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hostergaard

Innawoods Battery Crafting and creating a primitive path to electricity discussion

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I am taking on the innawoods challenge right now, completely primitive with no buildings or spawns.

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Recent updates allows for a path to crafting soldering iron and welding units. However, there is no way to craft batteries to power them.

There is the dry batteries, which should fullfil this role, but they have the following path to craft

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Dry battery <-- acidic electrolyte paste <-- hydrochloric acid <-- sulfuric acid

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The problem starts at sulfuric acid which has two recipes, one that require platinum and the other hydrogen peroxide neither which is obtainable or craft able in a innawoods challenge where there is no civilisation.

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So, the question becomes, how would one realistically get access to a path to electricity if one where to be dumped naked in a forest with no access to civilisation. Either a new path or along the path to dry batteries would there be a primitive way to craft one of the steps? I would hear what people know if there is a realistic way to mine platinum, or create hydrogen peroxide. Or further along the chain, like one of the acid in a way that don't require something that is impossible to obtain in a primitive challenge.

Here is the recipe for a light dry battery, feel free to explore it and report back if you have an idea how to achieve it.

https://nornagon.github.io/cdda-guide/#/item/light_dry_cell

Posted Apr 1, 2022, 9:58 AM UTC

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LightWave_•

Platinum can be gained as a by product when smelting copper in Innawood.

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hostergaardOP•

Really? That sounds wonderful, I went trough a lot of game files trying to to spot a way to get platinum. Could you describe exactly what is needed, that is do you mean melting down native copper?

Edit: checked in game, yep, melting down native copper. Is that a new addition? I have melted down a lot of copper yet had no platinum.

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LightWave_•

It was added together with the method to craft soldering iron and welding units. As a by product, it's unfortunately very difficult to find when searching for it in the crafting menu, which is unfortunate.

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food_for_Zombie•

According to a quick google search, platinum can be found among the gold nuggets that are usually found in certain rivers. But it's so rare and rare that I don't think it can be applied in the game.

In the Anime "Dr. Stone" a character spent his whole life looking for platinum and could not find more than a few grams.

By the way, how does this method work to obtain sulfuric acid with platinum?

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Life-Magician8286•

The platinum is just a catalyst and can be reused indefinitely, like when they start making their own nitric acid in Dr. Stone.

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food_for_Zombie•

I know, but I don't know the process. Likewise, I'd say it's difficult to realistically implement it in the game. Couldn't you get nitric acid from exclement? I see that as more feasible

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Drac4•

You don't need platinum to make nitric acid, you can also make it through a reaction with sulfuric acid, which may actually be more feasible, because the ostwald process for producing nitric acid requires high temperature and relatively high pressure, which may be hard to achieve in a world without metal containers. You would also need to produce the ammonia, which may be as hard, or harder than producing sulfuric acid.

You can get sulfuric acid by burning saltpeter with sulfur in steam, that would be the easiest method in a world without civilisation, and you can get saltpeter from minerals, or by processing excrements.

But like in many real life chemical processes the problem may be purification, you would need an apparatus to distill the solution. I think you may be able to crudely do it without a thermometer, but I think you would probably need at least copper pipes to cool the vapour. I don't know how feasible is blowing glass.

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food_for_Zombie•

Is there a way to get iron or steel naturally?

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DeLacue•

Yep, you can mine and smelt bog iron. It's found in swamps and can be turned into steel lumps with a bloomery. You can also turn on the mining mod so you can dig all kinds of metals out of the ground.

Be warned though that the time required to get all the iron you need for an anvil and smelt it down is enormous.

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sbenza•

If you have the mining mod you can make an anvil out of a boulder using the construction menu.

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commencing1778•

You're right. Just found some bog iron in a swamp.

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dingdongdickaroo•

Wait do you just dig in the ground or what?

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food_for_Zombie•

I didn't know. Can you write me a mini tutorial?

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DeLacue•

Alright, quick mini-tutorial then; Bog iron is found in swamps and it should have the same sprite as metal wreckage. Get a tool with digging and use the construction menu to extract the iron like you would with a clay deposit.

You'll get iron ore. It'll be slow though. Once you have that you'll want a bloomery which is built with the construction menu. I can't remember the recipe off the top of my head but it's mostly stone and a few other things that aren't that hard to get irc.

Once you've loaded the bloomery with charcoal you'll be able to make lumps of steel from the crafting menu. Lumps of steel made this way take a massive amount of time but have -95% time save on batches. So do them in batches. If you are doing them in batches you'll want a clear work spot or a fiber mat near the bloomery since you won't be able to hold the in-progress craft. It's whole heap of iron after all. Once that's done you should have some metal to do with as you please.

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commencing1778•

You can find steel from searching bushes, helicopter crash sites, disassembling items that contain steel.

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grammar_nazi_zombie•

I’m pretty sure none of that is an option in innawoods.

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food_for_Zombie•

Too bad, honestly I will not give Innawoods a chance until they implement real mining, when that happens I will make a dwarf camp.

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LightWave_•

Innawood lets you gather bog iron from swamps and refine that for iron. Once you have a pickaxe you can also mine stone for random ores. Veins are not implemented yet though.

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RedMatter_•

there is a very, very rare chance that you'll come across steel by searching bushes. It's not really super likely, but it's within the realm of possibility that that you might be able to get a single piece of metal before you're able to get a chisel to make a stone axe.

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EldritchCatCult•

I'm all for increasing the viability of inna wood

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commencing1778•

Only realistic way to get platinum is to get jewelry from zombies/dead bodies on the ground.

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MrAleBor•

More likely in car mufflers.

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LittleMlem•

Which have no business being in a innawoods game

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