Bigender/genderfluid (and to extent, other trans people), do you ever just... snap back? And how do you handle it?

First, bit of context.

I'm AMAB. I've questioned things about my gender for 15 years or so, and there are meaningful "signs" all the way back through my life. But, I never thought of myself as anything but cis.

Early this December, something clicked after some conversations and some research and some weirdness. In like 48 hours from a Very Important Conversation with a stranger, I told myself "heck with it, I'm probably never gonna be 100% certain I'm trans, anything from 51% to 99% is enough". I called it my "51% principle", and it gave me comfort.

Don't wanna bore you *or* summarise more than three weeks of intense soul-searching, research, conversations and help from my friends (who are wonderful and kept me going) with excessive briefness.

But, that 51% usually went closer to 90%. I was not sure if I was bigender or genderfluid, and I considered the possibility I might actually be a trans woman, or close enough to call myself that. The only thing I knew I probably am not (even less so than the "cis" assumption. Cissumption?) is non-binary. It doesn't feel right, all my feelings about gender - whichever one - are very much rooted in the gender binary.

Point is, it was a lot, but it was viscerally, meaningfully real. Whatever it was.

I came out to quite a few people online, and a few real-life friends, as well as my wife. I felt I was going forward. Slowly, but excited for whatever I might end up discovering.

And then today happened.

If I didn't remember the feelings and thoughts I've had, I would say with no hesitation that I'm a cis man, if someone asked me right now. It doesn't feel like my old "but I must be cis!" kind of denial. I don't *feel* anything female in my mind. If I didn't remember the last few weeks pretty well, I'd think there's not even a question as to that. I don't even miss those feelings. But I miss the feeling of missing them?

Maybe that's what being genderfluid is like, I honestly don't know. But I don't feel excitement about it. I don't feel anything. I'm a very emotional person always and this December, more than once I felt like I'd blown my emotional fuse, and I felt numb. But this does not feel like "numb". I'm not recovering from excessive emotion. I'm just on a "nothing" level.

And it's an ugly feeling. I don't miss the excess and inner turmoil of the past weeks. But I miss a feeling of direction and purpose and discovery. I don't know if this is dysphoria (it's different from anything else in my life I've identified as dysphoria), or if it's a depressive state due to brain overload (I did have to catch up on 15 years of complicated feelings in like a month), or if it's just a normal reaction to my AGAB - after all, what I've always publically been, what I've been socialised as, is not going to be that exciting.

But on the other hand - if I'm bigender or genderfluid, shouldn't I feel some connection, some satisfaction over my male gender, if it exists? I felt actual gender euphoria over feeling male (rare, but still) when I was half-ready to believe I'm a woman. Surely I should feel SOME gender euphoria now that I can't think of myself as anything else than a man?

Does anyone else experience that? Is that normal? Is that denial or just part of not being a one-gender-fits-all person? What should I look for in terms of feelings of thoughts to recenter myself? If feeling like a man at the moment is a real feeling, why is it packed in this sort of numbness? This doesn't feel right.

And how do I keep myself from gaslighting myself into thinking the past month didn't happen? Because I'm sure of what I felt. I gave myself permission to believe myself, but that "myself" feels like a stranger, and I'm afraid I'm about to revoke that permission.

I'm sorry this is excessively dramatic, but out of any questions or rants I've ever wanted to write on this subreddit (and there were many), this is the first time I genuinely have no clue how to proceed.

Posted Dec 28, 2021, 11:19 AM UTC

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diyfoutrans lady, 33•

I don’t identify as bigender/genderfluid, so take this with a grain of salt, but all that interior abstract “do I feel more like a man or a woman?” soul-searching never helped me much (although god knows I did my agonizing fair share of it, for years). All my progress came from just doing concrete things that I really wanted to try - growing my hair out, “pretending” to be a girl online, buying tops from the womens department, making an appointment for HRT - and worrying about what that meant for my identity later. I’m well into transition and I still don’t really know what it means to “feel like” a man or a woman.

Are you in therapy? That lack of feeling you describe sounds a bit like depression to me. It can be helpful to talk to someone even if it’s not explicitly about gender stuff. (But it is good to find someone who has worked with trans people before, just because those who haven’t can be shockingly ignorant about this stuff.)

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OddtailOP•

Thank you for your comment.

Framing progress as actually doing things makes a lot of sense to me, and you're far from the first person to tell me that. I *am* trying to figure out what I want to do, and how. But first, it's all very scary, and second... I dunno. I always live much, if not most of my life in my head. I like to understand and categorise and label things. It's not just a mental exercise to me, it's how I navigate life - in everything, not just in my transness or possible lack thereof. I genuinely get annoyed at people who say stuff like "screw labels", because I need my labels and no-one is taking them away from me. I acknowledge and understand some people don't really need them, but I do.

On the other hand - yeah, I can't move forward in a meaningful way based on feelings alone. So your comment does help in that I think it shows me that I maybe need to stop navel-gazing for a while, and find one small, practical thing to focus on actually DOING, even symbolically? So thanks for the advice.

As to therapy - I'm definitely considering it, and I was considering it for other reasons before this whole "gender" thing blew up in my face. But you know, maybe, how it is. As long as there is no immediate crisis, there's always too little time and money for therapy, and I always thought of myself as resilient enough (yes, I know this is extremely toxic and useless an attitude. I know). Now I'm pretty sure I need to figure out how to fit therapy in my schedule and finances. Although personally, I don't think depression's an issue in my case. Maybe I'm in a brief depressive period. But I don't recognise any signs of depression in myself long-term, and I've thought about it long and hard, many times, over the years.

(then again, I said the same thing about being trans, so who knows. Maybe I just know myself less than I'd thought in more ways than just one)

Again, thanks so much for the comment.

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diyfoutrans lady, 33•

I can definitely relate to spending a lot of time in my own head. Like, I’m a furry, and the first 10+ years of my gender exploration stuff were all in the context of drawing and roleplaying characters who did not and could not exist. I kept that stuff private from absolutely everyone, totally compartmentalized from the rest of my life, until one day I actually thought about what it might actually mean and basically had a breakdown. And the fact that what I really, truly wanted was obviously an impossible fantasy made it harder to figure out that I could still have some of it, which was a lot better than nothing.

Just to give you a sense of the timeline, I had my “wait, am I actually a girl?” revelation in early 2017, didn’t tell a single soul about it until 2019, and didn’t start actively transitioning until early 2020.

It takes time to work through this stuff, especially if it’s been building up for years and years. Therapy helped. Another thing that helped, maybe even more, was to find a community of people a lot like me and realize that I wasn’t as weird and lonely as I thought.

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OddtailOP•

I can definitely relate to spending a lot of time in my own head. Like, I’m a furry, and the first 10+ years of my gender exploration stuff were all in the context of drawing and roleplaying characters who did not and could not exist.

I mean, so am I *points at her username*. The overlap between "furry" and "trans" is so huge, right?

I actually learnt pretty much EVERYthing about trans people other than "they exist"* from furries, and I mean it in the best way possible. And yeah, I explored my gender in the context of being furry a lot, the two are still weirdly intertwined in my mind. But for years, it was "yeah, OK, I'm cis, but my gender is weird in the context of my being a furry".

Furries as a whole were light years ahead in terms of knowledge about, and acceptance of, trans people in like, early 2000s. It's wild.

I attribute like 30%-60% of people shitting on furries online on it being a very convenient outlet for homo- and transphobia, with plausible deniability. Furries continue to be THE most LGBT+ accepting group out there, by a wide margin, that I've seen.

* - I guess it's "we exist" now. Still getting used to the idea that I'm somehow not on the outside looking in.

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diyfoutrans lady, 33•

Yeah I didn’t notice your username/avatar until you replied and I was like “oh wait I think I know where she’s coming from.”

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that there are so many trans people in a community that’s fundamentally about the pleasure of imagining yourself with a different name, in a different body.

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Cultureshock007•

Gunna say it... Non-binary doesn't mean exclusively something in the middle. It encorparates and includes those who switch between extremes of the gender binary like fluid individuals or who experience a straddling of the middle to experience both extremes of binary gender or just those who fall almost engirely to one side or the other but fall the slightest bit short for a multitude of reasons. I realize labels are important to you and there is a specific brand of hate that gets leveled at us enbies that make some want to not associate but holding yourself apart just because you don't like the association is in itself an internalized bit of transphobia or enbyphobia which may be holding you back.

Non-Binary can be a bit of a trip because while some presentations are more common you can have seven enbies in a room together who all experience gender in vastly different ways which makes it a bit lonely because there isn't really many individuals out there who can guide you in your specific journey.

Edit : Forgot to mention since you have it in your other post that some non-binary identities encorparate non-human elements.

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OddtailOP•

Noted. The label still just doesn't sit right with me, at least at the moment.

I'm really sorry, I didn't mean to erase any specific kind of NB experience or self-labelling.

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zufoxzFTM, NB, 24 | HRT Feb '17 | Top June '19•

I'm nonbinary/some flavor of genderfluid, and I do understand this feeling. Being nb doesn't mean you have to be some third gender - you can be nb by being both binary male and binary female.

I went from being a lesbian to being "questioning (possibly nb)" to trans man to nonbinary man to now, just nonbinary because I don't feel like explaining my complex relationship with gender to people all the time. I've transitioned physically with top surgery and taking T and those decisions were made when I was a binary trans man. These days, I don't regret them and they made me more comfortable in my body, and actually because of that I've been able to enjoy who I am as a woman too.

I don't really feel gender euphoria, tbh. People referring to me as the person I am doesn't really get me excited or make me feel good, it just feels like a basic thing that I should be able to expect from others the way cis people are able to. I felt it some, back when I was still discovering the magic of first passing and trying things out, but it's been years and I'm settled in myself and the novelty of being respected and seen as who I am has worn off. This may be somewhat what you're feeling, the euphoria of being seen as a man isn't there because you're used to that already, so why would it be new and exciting for you?

My gender is fluid over very, very long time periods. It can (rarely) be days, but generally it is weeks, to months, to even years that I'm in one "mode" or the other. I already struggle with emotional impermanence because of my ADHD, but when I'm in one "mode" or gender feeling, it's almost impossible for me to imagine or remember not being that gender or the feelings of when I was another gender, even if it was recently. I often don't feel a connection to any gender that I'm not at that moment - the connection I do have comes from knowing who I am overall, and that I am a person who likes to fuck with gender roles and expectations.

As well, gender itself is a fluid journey for many people. People may be cis, then trans, then cis, then nonbinary, then trans, over the course of their life without being genderfluid. Some people feel they have one true gender that was waiting to be discovered/acknowledged, some find that they may be hiding their gender feelings at times and at other times are genuinely just different genders, others find their gender just changes one day and that's fine. Just because you're one gender one day doesn't mean the day before when you were a different gender that you were "faking it" or something - that day you were that gender. Today you are this gender. It can be as simple as that. You don't need to be genderfluid for that to happen either - the label is just there to help you if you want to use it.

As the other commenter said, too much introspection and "but what am I really?" can end up being counter intuitive. It's okay to just let you be you. Gender labels, words, pronouns, it's all just tools to help us feel comfortable and to express ourselves. It's okay to just go with your gut and let the rest figure itself out. Overanalyzing can end up just making it harder and more stressful. Do what's right for you - you don't owe anyone explanations.. You can just say "this is what feels right" and leave it at that. Not to say you're not allowed to introspect and analyze - just don't let it rule you.

Sidenote: the 51% thing is an evidence standard in the USA legal system and is called "the preponderance of evidence" :) Thought you might find that interesting

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OddtailOP•

Thank you for your elaborate and thoughtful answer <3 I don't really have anything meaningful or even halfway coherent to respond with, but I think reading your perspective/explanation will be very useful for me going forward. At least give me some fuel for figuring things out.

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ericfischerErica, transfeminine, HRT 9/2020•

I'm binary, but I had the experience of 5 years of gender dysphoria in my 20s, followed by 20 "cis by default" years where my gender just didn't matter at all to me, before the gender dysphoria came back and I transitioned. I don't remember whether it was as night-and-day as this, but it did just go away. I wish I knew why.

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OddtailOP•

Thank you for sharing. 20 years of "cis by default" sounds like a long time, I hope you're in a place you want to be right now.

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ericfischerErica, transfeminine, HRT 9/2020•

Thanks, yes! I still have some things to figure out, but transition has been good for me.

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OddtailOP•

Heck yeah <3 all the best to you.

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forestbeastsPlural! [Frost: wolf, he/him | etc.]•

It's okay to not feel trans, still want to be trans, and still be trans.

The wanting is the important part. If you want to be trans, you are.

Not feeling like a woman right now can't take that away from you.

🐺🧡

-- Frost

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OddtailOP•

Thank you for the comment.

Yeah, I was talking to a (cis) friend ealier today and she expressed pretty much the same sentiment. "cis people don't want to be trans. If you do want it, you probably are".

I guess it makes sense when put that way.

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forestbeastsPlural! [Frost: wolf, he/him | etc.]•

Yeah! Yeah exactly. =^.^=

-- Frost

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forestbeastsPlural! [Frost: wolf, he/him | etc.]•

Like, I've had times when I felt more femme; I rejected that, because I didn't want to be femme. This is kinda in the opposite direction from you, because I started out male, but you can still decide what gender you want to be – and therefore are – even if you don't feel it at the moment.

IMO it's not genderfluidity if you don't like being in the other state. It's all up to you.

-- Frost

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forestbeastsPlural! [Frost: wolf, he/him | etc.]•

(Interestingly, because I've got that femme stuff threatening my gender, I've started getting gender euphoria from being called male. Even though that's what we were assigned from the start!)

-- Frost

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