When Fallout13 moderators have the intelligence of an Amazon bot
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reddit.comPosted Jan 9, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC
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reddit.comHere we go again...
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Remove fallout from this and add literally any other server and it'd be the same ban. He was banned for racism "Blackie" is a racist term just like "Whitie" it's meant to insult someone so it's racist usually. Interestingly tho according to the school who put me in a closet for 24 hours(total) for saying the first one in response to the second one when I was 6 the second one isn't racist because they got off Scott free.
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It is racist, but nobody cares, because white people aren't discriminated against
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Bit controversial
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Lmao no it isn't
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lmao I got called a cracklin by a bunch of black teens and they got off scott free from the principal
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Yeah, that's fair
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just stop playing fallout servers, they suck, we know this, you don't have to show us.
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Yeah unfortunately I was bored and it was a moment of weakness to try playing it again thinking it might be different.
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You seem to have a tendency to do these type of things when you’re bored suddenly!
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Yeah, Steam libraries and a collection of ps4 games all unplayed but we still return to the 2d spaceman game with completely shitty admins.
And we can never escape the shitty admins because they clutch so hard on the power and relevance, its always the same names in each new server so they remain in their echochamber.
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in other words, local man exhausted after digging himself a very deep hole
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ew discord light mode
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You're complaing that you got banned for racisim, and then when staff said 'yeah we'll lift this' and you started being combative, literally wtf could you expect
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I see your point but I also didn't like how they refused to see the context in the first place and have framed it as if a discussion was needed, like I have a racism problem in the server hence why combative, when it was obvious they aren't going to acknowledge why the comment was made which could mean they would pull this shit again.
And as you see, I agreed to try not making any further comments of the sort if I remember their hardline stance which I think made them even more pissed since I also admitted I will abuse said hardline stance to victimise other players who do the same to me (historically often) and expect them to be banned the same as I have regardless of their context (which I've often ignored) hence why the admins started to accuse me of chinese racism too.
Basically since the admin could take the time to remove my wastelander role in the disc, he could have just pm'd me about the issue like 'hey I saw you say - in response to - but this server really doesn't allow it even if its brought in and you want to address it in the trial' if a genuine discussion was what he wanted but I've experienced enough admin abuse to know when they are just waving the hammer around just to flex their power.
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- They outright admitted they made a mistake and that they were going to unban you.
- Have you ever actually ahelped those situations where your char was discriminated against?
- Pretty much every server has rules against racist remarks to varying degrees.
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Not until they came into this thread actually. Well they said the unban yes but still the reasons of the ban had to be touched on in case there is a repeat of dumb situations like this.
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No because I actually have a brain to understand context and know how to separate what is ic and ooc instead of having the misguided belief that infesting games with politics no one asked for is going to save the world.
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Yes but I also see those servers as hopefully being reasonable to judge properly instead of going full blown idiocy until roven otherwise (like now) since the only reasonable time to actually give a shit about racism is in cases of harassment or discrimination (and more if its a targeted ooc thing too, not ic), none which are valid here.
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- alright, forgot it wasn't in the main part
- Then why are you parading around that they didn't go after people who were racist to you char?
- It was said somewhere in the discord, it's because they don't trust most people to handle it properly and not have OOC leak in.
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imma be real with ya gamer, maybe don't say the word??? :sob:
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Nah the situation within the game made it appropriate. My only mistake was thinking that the administration of an h/erpes server, which implies there would be a certain degree of maturity and ability to think, would actually be able to make an appropriate decision however I underestimated how badly they wanted their 'we did it reddit, we solved racism moment' even if it is just an attempt for show and to feel good lol.
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Cope, loser
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Oh shit I was there. I don’t know if it was you who did it, but someone did call the defendant a “Darkie” which should definitely be bannable. But if that wasn’t you then I don’t know why you got banned.
Edit: I think it was you.
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Yes that was me but if you were really there you also would have seen the defendant bringing out the race card for the trial which this was in response to so the question is, whether you really were there or not.
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I was literally the mayor… Jerry Ghoulliani
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Oh yeah then you were there but like I said, the defendant pulled the race card first which a lot of people seem to want to be willfully blind to especially the admins who refuse to bring that part of the logs in to pat themselves in the back.
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Just don't ever bother arguing with admins lmfao. Everytime they'll cite that as a reason to keep your ban/increase it.
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I find it funny that admins in this game got so scared of shit like this while also being on a powetrip, that they lose there sense of reason. I got shit from an admin once because i injected a patient with morphine, because he didnt wanted to get healed, while he was half dead. That was my 3 day of playing this game. And i never found any rule that said i couldnt do that. I later stun battoned someone, for annoying me and then threw him in the cryo pod. I didnt hear a thing from the admins for that.
Also to your thing, doesn't fallout have racism? Against ghouls and supermutants.
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Not even something exclusive to f13/ss13 and more a recognizable characteristic in jannies. The ideal is unfortunately the minority, those genuinely there to assist players and ensure the smooth operations of the community. Eventually they will burn out, get screwed by politics, get fed up of being compared to the majority and so forth.
The majority? They come in for an increased standing in the community, to secure benefits for themselves (more recognizable in coders for ss13), shape the community into what they desire or, just secure power (reason for the two prior splits, I was told) which is essentially ego motivated hence why they lose their sense of reason like you said.
Example here? Admins deliberately ignoring my points because then they would have made their decision erroneously and even expecting an apology from me because being ego motivated, they can't fathom they may be in the wrong because it would make them lesser, like one of the flock. Not even the first time for me.
In Eris, an admin didn't investigate properly. I pointed this out as well as the fact the ban message was made to have me in a bad light. Eventually because based on the facts they should have known from investigating, they changed their arguments from me joining for the sake of murderboning (one kill in each of the two rounds, my antag target and witness to antag evidence) to not getting unbanned because I was 'belittling' them for saying they should have investigated the logs and, because they had no other reason to maintain the ban but nonetheless refused to admit their mistake.
Fortunately Eris had someone higher in the hierarchy with full mental faculties to intervene and overturn the ban although I missed quite a bit of game weekend. Too bad it would seem this won't be the same in ls since they comprise of the same old admins making the same old bad decisions from server to server.
Fallout does but no one actually does the racism thing towards ghouls in f13 unless they are legion or if the ghouls wants to do conflict. The supermutants are normally adminspawned so no player want to deal with for that reason or, are funny/lovable af like dum dum. Interestingly enough, ls admins seem to approve of chinese racism based on the above conversation.
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With racism in fallout i was talking about the lore. Like the fact that Ghouls are not allowed in dimond city. Or the friendly supermutant comunity in new vegas. Maybe its because it like arguing with people who dont know what they are talking about, but i just find it hilarious that they said "There is no racism in the fallout universe". I mean, you would think that its ok to just be mean to someone, if its ok to kill them. But no.
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I'll be the first to admit that I should have used a tempban instead of a permaban. I was very tired from dealing with the person that the racist remark was directed towards. I didn't believe them at first, and was trying to age verify them because of their immature and hostile attitude. It wasn't until I figured out how to check the logs that I needed that I realized that they were right, and that omnitricks had indeed said what they had.
The person in question was given warnings and a note on their record for other infractions, but Omni had gotten off the server for the night by the time I tried to question them about it. The ban was put in place so that they would know to come to the discord so we could talk about their behavior. This wasn't specific targeting on my part, especially considering that Omni is a respected member of the community.(before this, at least.) I admit that I could have handled the entire situation a lot better, but I do stand by the idea that action needed to be taken against this.
I hope that we'll eventually reach an agreeable resolution to this, and it won't be an issue forever.
TL;DR: I should've used a tempban, but Omni also shouldn't try to use funni gamer words in any context.
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that I realized that they were right
Lol so someone tried to grief and banbait and succeeded in you ending up fucking up another player because you refuse to see he engineered it. Well done.
And you admitting you check the logs? Doubt it because again if you had, you'd have realized it was he who actually deliberately brought in the topic of racism, into an ic trial, (was semi afk doing gacha and saw him saying it was racially motivated or something) so I attacked the idea and continued with me other game.
The lonestar resolution is definitely not agreeable nor reasonable hence why I made this thread to vent and burn the bridge and, to wait until the next f13 server as its to keep me fucked for an outrageous and ridiculous amount of time as admins jointly wish to turn a blind eye to why the quote came about, even refusing to pull out that part of the logs where the other brought racism in, and then somehow also ending up accusing me of being racist towards chinese and Asians when all I did was describe how racism had been directed to my character in the server and would be expecting other players to get stupid long uncalled for bans when I start ahelping them of racism (eventhough I normally ignore or play along with it because I am not a total idiot to go screaming reeeeeee racism!) just as I am experiencing now. I'm quite sure deputy Sir Wasteland is still running around scot free now despite his chinese racism killing my ghoul.
You can all keep crying 'any context' like it will make you right but strict liability and zero tolerance is abhorred by society for a reason. Hell even I have to agree with Peemaster (of all peoples) sentiment that your community (well actually the admins, the players still seem the usual expected ss13 types) is 'that sort' and am surprised he could identify it as 'a passing remark' since he normally has, in my opinion, very bad takes towards ideas for roleplaying and ic/ooc segregation.
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As I said, I do agree that the situation was handled poorly. I blame my inexperience as a staffmember for not knowing how to properly handle the situation. As of that incident, I was a week on the team, and was being faced with my first major ticket. I knew that something had to be done, but I didn't know what that should be. So I put the ban in place so a discussion could be had, as the ticket shows. This was, in fact, the wrong thing for me to do. I don't know what the right thing is, exactly, but this wasn't it. I'm very tired, and I'm currently on break from ss13 so I can reevaluate myself. I won't say that you were justified in responding to racism with more racism, because that just makes a complicated problem even more complicated. I will say that I should have done more research and asked more questions.
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I do agree that the situation was handled poorly. I blame my inexperience as a staffmember for not knowing how to properly handle the situation.
At least you are learning which is something a lot of admins and mods are unable to do so you get points for that. Basically if you really just wanted a discussion, you could have sent me a dm on disc especially since you even took the time off to remove my role so I could not longer even see the chats, which since you did remove my role and I couldn't comment on the deputy's stupidity post round made me see you trying to pull a serious ban on something which is effectively a non issue given the context, which you have ignored despite saying you investigated which would make anyone see it as being targeted fnr.
In any event the damage has been done and exaggerated by the other idiot posers on the staff team so I guess I will have to wait until the next iteration of fo13 shows after this inevitably implodes from the joint admin incompetence, maybe try splurt since it has high pop and the fun tg mechanics and pray eris going into weekend only will no longer be in lowpop.
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playing on fallout ss13 servers same servers who ask for government id 😬😬😬
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just don't play lone star fallout, fallout 13 is just terrible sadly terrible community in a a already terrible community
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Ha ha now my other post makes sense fucking perfect timing lmao
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On the bright side I will only have to wait for the next 'of the month' server to stroll along. On the not so bright side these same admins are going to flock over there for a position once they smell the opportunity and the server will turn to pot so the cycle can continue.
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What did you expect in that sort of community? You went in a place where people fear speaking about certain topics, even just mentioning them in a passing remark.
You made your bed and you slept in it.
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I mean if I recall when I was still active back then, Fortune still had braincells somewhat so it wasn't 'that sort of community' but I didn't follow in with the Fortune/a divide because Baron and tried to stick with Fortune which didn't have a chance because the new map wasn't that good, it became really deadpop and the sad truth of Fortuna yoinking a lot of other players of quality so I just fucked off fo13 entirely.
Guess Fortuna and Baron really fubar'd the community the moment he fully had the reins. I just want to enjoy my video games instead of having to deal with stupid politics and their insane followers.
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Maybe I'm not remembering something correctly but aren't you one of the many players from Fortune who called for the bans of anyone who was so much as right wing, calling them "toxic" or similar?
Fortune stopped caring about roleplay just right before Baron took control. They cared more about trying to seem inclusive and accepting of minorities instead of tackling problems like the admin-sanctioned metagangs which I saw for myself while I was a janny there, and called out. Btw the sanctioned metagangs got even more serious in Fortuna, they were totally unleashed. (Just look at the pictures people captured, people got banned for downvoting a "Hey, we're pro-LGBT!" announcement, just a downvote.)
Same thing with that coder called frok or adam, being condescending to everyone and thinking he's above the playerbase in matters of content, calling people nazis for being rightwing. Or the kelo stuff, same thing.
You go into these communities (the people there are always the same individuals), you accept their priorities aren't roleplay or fun, it's politics what they care about.
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Nah, you must have mistaken me for someone else because I normally don't give af unless my game time is being ruined from outright grief.
And yeah you are right about frok but he psyoped everyone into thinking he is the best coder and knows best for the community (somehow no one realized he is the oranges of fo13) to the point he can even get away with griefing despite always asserting he has no metagang protecting him (in fact it is a problem when the members of the community can seriously say the only reason he is untouchable is that he will grudgecode others)
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Unironically people wouldn't go against him because he mained Kebab Shopkeeper all the rounds, even the Legion who should dislike him because he's a ghoul, because otherwise the whole server would gang on them for some reason, even though frok was an asshole to all players in the discord.
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aren't you the guy who kept sending rape threats to people
that's a rhetorical question you're the guy who kept sending rape threats to people
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Funny Lonestar admins still willfully ignorant. Wow they really are like amazon bots.
The fact that they are aware enough to bring out 'quoting' or 'the simple context' when it is to their own benefit (lol now you want to talk about context after ignoring it for so long?) while failing to see what I said was in response to someone else bringing out racism into the scene is still very much laughable.
There were like two more posts of by them ofc but it were all gifs celebrating which are wholly irrelevant to this post except to demonstrate their lack of, well you know.
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They just don't want you to say that word in any context ever, regardless of racist intent, chill the fuck out
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He actually gave you the reason right there....
Don't say "Shut u Blackie" period.
Literally right there....
Almost like your shit stirring for no reason because you're mad you can't be racist....
I don't care about the racism tho more that your throwing a fit on reddit because mean admin man sad "No funni words allowed"
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I guess you are cut from the same cloth as the amazon bots because it seems you haven't actually read everything else like the admins? Lol.
Insinuating I was being racist ic for the sake of being racist definitely does fit the bill of someone who has completely disregarded everything I've said to pinpoint the one thing which would get you triggered.
And no its less admin man said 'no funni words allowed' and more of them being unable to fulfill their function properly of yeah, funni word bad but seems applicable under these circumstances because another idiot brought race up.
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Dude. This is basic shit. Don't say shit you KNOW people are gonna take out of context and use against you. This is socialization 101 don't say shit to people that can be taken and used against you regardless of context. If I said "I fucking hate Black cars" and someone hears "I hate Blacks" I'm gonna get fired regardless of if the intent was there or not. So follow the rules of thumb of Don't say shit like that.
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If I said "I fucking hate Black cars" and someone hears "I hate Blacks"
Lol what? Whatever socialization 101 class you have been taking, you better be getting a refund because no right thinking member of society is going to fuck you over when they know the context. If it wasn't for your other posts I'd have thought this was satire or a gag.
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"woah the fact you didnt just submit to a clearly wrong ban just blows my mind"
He's shit stirring because he's mad he can't say Funni gamer words.
so you think one use of blackie warrants a perma ban while racism towards a chinese/japanese ghoul is fine. One time use of a word should be a note, not a permaban.
The best part was the admins insisting I was playing the Chinese/Japanese ghoul to be racist towards chinese/Japanese, completely missing the point that the racism I described was directed at me for being chinese/Japanese, not even ghoul racism.