If you're thinking about getting into game collecting, please rethink it

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I hope that this doesn't come across as gatekeeping or bashing on the hobby because it can be really fun but I think there are some things about game collecting that people that're new need to consider before getting into it.

The first thing is that it costs a lot of money. Unless you're looking to buy a handful of games from your childhood, then be prepared to spend a lot of money. The pictures that are shown of peoples gaming room with shelves of nicely organized games were either started decades ago or they devote a lot of their income into buying games. The price of most games have skyrocketed with even a basic game like Mario 3 for the NES has gone from maybe $10 for the cartridge to $20 in the past four years.

You will likely never have a complete collection. I know that there are people that want to own ever NES game, every Gameboy game, every PS2 game, every variation of a console, etc. You are not alone. For every attempt at a "complete" collection, there's going to be at least one item that will cost you an arm and leg and it likely won't even be a game you'll like, it'll likely be a game that didn't sell well with only a handful of copies available.

The consoles and games have a shelf life. As consoles get old, they'll eventually start to break down. Maybe the laser reader on a PS2 stops working, or the pins in a NES will wear down, or a battery in a PSP will run out. Those are replacable but if you don't know what you're doing, it'll break the system, and since new systems aren't being made, they'll be harder to find. Then with games, they require upkeep; the pins will degrade, discs will eventually rot over time, something we've been seeing with some poorly stored PS1 disks after 25 years.

Don't treat it like an investment. If you're thinking that you'll pour all this money into the collections and then sell it off later in life as an investment, it's not a good idea. Even though the market has skyrocketed, there's no telling what the market will be like in a year, let alone a decade or longer. That also assumes that you maintain your collection well and nothing happens to it. We've seen people who lost everything in fires, in floods, in earthquakes, theft, and so much more.

There are alternatives! With purists, they want the best of the best but if you still want the physical games, you can save money by buying a reproduction cart; for the most part, there's almost no telling the difference between an official and a reproduction cart or even a bootleg copy and that's perfectly fine if you're not planning to sell it later and pass it off as a legit copy! Even if you just want the boxes, you can buy production boxes on etsy that are great for display purposes!

Emulators exist! I know that emulators are kind of a touchy subject here but they're one of the best ways to just play an older game without having to fight for a physical copy. You can buy a raspberry pi or hack a console and load it up with just about game ever made for next to nothing. If you just want to be able to play Batman on the NES or the Simpsons Arcade Game, or Mana Khemia 2 on the PS2 without having to troubleshoot why a game isn't playing or spending money to play a game for 20 minutes before moving on, then just emulate it.

If you know all of this and still want to get into collecting, then great! Buy the games you want, enjoy the games you have, and have fun! These are just things that I wish I had known before I got into the hobby and seeing what the current state of it is.

Posted Jan 3, 2022, 7:13 AM UTC

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skoomaslush•

I love collecting games, but this has a lot of valid points, and has me reflecting on what has changed about me as a person who enjoys video games, and how I enjoy them. I find myself looking at new games, reorganizing my games, or scrolling on ebay more than I actually play my games. It can become very addicting too, to get new games all the time, but I don't ever feel satisfied with my collection. I buy something, tinker with it for a bit, then it goes on display and I'm already back on eBay again.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

That's how I was for a long time. I'd have spreadsheets of every game for the major consoles and marked off which ones I had and which ones I didn't. When I'd get a new game, I'd look at the cartridge and maybe the box if it came with one, then file it away with the rest.

I just had a moment two months ago where I realized that even if I quit my job and played every waking moment, I'd never have enough time to play every game I had before I died. That kind of snapped me out of it and realized it stopped being about having fun playing games. Went through my collection and sold almost everything, only keeping my all-time favorite games for display purposes.

It almost becomes a habit; you check the lists, you buy a game but when later on, you might see a CIB version or a Japanese copy that'll branch out into another collection. I wish I could be one of those collectors that make a living from being a youtuber or twitch streamer and their job is to just talk about games to justify it all but...without that, the sense of incompletition can be loud.

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wowadrow•

Yea, I'm really at this stage myself; what's important is those experiences and memories playing the games. The physical items are really just stuff that has a limited life span no matter how well you take care of your collection. Years ago I cut my ps1 collection down to the bone haven't felt bad about it a day since. Kept what mattered dropped the rest. Need to do the same for my ps2/3/4 games. Digital collections have come along way as space saving alternative.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

Tell me about it. Collections are great but there comes a point where you have to start thinking about how much space its taking up. I remember moving apartments and my first thought was "will this bedroom be enough for everything and how will I have all the consoles setup?". It's rather freeing to have everything on a single shelf because everything else is digital. Visited my partner is Sweden last month and was playing Onimusha 2 on my laptop the whole flight there!

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wowadrow•

Yea as long as the core experience (the games) are available digital collections fix alot of the issues relating to the hobby. I really like how good old games handles access to the games; download them anytime you want and most are small enough to have a decent mix of games on any thumb drive.

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skoomaslush•

Thank you for sharing that. I want to try and focus on games I will actually enjoy and spend some time with before displaying em.

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Cor_Angars•

Yes, discourage newcomers to limit future competition. I like your style!😈 /s

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themango65•

But he said he was not gate keeping.

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jtpower99•

This hobby can be really fun and really healthy of done the right way.

It can be really bad and really unhealthy if done the wrong way. As with most things in life: moderation!

  1. NEVER go into debt to build a collection

  2. Set a budget and stick to it strictly

  3. Do plenty of research before every purchase

  4. Set yourself a few rules to limit the size (my rule is that i have to be able to find everything needed to play a game in no more than a few minutes. This means if i ever have to drive to a storage unit for a game, my collection is too big.

  5. Have fun (buying more than you can afford, have space for, or than you want isn't fun)

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talespin4life•

Hobbies typically aren't investments, I mean sure some can be, but most "hobbies" aren't.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

Yea, hobbies typically aren't investments but there are people in here that have mentioned how they plan on selling all of their collections as their retirement plan or when the market gets huge. There are people here that do treat gamecollecting as more of an investment.

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FinalplayerRyu•

Which is a big reason why the prices exploded in recent years, Companies like WATA and VGA playing also a big role in all that.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

True! Don't get me wrong, if I find an unopened CIB Shantae, Flintstones, or the 1990 Nintendo Champsionship Gold Edition, I'd send that off to be protected and graded before selling but anything else just feels like a waste.

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FinalplayerRyu•

Some i would agree could make sense, but overall these places provide otherwise little value and in almost all cases i would still prefer a regular 0.5mm case as it will do the job just fine.

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MonMashack•

Or they’re bad long term investments. Look at the sneaker market. Science has shown that the plastics in the soles of Jordans break down and crumble after 20-30 years. Game carts and trading cards will slowly do the same

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talespin4life•

Trading cards can essentially be "permanently" preserved, ie far far far outlive the owner and likely subsequent owners, that would be the only exception. Game carts and optical media also have a fairly long life, though they will not last forever no.

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zerohm•

Also, you are susceptible to house fire, flood, burglary, etc. You have to pay to insure them. Then, you have to find a buyer and likely pay for the listing / exchange.

If you enjoy owning them, and selling is a nice bonus one day, that's great. Go for it. But there are much better and safer ways to invest your money if getting the most money back is the goal.

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Early_or_Latte•

Lots of good points. There are better ways to invest. Shit doesn't last forever especially of its not taken care of well. Even if it is it can still be stolen, water damaged or burned.

My collection gives me joy, both playing and just staring at it. I don't buy them to make money. They are all in box protectors, off the ground and out of direct sunlight in a room with a constant temperature and humidity. If somrthing is prohibitively expensive, I emulate. In fact, I may be buying a modded gamecube where the disc drive has been replaced with an SD card reader that will play roms. I've got a non-modded indigo gamecube but would but consider that for the games I want to play but don't necessarily want to in my collection.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

I never thought that a gamecube could be modded to play an SD card for roms!

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Early_or_Latte•

I didn't know ow either until it popped up on FB marketplace and the disc drive was gone in place of a little reader. They showed an image of the TV screen with dozens of different games to pick from. I'd be a bit uneasy to buy it if I can't see it in action, I'd hate to be scammed by something like that. Its posted by someone who sold a lot of modded consoles in my area though so hopefully trustworthy.

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Xornok•

Sounds like it's just a GCLoader. You can buy one yourself and mod your own console. One of the easiest mods to do; just need a screwdriver.

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Early_or_Latte•

Oh wow. I was considering spending $350 CDN on one from that guy. Thanks for the heads up, I can buy a spare GC and do it myself if its as easy as you say. So if it only needs a screw driver I'm guessing I don't need to solder anything.

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theslimbox•

I agree, I have been collecting since the 90's and these posts have been going around since atleast 2004. When Nintendo 64 games were starting to sell for more than $10-$20 people were saying collecting was too expensive and would implode. Someone on a site made fun of me for spending $50 on a nicer copy of Ducktales 2, saying I was throwing that money away.

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KunntangGang•

Well you certainly got your moneys worth on duck tales 2 but I also agree. Prices on some games are crazy but not most. $20 loose for Mario 3 really isn’t that bad considering the game went for much more

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CapablePerformanceOP•

Wow, so you just went balls deep into this, didn't you?

First, I'm not some newbie, I'm 38 and have been collecting since my 20s. Secondly, I literally say

If you know all of this and still want to get into collecting, then great! Buy the games you want, enjoy the games you have, and have fun!

Please point out where I'm fear mongering and trying to drive away future collectors? By saying "Hey, the prices have doubled in recent years (Which is true) and to only get into it if you're okay with spending money for certain games"?

I'm guessing you read the headline and just dive in head first into the shallow end.

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lusid1•

Great points. If I hadn't started decades ago and kept every game I ever bought, I wouldn't be starting now. The retro game market is cut-throat and brutally expensive today.

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bilyboy65•

You aren't kidding about this hobby being cut throat. I've literally heard of people preparing to fight others at a garage sale for something they wanted. And that was before even going. I've seen fights at the sale, it's so sad.

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lusid1•

I'm happy I finished the only set I really care about (PSP) just as this bubble was forming. Anything I get from here on out will just be opportunistic luck. I got lucky on an SNES lately, looked at the market for fun carts, and realized a flash cart is a much better use of cash than buying up old carts. That console in particular is too expensive to get started on now.

On the flip side, if you love the Wii, there's no time like the present. That stuff is everywhere and its dirt cheap.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

God yes! In my area, there's a handful of people that will call up every garage sale listing, ask about video games and offer to buy the entire lot. They'll take what they want and sell the rest to a local used game store. I sometimes think having no shame helps as a collector of anything.

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bilyboy65•

Yep. Some people in this hobby lack more than shame though.

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shadowman16•

I wouldnt discourage people from collecting, but I would recommend that they collect what they enjoy and NOT go for full collections (at least not at first). Only full collection I technically have is my Game and Watch collection (which took years to amass) but I love each handheld so didnt feel bad about going for a full set.

Doubt I could do it for other platforms though... I just dont want to own those junk tier games, would rather just have a smaller, better curated collection. That and I focus on developers/publishers more than console libraries. I've pretty much got everything Capcom ever put out, but that's because I'm playing through every last game (ports and all!) that they put out. I tied my collecting into my games playing, rather than collecting stuff and maybe playing it.

So basically - find something you enjoy and collect based around that.

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SkiesEra•

If you are collecting solely to check a box or for financial freedom, then who I am to tell you to stop. But I would suggest against it, because ultimately playing a game will forever be the most satisfying thing about this hobby. That should always be your main priority.

With that said, you are kidding yourself if you think the value of games is a "bubble". I am of the opinion that the vast majority of software is still way undervalued. With the future moving more and more to a digital/virtual (hellscape) reality, the origins of gaming will continually be desired more and more.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

At this point, I have no stake in the hobby as I sold most of mine because I last the passion. There's just this overlying debate on whether the recent inflation is a bubble or if it's here to stay, you know?

From a scarscity perspective, yea, the value is going to keep going up as more people jump in and demands continue. From a trends perspective, there's also the possibility that as people drop out, the younger generation won't have as much of an attachment. It's something that can go either way.

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SkiesEra•

I concede that prices are abnormally inflated over the last few years, mostly due to the pandemic. Things could become somewhat cheaper once things go back to normal, but I don't think it will be the start of a downward trend.

More people are gaming than ever, and the space is continually growing. Even if nostalgia is eventually erased with the passing of a generation, gaming will continually grow in public mindshare and there will always be people wanting to experience how such and such character, company, franchise, etc. started.

I think the nostalgia/attachment angle will only have a long-term effect on game prices that are artificially inflated because they are super rare and/or obscure. But games of high-quality will only continue to grow in value as they become rarer and harder to experience in their original form.

Just my two cents.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

I wouldn't say that the increased due to the pandemic, for almost every game, it's been a steady increase. Just look at Batman for NES, around 2010 it was $2 then by 2012 it was $4, $6 in 2014, $10 by 2018, and now around $13 in 2021. I'm sure that there's a sharp spike for super popular games but even for regular games, there's been a steady climb.

On the flip side, once games are available digitally, when the supply becomes unlimited, the price of a game plummets. Just look at Final Fantasy 7, it use to be between $70-100 because the supply was limited but when Sony added a digital version in for their PS1 Classics, the price dropped and eventually decreased to around $20.

If you look at modern games where the games are available digitally starting with the PS3 and 360 era, the prices largely go from 60 down to 10 because if I want to suddenly buy Batman Arkham Asylum, I can get it on Steam or PS3 for cheap meaning there's not a limited supply that people can sell for an inflated price.

It's only games from before the digital downloads like with Genesis, Sega CD, and Virtual Boy. This indicates that as Millenials and Gen X stop collecting, the Zoomers will likely not care because their childhood games will be all online with an unlimited supply. There's a reason why the price of a PS4, Switch, and Xbox One game has dropped even during the pandemic; it's not the pandemic, it's it's collectors inflating the cost of pre-digital games.

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SkiesEra•

Depends on the game. Chrono Trigger DS has literally tripped in value since the pandemic started. Obscure Fifth and Six Gen titles have seen abnormal growth.

And there are plenty of modern games going up in value. Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade Torna are already above $100 on average in physical form.

I think unlimited supply digitally is where we disagree here. Eventually these store fronts will be removed, and certain games offered digitally will no longer be available to purchase in a digital format. We can already see Nintendo taking this approach with their switch online service, with retro titles on a sub service compared to virtual console. And the same will happen with Gamepass and Microsoft.

It's more profitable for these companies to keep you locked into a subscription service, and therefore moving forward that will be the only way for you to access a digital version of a legacy game that is not current gen (imo).

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[deleted]•

Yeah, I really went ham with collecting PS2, PS3, and PS Vita during the last two years due to Sony announcing shut down of PS3 and Vita stores (thank god they retracted). Now that I got most of the games I wanted, I need to restrain myself from any more spending.

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Xyspade•

Two points.

About the shelf life commentary: most of the items you mentioned there only degrade with use rather than time alone, and are fairly easily repairable. Some repairs are more complicated than others and require soldering and patience which isn't for everyone, but since retro consoles are popular there's always a wealth of tutorials out there. It might've been more fitting had that point warned about needing to do repairs instead.

And I would recommend a flash cart over reproduction carts. You're still getting the benefit of real hardware while spending vastly less money on games than even a collection of reproductions, they're much more reliable with save data, you can load up all the romhacks and translations you want as well, and you're not helping a pirate make a profit.

Otherwise fantastic, well written and organized.

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kjetil_f•

Yes, but...

Most of the most popular/essential games are still affordable for most systems even though they aren't as cheap as they used to. Not everyone wants to collect for complete sets, or want 1000 of games on the shelf either. And a "top 10" from "each" retro system can keep you busy collecting for years.

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theslimbox•

This is a great point. Aside from some artificial inflation, most system defining games are going to be the ones with the most copies on the market, and they are relatively cheap. As someone that started collecting in the 90's, I am very hesitant to spend more than yard sale prices, but I still add stuff to my collection at good prices monthly.

Patience is what it takes in collecting these days. You aren't going to find many 50+ game lots for $20 anymore, but you can still find a lot of $50+ games at stores for $15-$20 if you have paitence. Just in December I acquired about $1000 worth of retro games from stores and Facebook marketplace for under $300. Most are just upgraded quality, but at that point I can flip my older pieces and roll that into my next month's purchases.

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MonMashack•

You forgot to mention that those “gaming rooms” are also super expensive right now. The housing market is still hot and upsizing your home purchase for a future gaming room can cost upwards of a couple hundred thousand depending on your location

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Cerebralbore101•

Disc Rot is completely overblown. The library of congress did a study on how long discs last when stored under good conditions. They came back with 70% of discs having a life expectancy of 100 years. https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/cd_longevity.html Cartridge ROM is no doubt even more durable than CDs.

As for game systems, Analogue makes FPGA-based modern systems. The AVS is an FPGA NES still being made. You can also make a MiSTer FPGA that can either take dumped ROMs or original carts. FPGA systems run games exactly as original hardware would. So for Cart-based game systems, there is actually more hardware being made.

As for PS2 and Wii/Gamecube, there are so many of these things in the wild that it will take until the heat death of the universe for all 150 million PS2's to die and all 100 million Wii's to die. And by then we might just get FPGA variants of those consoles.

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[deleted]•

There's a lot of great points made here, but I think this has made me realise what problem I have with collecting.

You'll see big game rooms with every wall covered in shelves with games on them, (look up 'game room' on Youtube and you'll see what I mean) and then you have small collectors who open sealed games to play them or only buy games they want to play. It doesn't matter what kind of collector you are, or how you collect your games, I think a lot of people are clouded by the investment and profitable side and see it as a market or business. Game collecting is still a hobby, even the massive collections are still a hobby.

Personally, I am a very small collector and I only really started last year. I don't see it as an investment of any kind, I see it as a hobby and a bit of fun. Don't get me wrong though, all the people who have made a living out of their hobby by reselling games they've bought are great, and I imagine a lot of people would like to do that as well. I just wish game collecting was open to novices who see it as fun, and not see them as potential 'competition'.

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SaberX91•

Excellent points. These reasons are why I'm liquidating the rest of my collection and just keeping my genesis I grew up with. I can't justify having the consoles sitting collecting dust if I barely play them. I had my fun with them and now I'm done.

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[deleted]•

Very well written!

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So true, currently nearly have a full set of all main line Pokemon games, ratchet and clank games and spider man games. I’m stopping after these

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FinalplayerRyu•

There are alternatives! With purists, they want the best of the best but if you still want the physical games, you can save money by buying a reproduction cart; for the most part, there's almost no telling the difference between an official and a reproduction cart or even a bootleg copy and that's perfectly fine

If you gonna go for reproduction or bootleg copies i would suggest people to rather just emulate.

if you're not planning to sell it later and pass it off as a legit copy!

I have seen plenty of sellers that try to push bootleg as the real deal. Most of which from the games being sold looked like some Mom or Pa who got some cheap games for their children and don't know any better, but sometimes there is also the malicious type that even after telling them that its bootleg, they will just leave their ad as is.

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CapablePerformanceOP•

I'm emulator all the way! I just know that there are people that do want to have a physical copy of Earthbound or some game; it's not something I'd recommend people fill up their collections with, but if the choice is between spending $200 for a legit copy or $20 for a reproduction copy, it's a solid option.

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wasteofleshntime•

half of the Pokémon games I have a repro carts since I'm not paying $90 for a game that sold tens of millions of copies and will be available until the damn sun explodes. Not to mention the people I see yelling about how bad repros are becuase they break and get corrupted etc., as if that literally doesn't already happen with official games, in fact in the 8 years that I've had my Pokémon/Mother 3 repros I've never had a single problem but my official copy of Emerald crapped out like 3 years ago.

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