Hamster died in a week

Hi! Just wanted to ask for some advice on what I might be doing wrong. A couple months ago my boyfriend and I bought a syrian hamster we named Wheaty from PetSmart. She was quite skiddish when we got her, but she calmed down after some time coming home. She was never really social, but she seemed happy. She was big and seemed healthy, but she passed within a few months. She ate and drank well, and exercised frequently on her wheel. She had escaped her cage multiple times, and my boyfriend found her one morning with a bloody nose and she seemed to have something broken because she then passed a couple hours later. We figured that Syrians are picky species and she might have just been unhappy with her cage (hence the multiple escapes).

Fast forward, we decided to try again. We tried to find any adoptables in the back of PetSmart or Petco since my state doesn't have any hamster breeders, only rats. We found that no locations had any, so we decided to purchase another from Petco this time. We fell in love with a little boy we named Kodiak. He was quite small for a male syrian hamster but other than that he seemed healthy, and he was quite social. He hopped onto my hand and started crawling up my arm at the store, so I knew he was the one. We decided brought him home, put him in his cage and decided to leave him alone for a week to allow him to adjust to his new environment before attempting to tame him. Fast forward, I was looking forward to seeing him and start bonding with him this Sunday, but I got a message from my boyfriend this morning telling me he is dead. There are no signs of injury, nor were there signs of distress. He was eating and drinking a lot of water, and exercising a lot on the wheel. I am so upset and disappointed, as I have done a lot of research before bringing home a hammy, I got the best necessities that I could buy, but nothing seems to be going right. If anyone could look over my setup and tell me if there's anything we are doing wrong, I would be very grateful. I feel really bad and heartbroken and it feels like I can't take care of anything, which I don't feel is the case.

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Wheaty in her cage

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Bin Cage:

https://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/sterilite-160-qt-clear-wheeled-storage-box/0000000337889

Wheel (11.8 inch):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GS7ZDDR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Hut:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083HYS1YX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Bedding/Litter:

https://www.amazon.com/Sunseed-Natural-Bedding-Litter-Cubic/dp/B07G4KRPXJ?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B07G4KRPXJ&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_7_t

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QGNRR6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Kaytee-Aspen-Bedding-1200-Cubic/dp/B0002AQMKK/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2ZDH4F5OEMCOR&keywords=aspen+bedding+hamster&qid=1642878614&s=pet-supplies&sprefix=aspen+bedding+hamster%2Cpets%2C93&sr=1-5

https://www.amazon.com/Kaytee-Clean-Animal-Bedding-Liters/dp/B0921GXN9Q/ref=sr_1_12?crid=1MDJIL4S7FG8O&keywords=kaytee+aspen&qid=1642878592&s=pet-supplies&sprefix=kaytee+aspen%2Cpets%2C141&sr=1-12

Food:

https://www.petsmart.com/small-pet/food-treats-and-hay/food/vitakraft-vita-smart-complete-nutrition-natural-forage-blend-hamster-food-5298113.html

+ spinach leaves

Treats:

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-20390-Nibble-Rings-10-6-oz/dp/B000633KCG?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B000633KCG&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_1_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Hamster-Treat-Stick-Apple/dp/B07FMBCW2F?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B07FMBCW2F&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_2_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Raviolos-Crunchy-Rabbits-Hamsters/dp/B0002AQCLE?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B0002AQCLE&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_3_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Pet-Rabbit-Slims-Alfalfa/dp/B000FPK096?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B000FPK096&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_4_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Pet-Rabbit-Slims-Carrot/dp/B000AAIAJS?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B000AAIAJS&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_5_t&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Kaytee-Food-Wild-Natural-Snack/dp/B07WF97NJM?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B07WF97NJM&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_6_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Bursts-Flavor-Rabbits-Hamsters/dp/B07KMWC8JX?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B07KMWC8JX&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_8_t

https://www.amazon.com/Flukers-Freeze-Dried-Mealworms-1-7-Ounce/dp/B00HZDXQDI?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B00HZDXQDI&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_9_t

https://www.amazon.com/Vitakraft-Hamster-Strawberry-Drops-Treat/dp/B000MCZUN8?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B000MCZUN8&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_10_t

https://www.amazon.com/Oxbow-SIMPLE-REWARDS-STRAWBERRY-Animal/dp/B00244H90Y?pd_rd_w=cGBl2&pf_rd_p=ee521540-07c2-4687-9605-13c98e32ab2c&pf_rd_r=5J2PW9VW03KTKB3VQ1D5&pd_rd_r=7e473ef1-f873-47b7-8a00-0be269a13f8f&pd_rd_wg=FVnX8&pd_rd_i=B00244H90Y&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_rp_11_t

- The rest of the cage is made up of cardboard

- For cleaning we spot clean every day for little poops and wet bedding, and every sunday we do a deep clean where we throw out more of the bedding and clean out the stash of poop and food

- Treats are given once a week, spinach leaves are given almost everyday

- Water is tap water

- The platform wood pieces are made of pine, which I am planning to throw out as I read some mixed opinions about pine wood. I've heard the pine shavings are toxic to hamsters, but that solid pieces are fine, but I'm not sure that I want to risk it

- I am also going to try ReptiSand instead for the sand bath, because the brand of sand I got doesn't seem to have enough information about it for it to be completely safe

EDIT: Thank you to everyone for responding. Comments have been super constructive and supportive. I feel determined and confident I can make this work. Will post an update whenever I decide to get a new hammy.

Posted Jan 22, 2022, 7:43 PM UTC · edited

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Saliburrito•

I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm not from the US so I can't see all of the links. Here's what I can say tho!

  1. Hamsters from pet stores are known to die suddenly because they have pretty terrible genes. This is most likely why (at least the second) hamster died. I'm not a vet tho so I can't say for sure

  2. The cage seems pretty small. For male Syrians people usually recommend 800+sq inches and for females 1000+sq inches. With bins you need to measure the bottom, not the rim, because they taper. Ikea Pax and Linnmon are great for Syrians and very affordable!

  3. You're not supposed to deep clean every week because it stresses out the hamster. People usually spot clean 1-3 times a week and if you do it well enough you need to do deep clean max once a month. With a bigger enclosure every 3-6 months.

  4. Most of the cage should have deep bedding that holds burrows. I'm not really sure why the cardboard is there like that?

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algiriOP•

Thank you for your response!

  1. This is something I feared. I had really wanted to adopt from a breeder as well bred hamsters are healthier and have better longevity, but I couldn't find any breeders in my state unfortunately, and some hamsters available on Craigslist did not seem okay. There was a listing I saw where a woman had adopted two syrian hamsters from PetSmart, housed them together, and they ended up having babies which were also, all housed into one bin.

  2. This bin was the biggest that I could find for a bin cage, it measures at 36.75 in x 18 in which would be 661.5 sq in. I'll look into a bigger cage when my budget allows, probably a tank when I can find one on Craigslist.

  3. I see, I thought more was better. I wasn't wiping down the cage that often by any means, but the hammies seem to enjoy storing their poop with their food... so I would pick out the poop so that the hut wouldn't get soiled over time. I didn't want them sleeping in it. I will keep that in mind when cleaning from now on.

  4. It's hard to tell from the camera angle in the video, but I had well over 6 inches of bedding in the burrow zone. I used the cardboard as a separator so that I'd have a wall between the paper bedding and the aspen bedding.

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AquaticAnxieties•

A tank that’s 1000+ sq in is most likely gonna be expensive as hell, for a standard aquarium that’s around 120 gallons. If you can afford it, that’s great, but it may not be a viable option if you’re on a budget at all!

So, since you just missed the best season for bin cages that large (Christmas tree bins are really the only bins I’ve found that are ever 1000+ sq in), IKEA really may be your best bet.

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Saliburrito•

Check out the Ikea cages because they really are great! I made mine for 70€! There are tutorials online on how to make them. I also recommend to watch Victoria Raechel's new care guide if you haven't yet! There's a lot of useful info in it.

You could have bedding everywhere (for Syrians it's recommended to have 10+ inches deep) and put smaller dig boxes on stands over the burrowable bedding. Hamsters make surprisingly big burrows and they need a lot of room for it!

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bossybxtchMomma of Chestnut •

I had to keep checking but I found a pretty large terrarium for half off at a pet store (not so much) in my area. Drove 45 minutes away to pick it up and my hammy loves it! We use Velcro to attach the water bottle, have to make sure no bedding is under his wheel or it’ll get stuck on the lid tho. Hope you find something!

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thebarnhof•

Just as a side note, thry tend to poop where they're favourite places are, almost like marking their area. Since they are dry poops you dont need to pick out every one, that might even distress them. Its the pee that you need to worry more about but with a good litter area you're fine

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algiriOP•

That's good to know thank you! I just thought it might be unhygienic for them to sleep in their poop, but I'll leave it alone next time.

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Raspberrylle•

I think the potential genetic problems usually make them die within a year but when it’s in the first week they are usually sick from the disease spreading in the rodent mills. The genetic issues also make them more likely to break teeth and have to live that life.

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Saliburrito•

Oh yeah, I meant that the whole pet shop experience affects that, but it was so clear in my mind that I forgot to actually write it :'D

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rockyboy49•

That bin is small for syrians. Syrians atleast need 1000 sq inches of space. Try getting a dwarf. I would watch Victoria Rachael videos on YouTube. That girl has some really good info. As for the hamsters dieing it's just tough luck. Pet stores hamsters are not breed properly so it's a tough call whenever you buy from pet store. Check out adoption centers in your area if they have any.

Edit: all the things you had for Wheaty are perfect for hamsters. The only thing is the bin was small for him hence the escapes

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RomulaFour•

In my experience, no matter how large the bin, if there is an opportunity for escape, a hamster WILL escape. You need to make the cage escape proof or eventually he WILL get out. Pine is bad for hamsters as is cedar.

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algiriOP•

Thanks for the response!

I have heard about that as well, the second boy Kodiak hadn't made any attempt to escape, but we were planning to drill holes into the lid to make the cage escape proof. After some responses though, I think I might just buy a bigger tank with a mesh lid at this point. I've already invested so much into this, I want to make it work.

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Raspberrylle•

Just drilling holes will not be enough ventilation. Cut out most of the lid leaving a two inch-ish rim. Then zip tie wire mesh 1cm by 1cm to the rim by drilling little holes in the plastic to attach to. People have tried just drilling holes before, their hamsters always die.

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algiriOP•

Good to know, I'm just going to scrap the bin to opt for a bigger cage with a mesh lid. Thanks for the info

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smaugiesmaug•

Kiln dried pine(which is usually sold for small animals just check the label) is actually safe

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algiriOP•

Thank you! I'll look into getting a bigger cage then

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Just wanted to say sorry for you losses and very unfortunate experiences. Judging by your post you seem so thorough and wishing to give your hammies the best life, and I’m sure you did… I’m by no means an expert, but it does indeed sound like bad genes :’(

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algiriOP•

Thank you for your condolences. I'm going to take some of the advice provided by the lovely people who have responded and just try my best going forward.

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Plant_Kindness•

I am so sorry for your loss. You seem like you really care about your hammies so hopefully some people can give some good advice that might help you out.

I don’t know where you’re located but Home Depot is still carrying a bunch of the large large storage tubs in my state on the west coast! Another poster indicated they were not available where they are located. So I just wanted to offer this suggestion since I was also having a hard time locating one post-holiday season and thought perhaps this might help! Mine was about $35/40 (don’t recall exactly at the moment).

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algiriOP•

Thank you for your condolences.

We have Home Depot and Fleet Farm where we are, but the biggest they carried that were actually clear bins were the 40 gallon. My boyfriend and I actually had to drive to two Fleet Farm locations 30-40 minutes away, because the first one we went to didn't have them, and for some reason our Home Depots have barely any options aside from the opaque colored bins. I'm looking into a detolf cage I just found on Craigslist, which hopefully I can secure a date for.

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dracapis•

I'm sorry for your loss.

Hamsters are like any other pet, so before getting them you should choose a vet to whom you could take them in case of emergency, routine checks, and other health concerns. This vet should be specialized in exotic animals and see them right after you take them in (a couple of days of adjustment are fine obviously) to assess their general health. Hamsters have fast metabolism and tend to spiral quickly so if you think there's something wrong with them, you shouldn't wait.

The bin cage is too small. Syrian female hamsters like to try and escape anyway, but the fact the cage was too small probably contributed to the frequency. Syrian hamsters also need to be left out to roam (supervised) at least an hour a day.

Hamsters need fresh vegetables every day, spinach leaves alone are not enough. Carrots and other vegetables with high sugar content should be given in moderation (once a week max). There are also some vegetables that are toxic for them, so be sure to check which ones are safe and which aren't.

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algiriOP•

I do have a vet picked out, but since hamster ownership is quite niche here, the level of care is quite limited.

Agreed, it would seem that the consensus is that the cage is too small. After posting and reading some responses I actually just found someone selling their IKEA detolf cage on Craigslist for $65 (60 in x 24 in), and am messaging them right now

We actually did let Wheaty roam. Once she was socialized we let her roam around and played with her everyday. Also she loved carrots but it was occasional, and we'd even give her bits of egg white for some healthy protein. I'll try a more diverse blend with the next hammy I get.

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Saliburrito•

Hey just a heads up, Detolf is great for dwarves but can be tricky for Syrians (especially females). It has barely enough space for a proper amount of bedding and Syrian sized stuff will take a lot of space. Just thought you might wanna know! I have one for my female Syrian and ngl I wish I had gotten Linnmon or Pax instead. But if it's for a dwarf then it's perfectly fine!

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dracapis•

The detolf is awesome for dwarfs, not so much for Syrians (it’s not high enough). Are you sure you don’t want to go with a dwarf?

By limited options of care you mean vet care is subpar?

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algiriOP•

I might just try a dwarf then, I don't think we'll have space for a cage big enough for a syrian any time soon.

Also by limited I mean that there are very few vets that actually care for hamsters, and the care itself is subpar

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dracapis•

I see. Perhaps it would be better to wait for vet care near you to get better before getting another hamster? You wouldn't have anyone to turn to if it got sick or injured.

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Hey I don’t know what state you are in but you can find hamsters in the animal shelter. I just adopted two where I am for 17 dollars each.

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algiriOP•

I have also looked into that, but again, hamsters are quite niche here. If there are any small animals available at shelters it's guinea pigs and rats, not hamsters.

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ToppsHopps•
  • For cleaning we spot clean every day for little poops and wet bedding, and every sunday we do a deep clean where we throw out more of the bedding and clean out the stash of poop and food

I don’t think this has anything to do with the hamsters short life, just that deepcleaning is something you shouldn’t avoid as much as possible. If you need to deep clean ones a week or even ones a month it is a sign that the enclosure isn’t suitable for your hamster. In best case scenario you’ll never deep clean the enclosure for the whole life of the hamster. Spot cleaning you need to do, including removing fresh food so it doesn’t mold.

Deep cleaning as in removing bedding (not soked in urin for example), scrubbing the enclosure out etc. are incredibly stressful to hamsters. That is why the recommendations from when I was a kid to regularly deep cleaning and replace old bedding with new, is updated to not do so and only spot cleaning. Smells are important to hamster’s, so it’s better to leave cleen bedding that smell like them.

But I think it’s a good idea to not regularly clean out your hamster stored away dry food. Because the hamster need to eat everything from the seedmix you are giving then, so if you weekly put the stored away food in the trash it is highly likely the hamster has only eaten some favorites from the seedmix and the less favorable seed and it’s nutrition are lost.

Hamster poop isnt that bad, they dry very quickly and don’t contribute to bad smell. Even if the poop is in their stored away food it doesn’t make the food bad or unhygienic. Hamster afterall eat their own poop because they need to process their poop twice to get all the nutrients from it, the hard rice sized poops is most likely round two poops, so you can remove excess but you don’t need to stress about removing every single poop or secure their food from poop.

It’s the urin in the bedding that will smell bad and be unhealthy if not cleaned out. So daily or atleast few times a week sift out urin clumps from their sandbath, and removing urinsoked bedding along with.

But again I don’t think this are reasonable explanations for your hamsters short life. It is just a answer to a request for input on the petcare. ❤️ I assume we don’t live in the same country (mine don’t have states so that’s a clue for me).

In the immediate region I live in I don’t have a breeder either, but a breeder a few hours away had contact with a person who regularly traveled across my country and who offered to pickup pets and deliver them to hamster buyers like me, I think they wanted like 15$ usd for for the service. So I guess I’m thinking if you haven’t approached ethical breeders outside of your state, perhaps you could reach out to them and see if they have experience or contacts to offer.

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algiriOP•

Thanks for the response, I deep clean less often and leave the food and poop alone next time ;-;

Also I hadn't thought of trying to find someone cross state. I do wonder if it's stressful for a hamster to travel so far though.

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ToppsHopps•

I don’t have a lot knowledge from a range of hamsters personally. What I’ve read hamster seem to react differently, some sleep through it while others seem more stressed.

I think however that some stress are likely unavoidable. They are removed from their familiar environment to something completely new to them.

It is likely that pets one can buy at pet shops are also shipped from rather far away. Pet mills can be economically in good balance when they can breed a lot of pets to ship out. So from a pet mills perspective it make much sense for them to be able to sell pets to stores in several states. So even if you can buy a pier near your home from a pet shop it is still likely that pet have experienced longer transportation then a pet from an out of state ethical breeder would.

Our hamster traveled 2-3 hours to our home. If I would have purchased one from a local pet-shop in my town in Sweden it’s likely it traveled 12+ hours in a truck from a different country, because the pet mills are so far away and deliver to such a large area to be profitable. A few years ago here there where a scandal where pets such as hamsters where smuggled in to the country, don’t remember exactly but think their origin where from Bulgaria. Many of the pets where dead on arrival and others who where ill where just discarded, even if a local pet ship wouldn’t have illegally imported pets there is noway its origin would have been any closer then the hamster we adopted, I honestly think it’s unlikely there is a pet supplier within my county.

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algiriOP•

I suppose you're right. It would be the same if I went to pick one up from Craigslist 2 hours away, I'd still have to bring them home the whole way.

That's so awful, I thought mills might at least be located somewhere in the country, not out of it. I can't imagine so many poor babies having to go through that and seeing their friends suffer and die. Sad thing is that it was a "scandal" but it probably still happens normally, just people don't see it.

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Knuddelanig•

It is strange that both of your beloved hammies died so soon, reviewing all of your items, I would agree that you need a bigger enclosure, deeper bedding, the sand granule size look fine but it could have additives/there is no information about it, some of the treats are unsuitable, like the strawberry ones (too sugary), and the hay-based ones (hamsters cannot digest hay) The food is also not the best but not harmful! Overall, you did pretty good for a hamster beginner! The sand could possibly be what's wrong because there is no information of what it is made of, but overall nothing seems "deadly" ):

I'm so sorry that this happened, I actually recall something similar happening to Victoria Raechel the hamster YouTuber, she had 2 syrians die very suddenly back to back without finding a reason, it could potentially be bad breeding as other users suggested

I'm really sorry about your loss and hope that if you get another hamster in the future this doesn't happen again!

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algiriOP•

Thanks for the response, definitely looking into a bigger cage in the future. Also thank you! I didn't know that hamsters can't digest hay. I'll tell my friend that as well, she puts a hay rack in her hamster's enclosure. Also going to swap out the sand.

For the hamster's main diet, do you have a better alternative? I got VitaKraft because I found a list on HamsterHideout that listed it as good food: http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/132155-hamster-nutrition-iv-commercial-hamster-food-list/

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julesisinthere_•

check out robins hamster food on etsy or get sunburst. Keep in mind pellets must always be available to the hamster, i recommend envigo (formerly tekklad) if you can find some or mazuri rat blocks are fine. Any other block at the pet store do NOT get. Just a seed mix is not good enough, their diets require pellets and fresh foods. I say cut down on the treat intervals because you have a LOT of sugary treats. To be real with you, I wouldn’t even consider grabbing any of that vitakraft/kaytee sugar crap. Hamsters will enjoy small portions of fresh fruit and vegetables just as much and it’s healthier for them too.

I see you’ve already considered upgrading..make sure you have a good lid for the detolf!

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algiriOP•

Will do, thank you!

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dracapis•

The BunnyExpert line is one of the best, but I don’t know if you can find it where you live.

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algiriOP•

Probably not, it seems like it's not available in the US. Thank you though!

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goddessofolympia•

You can find adoptable hamsters on Petfinders.

I think that you're a good hamster owner because you are openminded about other people's suggestions and you want your hamsters to be happy!!!

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algiriOP•

I just checked out the site; most of the animals posted are guinea pigs and rats, but this definitely seems worth checking back again thank you!

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goddessofolympia•

It's nice because you don't have to check each shelter individually.

Right about now is a good time for finding "Christmas hamsters" that didn't work out.

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JovialTomato•

I had a hard time as well and ended up calling a bunch of petsmart stores. They will sometimes hold surrendered hamsters and adopt them out. That’s how I got my robo

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Raspberrylle•

The first hamster seems to have possibly broken their teeth? They may have gotten into mouse poison or something else they shouldn’t have access to when they were escaped multiple times. Make sure to work on getting a more secure enclosure. Make sure it has a lid.

The second one was probably sick when you got it bc pet store hamsters come from rodent mills. Sometimes you get ones that are dying. Did it have any diarrhea? Either way. Probably got a sick baby to begin with. Make sure they don’t get to hot or cold though, they like the same temperature range people are comfortable in at home. If they die that quickly the pet shop will offer you another free of charge. But make sure you are prepared before getting another. It is better to adopt of course if you can. Depending on where you live there may be more responsible breeders you could adopt from.

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algiriOP•

We're not entirely sure, but I don't think there's any pest control in his apartment...though you might be right, she might have eaten something bad while she was out. Yes, I definitely need a secure lid next time. The apartment is 69 degrees, so I don't think temperature is the issue.

As for Kodiak, we didn't see any abnormal poops. I was a bit worried when we brought him home though. At the store he was housed with another syrian who was probably double his size. Both were allegedly male, from the same litter, and same age, yet he was tiny. The size of a dwarf tbh.

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Raspberrylle•

Poor baby. I’m sorry that happened to y’all. Could have been hydrocephalus or brachy. Sometimes it makes their teeth so soft they can’t chew food.

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keepemclose•

You did „a lot of research“ yet you still got most of the BASIC things wrong? Sorry for your loss but please read up on hamster care.

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Knuddelanig•

I agree that a lot of things were wrong, but still not a cause for death, I don't think shaming OP is very nice but counterproductive

Why not help OP instead with some helpful constructive criticism? :D

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keepemclose•

Because info is out there if you just spend an hour to research how to properly care for this type of animal. Best case scenario would be to do it BEFORE getting two hamsters. Getting pets from Petco, having a small bin cage for a Syrian, deep cleaning the cage, feeding the hamster Petco „food“, not securing the cage enough so the animal escapes and gets hurt. Those are all mistakes that could‘ve been easily avoided to minimize stress for the animals.

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Knuddelanig•

I agree, and this is exactly what they need to hear, depending on how one researches, it can be difficult to find the right information, even this subreddit often has outdated and wrong information

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keepemclose•

Mhhh, I guess you do have a point. I learn new shit everyday but I still find it very frustrating to find people on here who didn‘t/couldn‘t properly care for a hamster and got them hurt/stressed them out in the process.

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dracapis•

The first hamster got out and broke stuff and that led to her death. How is that not a cause of death?

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algiriOP•

Thanks for your reply; I'm not trying to justify my mistakes, which is why I posted asking for help in the first place. I was misinformed, even though I spent over a week researching and searching for the best I could buy. I spent a lot of time on hamster hideout forum and saw most people say that a 600+ sq ft enclosure was fine. In addition, there are a lot of videos on YouTube encouraging bin cages as a budget alternative for a hamster cage. Also when I said deep clean, I never actually wiped down anything unless there was piss on the hut or something. We just took out the bedding that looked dirty or soiled. I took out some of the poop and old food, but I didn't actually take everything out. I already feel bad that I lost two pets, so I don't think you yelling at me without actual constructive criticism is warranted or helpful.

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keepemclose•

Bro literally every reputable source will tell you that a bin cage of that size is not suitable for a Syrian hamster. Also that Petco and Breeders aren‘t places where you should get a pet, let alone a hamster. And throwing out the hamsters food stash? The most BASIC stuff? Get off those hamster sites. Follow some German or Austrian Hamster pages like plueschraupe or chalicherry. I wasn‘t yelling at you (?), this is reddit. Half the stuff you listed here, you could‘ve easily looked up. The Hamsters probably died due to being from Petco and being born into unhealthy conditions. That‘s it.

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algiriOP•

I wasn't sure what was reputable, I was going off of my gut, and what community consensus seemed to be. Everyone is saying different things on different sites. Top it off, I literally got the bin cage idea from big YouTubers like Victoria Raechel, ErinsAnimals, KumaQQ, etc, all of which I feel are reputable YouTubers, especially Raechel.

In addition, how can I look up something when I don't know what to look up? Looking up general hamster care brings up a wide array of general results that give bad information or just overgeneralized tips. The first result that pops up when I search cage requirement for a syrian is 450 sq inches...

Thank you for your suggestions and critique though, I will take a look at those sites you mentioned and try harder going forward.

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Saliburrito•

You shouldn't get hamsters from breeders?

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keepemclose•

No. Breeding animals for monetary is entirely shitty and supporting „businesses“ that profit off of animal exploitation isn‘t a good option. Most of them don‘t give a shit about the health of the parents or the babies. Getting hamsters from rescues is the best option. Hell, she would‘ve been better off saving a Hamster from Ebay since they go through hell and back most of the time.

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