Anybody else remember the saying “sunup to sundown”?

I grew up hearing my grandpa telling me about how when he was younger, he used to work from sunup to sundown in the fields. He used to boast that kids today would kill themselves if they had to endure the hours and conditions that he did.

Now, a year or so after his death, I reflect on his stories: I work more hours in a day than he did at my age, and for lower wages and benefits. He worked sunup to sundown to afford a relatively stable life with multiple kids and a house; I work from 8 AM to 10 PM at two jobs so my wife and I can scrape by. This doesn’t account for the fact that I wake up at 6:45 so I can make it to work on time, 40 miles away. My only day off is Sunday, which I mostly use to take care of my widowed grandmother (his wife).

I wonder if he was born 22 years ago instead of in 1937, if he would kill himself under current working conditions?

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k1ng_bl0tt0•

A lot of pre-agribusiness farm labor was 18 hour days….. for like 3 months out of the year. Once the crops are planted all you do is wait

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Column-VOP•

The stories he told (besides from his boomer silent generation takes on the new generations or whatever) were quite interesting.

He basically worked on what I assume to have been a former plantation. There were houses on-site for the workers, and the farm was pretty much self-sustaining (not in a good way). It had its own bar, general store, etc… All owned by the people that owned the farm.

The reason I suspect it to have been a former plantation is that whenever he talked about the place, he called it the “Plunkett Farm”… No one family owned all that land in rural Arkansas at the time without being descended from the slave-owning planter class.

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Barflyerdammit•

(1937 would be silent generation, not boomer.)

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Column-VOP•

Fair point

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dedreo9•

This is just a nostalgic post because you mentioned 'silent generation':
That strikes me a little (no disrespect to the comment), my paternal grandfather had throat-cancer surgery, about 7 years before I was born, so he also of course had a hole in his throat (like the silly hunter from southpark). He never could use the speaker-thing to amplify his voice, and me having a severe speech impediment myself growing up (until about 9), we learned to communicate to each other with motions to our speech.
Fast forward about 25 years, and my half-sis claimed his purple-heart from WW2 (we had a falling out about inheritances) , but she doesn't know how he earned it; he told me when I was a child, and despite my dad and I going into military service, we can't hold a candle to what Cyril did during his military time.

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You're absolutely right the farm he worked on was a former plantation. They took advantage of good ol "share cropping."

It was one of the ways they kept basically slavery around after the Civil War before we change to the prison industrial complex.

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Column-VOP•

Feels good to be right

Feels gross to know that the Plunketts are still very well to do in that town, though.

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lbloodbournel•

I feel like you’d be really interested in the show Queen Sugar.

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punkboy198•

Yeah harvest used to pay for the winter off. It's grueling work when you need to work but half the year is spent waiting on the other half to take its course.

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Um, no, running a farm is a year round business. Especially if you have animals, they're every day work. Also there's plenty to be done during growing season, not just the intensive harvest months, weeding, fertilizing, pesticide application. Plus you have to plow, aerate, and plant before anything else. And usually different crops have different growing seasons, some you start early some start later, so you're busy and doing things for about 8-10 months, not 3.

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jeffseadot•

Someone still has to milk Ol' Flossy though

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Huh. I go to work before the sun does.

I come home after it’s dark.

Your grandpa had privilege. I wish my hours were that short.

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Column-VOP•

Me too

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I was just thinking the same thing. I work from darkness to darkness. I just got off 15 minutes ago, so that makes it about 8am - 10:30pm. His generation may have worked from sunup to sundown, but we are now working from when we wake up until we fall asleep for considerably less.

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fd1Jeff•

And his grandfather most likely did not do that during the winter months. Unlike us, who get to do a 12 months a year.

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[deleted]•

Absolutely correct, the average person today works more than medieval peasants. Tell me we aren't modern day serfs.

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BWRock•

They don't get it. My parents did fine on one income and they shame me for not having a house or a family.

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amkc22•

I don't understand how people can be that ignorant to see out struggle in today's time. Were they brainwashed that badly that they think what they experienced applies to us as well?

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Any person has a hard time understanding experiences other than their own.

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amkc22•

I would call that too easy. I feel like there is absolutely no empathy at all. Of course you can understand what's going on if you want to.

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Yes, some people are more empathic than others so it comes more easily for them. But can we have empathy for the people who are less empathic?

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BWRock•

They had it so easy. They think I just don't want it bad enough.

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Mercury26•

If they are shaming you, that’s BS. That’s not parenting, that’s being an ass

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brennenderopa•

My grandfather in law used to complain about the "weakness" of my generation and our inability to cope with problems etc. He drank himself to death. I have met boomers who would rather shit their pants than admit they are allergic to dairy.

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Dapper_Pea•

It just makes me wonder. How long were his breaks? How many of them? How long of a commute? Did he have household chores to do when he got home? How much was he paid? Was he allowed to just rest for a moment during the day, or was he made to physically work every second he was "working?" Did he get holidays, vacation, sick days, benefits? Micro-managed or customers screaming and berating for things not his fault? Did he get a sense of completion and ownership of his work? What about unions? What did the government subsidize the costs for at the time?

I'd work sunup to sundown if I could stand around with friends fifteen minutes of every hour, get paid enough to own a house, and have no housework, too. But I would die if I had to do it working in the kind of employment conditions we have today. No human is supposed to be working like a robot.

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Column-VOP•

I can only answer a couple of these questions with accuracy

  1. He did own a home*

  2. He had no housework (my grandma was basically his domestic slave)

  3. Im pretty sure that if anybody micro-managed, screamed, or berated my grandpa he would have them laid out on the floor. He was a strong, ill tempered dude, even well into his 80s.

*well, technically, the neo-plantation he worked on owned the house. He didn’t have to pay rent to them, though

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Dapper_Pea•

Apologies--I wasn't asking for literal answers, but rather pointing out that his "sunup to sundown" may have been substantially less frantic and better paid, with more background benefits than we work for now. We work less time, but have significantly more work and stress. Of course we can't sustain working how we work now from sunup to sundown, but if we had the benefits he did that he wasn't recognizing, we could do much better at it.

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Column-VOP•

I know, I just thought it would be fun to engage with.

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Dapper_Pea•

That's cool! :D But yeah... He might have worked from sunup to sundown, but it's not comparable to how we work today, plus the decreased value of money and rate of pay, plus non-paid work.

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gOldMcDonald•

Ya but compared to a 13th century blacksmith he lived like a pussy. What a little wimp - makes me sad for his generation.

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Column-VOP•

He didnt go die for his liege lord in the Holy Land

What a soy boy he was lmao

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Usinaru•

This. Thanks, made me chuckle

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spanksmitten•

I do find one of my grandparents seems to boast about being essentually traumatised and burnt out when he was young.

Its sort of the consequences of only really understanding mental health and how to acceptably treat other people in recent decades.

Edit: its only since science has come out linking strokes etc in older age to stress in youth that he is starting to empathise with himself (encouraged by me obvs). I still get asked how my "whole depression thing is going" haha bless him

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Column-VOP•

Sounds like a sweet old timer

Mine was too, underneath all of his bravado and bluster.

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spanksmitten•

Unfortunately not a sweet old timer, more of a very loud and will talk to you whether you like it or not with an inappropriate story north londoner 😂😂😂

But yes, lots of things I'd consider as an impact from his generation with a lack of giving oneself slack!

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Mrhappytrigers•

It boggles my mind the way people view working. Back then in certain "low skilled jobs" you'd work long hours that could be grueling yet you could still be sustainable. Now you work that same type job, or even 2+ jobs yet you're scraping by. It's fucking horse shit.

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Column-VOP•

Im FINALLY moving up in the world to a decently paid salary job, but Im pretty confident that Im still going to have to keep my second job on the side to get by

Oh, and my wife works full time too.

Fuck this rigged system

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rooksandnogas•

Several years ago I sat across from a 60 year old at my job. We made similar wages, maybe he got a little bit more, but either way we were doing well. Low six figures. Anyway, he would always complain about how he never had any money, even though he lived in a paid off camper in a trailer park. Mostly blamed insurance, specifically auto.

I ended up finding out that this was the lowest paid job of his lifetime in real terms, even though his wages were his largest ever in nominal. Like at 16 he was making $160k/yr in todays dollars, and it only went up from there for the next 30 years. It was a little mind blowing because he had no cognitive way of dealing with this issue and still blamed poor people for being poor, even though he was paycheck to paycheck as a 60 year old making six figures a year.

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time2pivot•

One thing the early generations completely miss the mark on is that most of us have work email and a laptop. They did not, nor do they consider that work. But it is.

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cobra_mist•

Bet this is one of those guys that stress that he worked OUTSIDE, in the HOT SUN.

And that Air Conditioning magically makes everything better.

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fd1Jeff•

This would most likely have been before global warming. One of my great aunts, who was born in 1915 or so, used to tell me, back in the 1980s, that the sun was literally different when she was a kid.

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cobra_mist•

I believe her

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coffeeblossomLost as Alice, mad as the Hatter•

And before that, when he was in school, he walked FIFTEEN MILES in the snow, barefoot, uphill both ways.

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I imagine alot of people want to kill themselves over current working conditions so he's probably no exception.

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Snakeplissken22•

Yeah, I remember singing slave songs in choir. "Sun up to sundown, pickin that cotton."

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Riatamichoacana•

I be happy if my kids don’t have to go throw the harsh work conditions we have to.

Sounds like you grandpa was a dick.

I’m sorry.

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Column-VOP•

He was a good guy deep down. I miss him.

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Riatamichoacana•

Family can be complicated,

I’m sorry, I never knew my grandpa so I envy you.

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archangelst95•

Remember that generation exaggerates like a MF. Just think of all the "walked to school up hill both ways in the snow" stories.

Working sunup to sundown likely only occurred in the winter when daylight is only 8 hours or so anyway. Or maybe they worked one long summer day, but tell the story like that happened everyday

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YeOldeBilk•

As my former boss would say "they just don't make 'em like they used to"

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Column-VOP•

Glad to hear he’s your former boss

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YeOldeBilk•

Yeah he's a douche and a half

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blade_smith_666•

Unless your grandpa was a plantation slave then he only worked "sunup to sundown" a couple weeks a year. I grew up on a farm too, its not as much work as old fucks want to pretend, just an inconsistent workload.

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CommieLurker•

Oh man, getting to be done at sundown would be amazing. There are periods of time that I literally don't see the sun when I go into work before the sun is up and leave after it's gone. Weeks at a time without seeing the literal god damn sun since I'm inside all day working.

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