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pongo

To US An-Caps: Is there a better short-term strategy than making money and bailing? Any ex-pats out there?

An-cap here thinking long-term with the system as-is. I'm in college. And I like hyphens: -bam-bam-!

There really doesn't seem to be a big reason to stick around, aside from paying off debts. Any minority political position is negated (like libertarian or even small stuff like being anti-war) and even small victories seem to be hard-at-hand. So, it seems to me the best strategy is to put yourself into the position to make the most money and then bail to someplace else where, even in a statist society, it is less statist than the US.

Have any US ancaps in this subreddit actually done it? [no fbi]

Posted Feb 11, 2012, 7:56 AM UTC

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Leynal030Bowtie!•

http://sailboatdiaries.com/wordpress/

Not my blog. It's the blog of mf_sovereignty another redditor. That's similar to my ultimate goal however. Hoping to have a good sized sailboat within 5 years or so then take off and travel the world. Gotta deal with government during the times that you entire port and such, but other than that you're basically the sovereign of your life and free to do whatever you want. I'm thinking I may build more of a sailing barge rather than traditional sailboat, but that's all up in the air right now. At the moment I'm saving money, paying off the last bit of my debt, then putting plans in motion :-)

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pongoOP•

Thanks for this! It gives me a lot of hope, and a not-too-out-of-reach goal :)

I hope that someday a bunch of an-caps will get an aircraft carrier and there will be many beers and many trees.

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thinkchip•

That's Seasteading (also see Blueseed Project). Also, Honduras is creating a "charter city" like Hong Kong.

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theorymeltfoolAgorist/voluntarist•

What about agorism? By saving up, and eventually owning a small business and/or doing things 'on the side' you can effectively create wealth for yourself and your customers without giving any money to the state.

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zflVoluntarist•

and then bail to someplace else where, even in a statist society, it is less statist than the US

Like here?

As you can see, the U.S. may have its problems but it's still in the top 10 "freeist" countries.

I'm not convinced "bailing out" anywhere is practical or even necessary really. With enough wealth and influence (bought with your wealth) you can make yourself (relatively) safe just about anywhere. That's what wealth is--freedom.

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KantLockeMeIn•

Economic freedom doesn't imply social freedom follows.

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zflVoluntarist•

Money greases all palms. Who is at the top of all tyrannical, statist regimes? The rich. Do you think the oppressive social rules/laws of North Korea apply to their leaders?

Wealth in a truly economically free society is social freedom.

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thinkchip•

Check the dollar vigilante blog and the three flag strategy they talk about. Also Casey's gulch in Argentina. That's the stuff I'm looking at, starting to consider expat'ing.

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Skyler827Forget roads, who will build the flying cars?•

I personally toyed with the thought of moving to Somalia and a few other countries, but really, just from my preliminary research, it would have a very high personal/social cost and the options are not very good. Somalia, while improving, is still industrially backward, the Asian tagers have a high cost of living (not to mention the language barrier). Australia, New Zealand and Canada might be potential choices, but there is no place like the United States, even with all of its interventions. The economic systems, by themselves, of Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ultimately very similar. However, there are lots of ways to get around state intervention, such as using bitcoins/gold/silver, working off the grid, etc. All of these are facilitated by a strong libertarian culture, which is comparatively strong in the United States.

The Free State has an even stronger concentration of libertarians and anarchists. I actually plan to move there in a few years. If you are looking for a fertile ground to plant the seeds of liberty, there is a lot of work and frankly a lot of potential there.

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Jordoom•

The big question is... to where? Mark Steyn, for example, left Denmark for Canada... and then left Canada for New Hampshire.

As a Canadian, I'm looking pretty longingly at the Granite State myself.

America's federalist and democratic-republican traditions make it prime breeding ground.

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StrangeringStrangerous Thoughts•

It's called anarcho-capitalism because the solution will come from the class of capitalists.

Join a capitalist organization with a promising future. Maybe it will "bail" to someplace else with you. Who knows?

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