Do you get to keep your tips?

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Question for all you servers/bartenders/counter staff- Ever since Covid shutdowns in 2020 we’ve been focused on tipping people a lot more, typically 50-100% of a tab. We’ve wanted to try to put some extra cash in the pockets of those who are working so hard to keep our tourists happy (satisfied?) and are fighting increasing rent costs and general COL. And of course we want to show appreciation to the person that’s worked to put our meal and drinks in front of us too. But I’ve read in a few places recently that some restaurants in our fine town are now pooling tips and using them to pay out BOH staff, etc (which I fully believe they deserve more pay too) - am I reading this right? So now I wonder, if I tip generously, do you actually get to keep it? Or am I just providing extra operating cash that a restaurant manager/owner is using to offset their bottom line of paying their staff a fair wage? I really don’t want to drag any specific businesses here, just more get a sense of what’s happening when we tip someone generously. I wonder if we would actually be better helping others in our community by donating that money to a local charity or something instead (which we also do but with tips it’s nice to know you’re giving it to that person). Advice? Is there a better way to show staff our appreciation?

Posted Mar 27, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

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bruuhhwutshappenz•

This isn't happening everywhere. I am beyond thankful for the generosity locals have shown me these last couple of years. I would have drown without it.

I've been at my spot for several years. Had they demanded we switch to this system I would have walked out immediately.

I say this just reassure you that not all of your favorite local spots are crooked. Some restaurant owners fought really hard to protect their people and see their staff through the madness.

Where I work, we adapted through every phase. Our management worked hard to make sure employees and customers felt safe and comfortable. We saw a lot of changes, and some of those changes were HUGE. Through all that, ownership and management fought hard for us.

Don't give up on the workforce either. Sure, this is happening in a couple places, but those servers are probably planning their way out. Whatever they can manage to salvage away in the meantime is still helpful.

As a local server, I'll take this opportunity to say THANK YOU to all of you who helped the independent restaurant industry get through. You guys made sure I was able to buy groceries, and pay for parking downtown while I work.

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Yeah, I'd never work in a pooled environment. There's been more than enough people I've worked with that did the bare minimum, and I wouldn't be happy with giving them a share of my hard work.

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Difficult_Citizen•

I haven't lived in Asheville in a very long time but I'll assume the fed. min wage for servers is still something dumb AF like 2.13/hr (that's what it was when I lived and worked in AVL back in the day) so tips were crucial to my survival. I live in Portland now and the pandemic has caused a lot of business owners to stop and rethink how they do things. A local restaraunt moved away from traditional "serving" to a new model. There are still servers, but no single server is assigned to you (sections). One person will seat you, another face will take drink orders and make suggestion, a different face will check in for food orders, so on and so forth. They all take part in food running and table clearing. They all work in unison touching every table like a hive mind. It's actually brilliant to witness how efficient it really is. In stead of tips (which we're still allowed to leave in cash if we want) they started a "service fee" which is 22% of every bill - and that money is then pumped into an account that funds decent USABLE health insurance for each and every employee at no cost to the employee, AND allows them to pay employees 25/hour. I don't know the ins and outs, but it was successful enough that other restaraunts are now exploring the same model. Not sure why I'm posting this here - maybe in hopes a restaraunt owner in AVL will see it, and wonder what restaraunt is doing this. It's called Kachka and now that I've actually looked at their website, there is a link that explains how and why they're able to do this. Hopefully this catches on nation wide.

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I'd be more open to a situation like that, but the models I've seen is where people are assigned sections, and the tips are pulled either per shift, day, or week, then divided by number of hours worked. And in those situations the server is paid the minimum per hour, then whatever is on top of that. That's where the distrust comes in, not only from coworkers who you may think aren't pulling their weight, pocketing tips, or taking extra time to do side work, etc etc, you also have to contend with management and how they handle the money. I've worked in at least two places where managers got caught stealing money from support staff, either bar-backs or bussers, which is dirt dog, and I'm convinced it happens a lot more than that. It has happened to me as a bartender for special events and other things, but I was never able to prove because I wasn't there to count the money. Either way, it only takes a few bad experiences and then there's doubt therefore no trust, going into these things. My SO worked a day that wine bar downtown, and found out the bar manager takes a cut of the pooled tips, and she noped-the-fuck-out of there on her first day.

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FertbertbertOP•

And this is what we wonder about - if tips are being taken inappropriately by managers on up for profit or just to get them some extra cash personally. And I can see the point about resentment in the staff if others aren’t pulling their weight but still get the same share.

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FertbertbertOP•

I would go for this. I prefer the transparency of knowing how I’m supporting staff vs the unsettling thought that our tips are being used to increase profits for the restaurant owner.

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Bradbury_Lives•

I work for a high end restaurant downtown with a diseased tip pool. The last place I worked was this tiny burger joint with less than 100 seats. I took something like a 50% pay cut thanks to the tip pool. I'm working at a restaurant with multiple James Beard nominations, working 40+ hours a week, and I'm not making ends meet.

Fuck the millionaires in charge. Tip pooling only benefits ownership. BOH deserves more money; it shouldn't come out of my pockets. If your business model can't work without underpaying your staff, then your model doesn't deserve to survive.

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matthewtwill•

Everywhere is hiring for busy season, and there are still some high volume spots that don’t pool. Hard to make money in actual fine dining in AVL, in my experience, because most are pooled houses. Turn and burn (even at much lower price points) is what I keep going back to. Good luck to you!

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FertbertbertOP•

This is exactly what I’ve been thinking about and I am sorry. Question - if we tipped cash in the folder when we pay with a card, could you keep the cash tip?

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Bradbury_Lives•

Servers have been fired on the spot for keeping as little as $5 for themselves.

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FertbertbertOP•

Man I’m sorry. So it must really suck to see someone drop a big tip on the slip and know you don’t get to actually keep it, even if it was meant for you.

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Bradbury_Lives•

It's incredibly demoralizing.

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stealthperennial•

Bradbury_Lives

Let me guess...Cúrate?

They love to talk a good game about all these things they believe in, but it seems to be only words. No substance to back it up. Incredibly disappointing.

Millionaires who have the money to pay people more, yet pretend they don't. All of the articles about losing SO much money every month because of the pandemic. I wonder what they did with the millions of dollars of PPP money they received from the government?

And now all the expansion on the business...even though they were "losing money." Doesn't add up. Nope.

I don't think they have been fair to any of the staff there, and I'm sorry you're struggling. How long have you been there? There are many places that are far less toxic that I'm sure would be happy to hire you.

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NattyDread90West Asheville :psych1::psych2::psych3:•

High end restaurant in downtown where I work, we tip pool for the whole house

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FertbertbertOP•

Does that mean everyone equally shares the top pool?

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NattyDread90West Asheville :psych1::psych2::psych3:•

No, there is a point system where certain positions get bigger portion, and then its calculated by hours worked.

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Divergent_•

We pool credit tips, but individuals keep their cash tips. (Only one person working per shift, small brewery). So cash is king

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Surveymonkee•

^This. Always tip in cash, even if you pay with credit.

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FertbertbertOP•

Excellent point.

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Surveymonkee•

A friend of mine is a Rabbi. He said circumcisions don't pay very well, but he gets to keep the tips.

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FertbertbertOP•

Oh. That’s good then.

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Bel_Biv_Device•

Tip pooling is more common now than ten years ago. I don't know that I understand your angle. Do you not want your server tip shared? Are you pleased if it is?

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FertbertbertOP•

I don’t really have an opinion to fit what you’re looking for. At this point I’m just looking to learn, as I am old and things aren’t the same from when I waited tables 30 years ago. Well the $2.13/hr for tipped employees, that’s still the same.

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It's different at every place. I worked a kitchen position downtown a few months ago and they shared the tips between the staff at the end of each day. Not sure which way they split it but it did make a difference for the hourly pay

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Big_Forever5759•

I’ve seen the new way of doing restaurants is the self service sort of thing. Because small restaurants have a hard time paying decent wages to servers and servers relying on tips.

There is a server behind a bar for drinks.

And there’s is also tips there.

Trying to make going out to dinner a cheap, common event brings consecuences in certain economies like being able to hire min wage people. Now that there’s a demand for waiters We might have to either accept it’ll be very expensive or self service.

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1982outpost31•

Where I work, tips are shared between everyone working at the time the tip is given, so when you give a big tip you're putting money in the hands of the workers who are there serving you - it's not just extra money for the business.

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FertbertbertOP•

Thank you for this. It seems the strategy to get the most money in the hands of staff is a challenge based on what each restaurant is doing...most likely we'll keep doing what we're doing now and hope that the most cash gets to all you folks that make our evenings out enjoyable. Thank you for that.

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telescopiclamp•

I was at a place where the dine in tips were kept by the server, but the take out tips were kept by the owners. It’s worth asking and employees will tell you.

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