Man that’s disappointing.

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xTETSUOx•

Dude, I hit Legend two seasons ago by using my non-shiny Mew with 14-11-15 IV’s and 1473 cp. in fact, I got there by praying for and beating as many Gfisk as I could because my Mew always get to the Surf in the 2s. If my Mew with its stats can do that, not sure why yours can’t? Are you sure that you weren’t getting microlags that let Gfisk get invisible mud shots through?

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Axume4OP•

I could win the 2 shields no problem. I could also win if they bait. I didn’t reach legend with mine because I ditched Mew and replaced it with Pelipper and hit legend with that team but Mew helped me climb all the way to 2900~. I was using Gfisk, Venu, and Mew/Pelipper.

The problem was when I don’t have 2 shields, I just realized today that a better Mew can win the 1 shield against typical IVs Gfisk. Our Mews can beat the top IV ones though because the EQ doesn’t KO.

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xTETSUOx•

Oh okay I see what you mean now. On paper (pvpoke) my 14-11-15 can, in theory, beat Gfisk in the 1s though: https://pvpoke.com/battle/1500/mew-16-14-11-15-4-4-1-0/stunfisk_galarian/11/8-25-22/1-4-1/

Problem was, at least for me, Gfisk gets one MS head start and it flips to a loss so that's why I've never counted on that win actually happening unless I have a 99% hp mew against the Gfisk at the tail end of the match. Unfortunately, in such scenarios Mew tend to get chunked down and rarely at near full health so it flips to a loss. So I think that even with a good IV mew it'd still be a loss, at least for me.

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Axume4OP•

That’s a very weird sim you got there, Gfisk throws 2 rockslides and dies with a full one charged. The ideal scenario, Gfisk should go straight EQ and win: https://pvpoke.com/battle/1500/stunfisk_galarian/mew-16-15-10-15-4-4-1-0/11/1-1-0/8-25-22/

Now a good IV Mew would survive with quite a bit of health: https://pvpoke.com/battle/1500/stunfisk_galarian/mew-16.5-10-15-13-4-4-1-0/11/1-1-0/8-25-22/

Its weird but that extra bit of defense actually gets you a very comfortable Gfisk matchup with a good margin of error.

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InclementBias•

this most certainly is a big deal, and matters for a game that tries to present competition via pvp. not having good PVP IVs OR having a high IV specimen is really common, where Mew could be used in all 3 leagues + MLC

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Procrastinista_423•

I got a 15/15/15 one. Haven’t used it in GL yet

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Axume4OP•

Man.. take that one to ML please. That’s what it wants!

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Procrastinista_423•

Well ok! I didn’t realize Mew was so good in Master. I have barely dipped my toe into that League

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BrknTrnsmsn•

Master league, pronto. Best lead ever

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Procrastinista_423•

Good to know!

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KBouch47•

Got a 10/10/10 and was never more disappointed.

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Axume4OP•

Don’t be! A 10-10-10 is fantastic for UL. It has a pretty high stat product, reaches 2499CP, and can do some awesome things compared to lower CP ones that don’t squeeze as many stats as this one.

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KBouch47•

Wow okay! Thank you!

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[deleted]•

Mine gets to 2457, do I win for worst IV mew? 12/10/15

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Axume4OP•

Pretty close to my 13-10-13. At 2458 :(.

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CommonError3184•

15 10 10 at rank 216 sadly holds that record in GL, but at rank 194 you're right there!

OP is at rank 207, so... definitely OP's trophy this time for worse mew, but you'd both win against most people

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imbiat•

This. Please let me pay to de-level my mew. It sits at 2515 CP. I powered it up before pvp.

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papereel•

I got a 15/13/13 and a 14/13/15 - not really sure whether either are good for PVP. I figured not for ultra or great because of the high attack, and not for master because of the missing bulk on the 15/13/13 and missing attack on the 14/13/14.

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Axume4OP•

The 15-13-13 is OK for OK for GL. Both are good for UL with a 2490~ CP and decent stat products.

With Mew it really doesn’t matter if you’re missing bulk IVs, you just want something close to 1500 or 2500 so you can squeeze as many stats as possible. A 1450CP mew misses a lot of stats due to the CP limit.

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papereel•

How would the 14/13/15 be for GL? (It’s my shiny and I play GL more :) )

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Axume4OP•

They’re really close, it has 1 more HP the other one has 1 more attack. This one is 1479, the other one is 1480. It’s honestly your call. Both are decent for UL as well.

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papereel•

Thanks!

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lazyboy0337•

I feel, my Mews are 13-10-10 and 10-12-13. Nasty stuff

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Axume4OP•

10-12-13 is a great GL Mew. A few points off front he top IVs.

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StefanEijg•

Both my Mew IV's were pretty bad, but I maxed both anyway. It's a joy to use in PvP and having two makes the TN situation easier.

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EntropyAtLarge•

I feel this post so much. Ive got a perfect mew 15/15/15 and as pretty as it is I feel like I cant get the most out of it

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Axume4OP•

Take it to ML! Seriously!

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EntropyAtLarge•

Im only lvl 38 and dont think I could compete with the XLs out there

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Axume4OP•

ML Classic is pretty good.

Btw 15-15-15 is pretty good for Great League.

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EntropyAtLarge•

And theres the rub. Sure ML classic i could probably get her too but its only around for like 2 weeks a season and then Ill never have another mew for great league.

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stickfigurescalamity•

me too. i sent it to swsh and keep it there as a 5 iv mew

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