[P4V4] Question about Apprentice Knights

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It’s been mentioned a number of times that apprentice guard knights are only allowed to be on guard duty within the Noble’s Quarter. I assume this is because they’re still learning how to be guards properly, but either way this makes sense.

In Part 4 Volume 4, Judithe requests leave from Rozemyne in order to gather ingredients, which Rozemyne allows, yet she still seems to indicate that Judithe, as an apprentice, is not allowed to leave the Noble’s Quarter.

Judithe lives in the knight dorms, and it makes sense that she would not be allowed to serve as a guard outside the Noble’s Quarter, but is it really true that she is not allowed to leave at all, even when off duty? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me so maybe I’m missing something.

Posted Jan 1, 2022, 8:33 AM UTC

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Vestny•

It really isn't that odd that children aren't allowed to go somewhere without having the permission of their guardians. For knights they can probably only hunt in some areas for whatever reasons. Some I could think of is, that only giebe's knights and their citizens/commoners can hunt in their territory, this is clearly shown in the POV chapter in p4v4. In the central area that would mean the only place the Archduke allows nobles to hunt is the noble forest and it probably get more attention to keep younger apprentice safer than a random forest in the central area that might have a beast that are too dangerous to attack solo. Like when they went the the noble forest and ran into a Grun they had to disband and get the adult knights there since they consider it to dangerous for apprentice. Realistically, a group of apprentice was in that forest they might have all died in that fight.

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TheinternationalistJ-Novel Pre-Pub•

To add on, Sylvester mentioned the noble forest serves a similar purpose to the commoner one: it is a relatively safe place for people to gather materials if you're too poor or unable to get certain materials otherwise (think Lutz or Judith), with occasional issues like stretching trees or vicious animals that could still really hurt.

One should note they both have rules too, although the commoner ones are unspoken according to Leon's side story.

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MehmyMyne is Best Girl•

Realistically, a group of apprentice was in that forest they might have all died in that fight.

Depends on the apprentices. We're told at the same time that they dealt with one at the interduchy tournament at the academy. But they were acting as guards at the time, which means that they shouldn't fight if they can avoid it since it leads to unnecessary risk for their charge.

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daedalronJ-Novel Pre-Pub•

We're told at the same time that they dealt with one at the interduchy tournament at the academy.

Yeah, but in the tournament they were a group of knights against one grun. If they went for gathering on their own, it would become a 1v1 fight, or potentially a 1man vs multiple gruns. That would be seriously dangerous...

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MehmyMyne is Best Girl•

We don't really have any baseline for how strong certain feybeasts are. Just character reactions. Yes it's unlikely that a first year layknight could beat one, but what about a 7th year layknight? Or first year archknight? We don't really know

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daedalronJ-Novel Pre-Pub•

but what about a 7th year layknight?

Royal Academy is only 6 years. Unless you meant by that sentence a layknight who has graduated from RA?

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ArkNerdVikingWN Reader•

ut what about a 7th year layknight? Or first year archknight?

the point is that not only they use the forest.

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Aleriya金色のシュミル•

Judithe is only 12 in P4V4, and she hasn't started the knight's course yet. If she was going to go leave the Noble's Quarter and go off on her own, her family would probably want an adult with her.

Hunting in the noble's forest is safer than leaving the city because the Knights keep an eye on it, and if Judithe gets in trouble, she can put up a Rott and have a dozen knights there in no time. If she goes to some rural forest off the beaten path, no one might ever see her Rott.

I think that's one of the reasons why Rott is one of the first things taught in the academy. A minor student will either live with their parents, in the academy dorm, or in the dorms in the Noble’s Quarter. In those circumstances, they're either being supervised or the Knights are never more than a few minutes away.

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redditormav•

They are allowed to go outside the nobles quarter when off duty ONLY IF they have their parent's/guardian's permission. Why I think so is based on future scenes so I'll refrain from further details.

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BortaszWN Reader•

Think of this as a Chain of Command.
Since Judithe is under Rozemyne(Her retainer) she first must ask her for permission.
Then: Either A) Squires(Aprentice Knights) have some permission to gather ingrediance in the noble forest. B) She will go to Knights order to get further permission to collect. or C) Judithe is from Giebe they have different rules and she did not know about stuff in noble quarters.

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