PCT NOBO shakedown request

Shakedown

Location/temp range/specific trip description: PCT NOBO from Campo, April 28 start date.

Goal Baseweight (BPW): Effectively as low as possible. I would love under 10 lbs, but without restructuring, I don't see it happening.

Budget: Mostly already spent, Gold Stars denote a purchase

Non-negotiable Items: Tent, sleeping pad, and Stove

Solo or with another person?: solo, but not really alone on the PCT...

Additional Information: I am 6'4"/175lbs, and will be traveling with my wife, so the tent is more needed to fit both of us and makes more sense than 2 separate tarps and bug nets to me.

Items listed in grams has been weighed by me on my scale, anything in oz is either the best guess or listed by the manufacturer.

This would be my first real thru-hike. I've done a 3-day backpacking trip in NorCal before.

The biggest weight savings I can think of would be my First Aid Kit and maybe some clothes.

Open to any and all suggestions!

Lighterpack Link: https://lighterpack.com/r/22653l

Posted Jan 19, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

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jrice138pct ‘13,’17 cdt ‘19, azt ‘21•

I would add baselayer pants at least. Unless you plan to sleep in your frogg toggs. Which you could do, but it wouldn’t be my first choice.

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deratwan•

Not gonna lie, but I slept in my dance pants almost every night on the PCT and they were sooooo comfy. Once it got colder I would tuck those bad bois in my socks and sleep in my LHG rain jacket, as well.

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jrice138pct ‘13,’17 cdt ‘19, azt ‘21•

Different strokes, as they say.

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Poor_HoboOP•

You're right, I have some PolarTec alpha pants that someone is making me coming in the mail that I haven't added since I don't have weight or cost.

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jrice138pct ‘13,’17 cdt ‘19, azt ‘21•

Nice, I’m sure you’ll do just fine with those.

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dahlibrary•

Another railriders fan I see. I love my ecomesh pants and used the same Journeyman shirt for a year before switching to a sun hoody.

Some weights seem to be off. The Large Xlite pad is only 470g according to the thermarest specs. That will save some weight right there. I'm 6'4" and sleep on the normal length pad. I actually like my heels hanging off, it sort of stretches them out. I thought wide pads were awesome but after sleeping on both types I realized I sleep the same regardless of the width so now I just use a normal width. They're also warmer.

Your choices are reasonable, you just need to decide what type of hike you're doing. Can you sleep in your underwear or hiking shirt? If so you save 11oz ditching the sleep clothes. Use your phone as a journal? Save 3oz by leaving the rite as rain journal/pen at home. I agree with u/ryanhikes that you need more training/experience and things will fall in line. For instance, you have no midlayer. When it's too cold to hike with just your Journeyman shirt your options are currently to hike in the ghost whisperer, which will almost assuredly be too hot, put on your rain jacket (might get sweaty in there) or wear your sleep shirt as a second layer.

And the wife is a wild card too. Does she have more or less hiking experience than you? If less, it's likely you'll be doing slow days for the first while. Do some backyard camping, every weekend go out and do a 20 mile hike. Don't have the gear yet? Just use whatever you have to try to get as close as you can. Experience counts for more than money many times.

That first aid kit could certainly be cut down with some small bottles from litesmith. For instance 2oz of zinc oxide paste seems excessive. Especially if you're hiking in long pants, long sleeved shirt, sun gloves and a wide brimmed hat. The only place left to burn is 6 square inches on your face which won't burn since you also have a sunscreen stick.

Whatever you do, buy the pack last. You don't seem to own most of this gear so now is the time to make changes before you end up buying it and then rebuying it.

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Poor_HoboOP•

What is marked with a yellow star is what I already own, so I have most of the bulky/important items. I really like the railriders and tested them on Castle Crags when I was testing my gear hiking to the top. The bug repellance and breathability is incredible.

The weights probably are a little off, since the pad included the stuff sack, pump sack, and patch kit as well.

I will parrot what another person said and know that I'm going to learn a bit on the trail and I'm definitely expecting to send stuff back or replace as I get more comfortable. At the moment, I am trying to consider the grime that I would be accruing throughout the day and the impact on my bag day after day. Having a sleep set of clothes could stretch the durability of my gear a bit further. Mentioning that it is 11 oz does make me want to reconsider as well, so thank you.

My wife has same or better than me due to her job requiring a lot of walking with weight, so weekend warriors with a strong mental attitude and a background in hiking.

FAK is definitely the place where I need to do the most preparing and final weighing. I only took best guess on it, so it could be half the weight in the end for all I know. As far as I'm concerned, each item is worth the minuscule amount of weight, even if it will hopefully never be used. E.g. the anti-diarrheal medicine.

FAK is definitely the place where I need to do the most preparing and final weighing. I only took best guess on it, so it could be half the weight in the end for all I know. As far as I'm concerned, each item is worth a minuscule amount of weight, even if it will hopefully never be used. E.g. the anti-diarrheal medicine. I've been recommended the Atom 50 and don't know the best way to go about testing it since that would save a TON of weight and appears to have the same total capacity as the ULA.

Thank you for the input on this and I really appreciate the time and Point of view. It helps a lot.

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ryanhikesAZTPCT22•

You already know the luxuries and areas you could cut if you wanted to. Best thing you can do is train. Hike/walk with a fully loaded pack as often as you can.

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Poor_HoboOP•

Do you have any specifics within the sections that I listed? or am I doing about as well as I can within my constraints?

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ryanhikesAZTPCT22•

given your limited experience I would hold off on any major changes/purchases until you get out there and see how it goes. and a trip with one's a spouse, at least for me, is very different than doing something solo. so you may have short days and spend a lot of time in camp playing cards, or maybe not, i don't know. some things:

  • you won't need the DEET until the Sierra
  • your fuel weight is incorrectly listed as 100% consumable. the ~100g metal can is not consumable and should count towards baseweight. the ~100g fuel inside can be marked as consumable.
  • replace the solar panel/battery with a rechargable battery pack from Anker/RAVPower/Nitecore

overall your gear is reasonable and lower weight than average. train your body and especially your feet and legs to get used to carrying 30+ lbs total pack weight all day long in the Desert and then you can adjust as you learn what gear works for your style and what doesn't.

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Poor_HoboOP•

Good to know about the DEET, and the fuel. I wanted to try the solar panel, but just to parrot all the information online, its just not feasible for such a small panel. I was hoping with 8 hours of daylight every day it would add up, it just doesnt.

I agree, closer to the start date I'm planning on doing the Stairmaster with the pack on.

Thanks for taking the extra time to chime in, its appreciated.

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Styffone•

You could also consider treating your clothes with permitting. Most times at camp you would have a base on, and headnet if needed.

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Mathatikus•

I think the biggest places to save weight are your pack. My recommendation is Superior Wilderness Designs or Atom pack. I personally use the Atom. Also your solar charger power bank is a good idea in theory but they aren’t that useful. Rarely do you get the sun in a perfect position for it to charger hanging off your pack and you won’t be stopped long enough on breaks to get any real charge going. I’d switch to a Nitecore NB100000 and save like 13 oz. Everything else in your pack can be replaced to save an ounce or two but I’d recommend spending some time searching around this sub to figure out what would work for you. Ounces make pounds and pounds make pain

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Poor_HoboOP•

It's wild seeing how right you are. That's almost 2 lbs in 2 items. Do you know of anyone/anywhere that I could try on either of those packs in NorCal? I'm definitely getting a new battery pack after seeing the nearly 1 lb savings.

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Mathatikus•

Unfortunately they don’t sell anywhere in stores. Both of them I believe have 14-16 week lead times for a new pack but you can always buy used over on r/ULgeartrade. Great way to try a new pack on the cheap and if you don’t like it you can sell it again. Things go pretty fast on that sub

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Mathatikus•

Here’s myLighterpack that I’m using for the AT. Most if not all could be transferred to a PCT gear list.

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StudioLayoutExpert•

Cool to see someone else with the Cascade Mountain poles... lol

I defend them at every opportunity. They're great. Cheap so if you break/lose they're easily replaced, and they're sturdy as hell.

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Poor_HoboOP•

I saw them rated worse, but still among the top 5 in prior Halfway Anywhere PCT Surveys. They are light, cheap, and I haven't run into any issues with them, even with using them as tent poles.

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StudioLayoutExpert•

I mean, if they're good enough for Skurka...

https://andrewskurka.com/long-term-review-cascade-mountain-tech-quick-lock-poles/

And he offers some hacks for replacing the tips and locking hardware once they wear out, too.

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StudioLayoutExpert•

Although it is kinda weird cuz your link for the poles goes to ZPacks poles lol

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Poor_HoboOP•

Whoops, those were the ones I was looking at previous to these. Also, I like the replacement locking hardware, that's the one issue I have with these currently.

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Do you use Tru Lime (straight up powdered lime juice) without any sugar added? Or the limeade packets?

On a serious note, why the full-sized instead of Garmin InReach mini?

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Poor_HoboOP•

I just need something to cut the flavor, so just True Lime and True Lemon. I was recommended gatorade powder as well, but I haven't done a lot of testing on weight savings. My personal belief is that it probably doesn't matter and whatever tastes better should be used.

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realniart•

Something like an Atom+ 50 liter is over a pound in savings, but maybe the ULA carries that much better?

That pad is real heavy, but maybe the comfort is worth it? Have you tried putting your pack under your feet on a reg Xlite? That's almost half a pound.

Not sure a cup is really necessary, for me cooking any meal except for dinner is a hassle so I just make coffee in the morning.

For the same weight as a pocket rocket, a Soto amicus has a regulator, so you'll save $ and weight on fuel canisters. Also better wind resistance.

Are you carrying any insulating gloves? I'd certainly consider adding that.

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Poor_HoboOP•

Those are all good points, and I don't really have a whole lot of input on the first section since I haven't had an atom to try on. I tried all the packs at REI and a GG Mariposa, and the ULA was the only one that felt right.

I like the width of the pad, but you are right about the pack that I hadn't considered before.

The cup is due to 2 people, and one titanium pot, so that we can eat while the other cooks when using the stove.

Ill look into the stove since I haven't thought about the weight within fuel being a possibility. I just assumed a 4 oz canister is the one to bring. Wind resistance is a definite plus as well.

Finally, for the gloves, I have not gotten to that point and had forgotten to research it for my cold weather gear. Do you have suggestions?

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k9jaghttps://lighterpack.com/r/jhpzks - Shake me down!•

If you want something cheap, Decathlon makes some decent fleece gloves. Or if Merino is more your style, they have a Merino option as well.

Good luck on your hike!

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Poor_HoboOP•

I do like Merino, Thanks for the links. Ill do a cost/comfort/weight analysis against those merino ones and the Montbell that the other redditor mentioned.

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realniart•

I use the Montbell ul liner + wind shell gloves. Weighs under 1.5 oz for both pairs combined. Then you can use the shells as sun gloves if desired.

I had an Atom+ for a bit. To me it was the most comfortable hip belt pack I'd ever used.

You could certainly reduce that med kit a lot, but not without sacrificing safety. It depends on what you're comfortable with. People will call you stupid light on one end and paranoid on the other. Of course, you'll wish you brought more if something does happen, but all I bring is Neosporin, gauze, Coban, advil, and leukotape.

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Styffone•

Could you mail your snow gear to a location you would need it? I wouldn't think you would need that to kick off the BP. I would also drop the cards and journal. Probably not much different than what others have said.

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kendylsue•

First aid kit is way overkill but it’s hard to tell someone to not take first aid items lol…so like, think about what you’d be willing to leave behind and make your own judgement.

You def don’t need bug spray until the Sierra tho. And you def will need more than 3L water capacity in the desert, so I’d recommend looking into a 2/3L cnoc or platypus type bladder for extra capacity.

The one big thing on there I see as totally unnecessary is a cup. If you’re going UL, you definitely don’t need it, esp when you have a pot & stove.

If you really want a cup, you could carry a to-go coffee cup which weighs next to nothing. I went stoveless and did this in Washington so I could bum a stove and make hot chocolate.

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the1eyeddogWilderness Prime MENister•

Lots of great suggestions here, which I won’t duplicate. Some things I noticed that I haven’t seen mentioned yet are some small reductions:

  • 45g of cables seem heavy. Can you leave some cables behind with adaptors? For instance, I have a 3g lightning adaptor for a micro USB that allows me to carry a single cable for my phone and headlamp.
  • A shock cord headband for your NU20 will save a few grams. I got my NU25 down to 38g with just some shock cord and a cord lock.
  • A Lightload towel weighs 8.5g. If you’re just using it for condensation, it’s more than enough. For me, if I’m going into water for a swim, I’m making sure there’s sun so I don’t need anything more.
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