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r/Chivalry2•
Ultron-v1

Can we talk about spears?

This is not a post preaching to nerf or buff anything, I'm simply lost because I haven't seen anyone talk about it. Spears are stabbing weapons, yes. The actual stab attack can be easily countered with any weapon, same as its overhead attack. However slashes? Have you ever tried countering a slash attack from a spear?

In my 700+ hours of playing casually and seriously, I can't recall ever once countering a spear's slash attack. I can counter any weapon's slashes, overheads, and stabs, but countering a spear slash? It's essentially an underhanded stab. So am I a moron that's using the wrong input to counter? I've tried countering the spear slash with a stab, but it never works. By the game's logic, I need to counter slash the spear's slash, but that's not the case. Can anyone let me know if I'm alone here or if others have had a similar experience?

Edit: majority of the comments say you can counter a spear's slash with a stab counter. I'll be testing this out tonight when I have more time, and thanks to everyone for their input. Happy warring, yall

Edit 2: Counter a spear slash with a stab. This works, just gotta aim at the tip of the spear when initiating the counter stab

Posted Apr 5, 2022, 12:37 PM UTC · edited

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Moose_Hooves•

You can counter a spear slash with a stab or a slash.

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Nostalgioneer:mason: Mason Order :mason:•

Like others have said, you counter the spear slash attack with a counter-stab. What hasn't been said is that you have to do it very late compared to other weapons. I noticed that if I fight my instinct to counter and wait a second more to do it, I'm much more successful in countering spears.

I'm guessing that when they removed the hurt box from the first few frames of stabs, they inadvertently made spears more difficult to counter.

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Dawrin•

Delaying countering as long as you safely can is good advice generally. Can save your ass when somebody does something like slash-feint-altslash

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zefmdf•

All I know is that the spear's "special" attack of staying in place ready for a horse to charge you needs to go

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Gapeman7:footman: Footman :footman:•

I know. It looks retarded as fuck when you press it in the middle of a duel

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Senkyou•

Yeah but I fucking love doing it for the sudden pace change. Most people don't mess with it for a second because it's just so weird

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Gummybear_Qc:footman: Footman :footman:•

For real lmao people are like WTF. Also you can stab with it if you special attack again from seating but IIRC it does less damage than normal stab...

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leem0401•

If you see someone get into that stance immediately throw something at them.

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joel_met_god•

I actually like when people do that. I just throw my shield at them and continue with the Assault. I've tried using that special and it's not that advantageous of a position.

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Motor_Judgment_214:agatha: Agatha Knights :agatha:•

I personally would like the special attacks replaced with a low thrust, like a crouched thrust with my shield up, with an emphasis on protecting the upper part of my body as I thrust.

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69Shart420:agatha: Agatha Knights | Archer :archer:•

S P E A R

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Mantrum•

What's slash on most weapons is just a second type of stab on spear. There is no spear animation that actually performs a slashing motion. Mechanically though, you counter it with a counter slash input, which in itself is no harder than countering any other attack you can identify.

So essentially, to learn how to consistently counter spears, you need to learn to tell apart the two types of stab, and which input is which.

Edit: Droves of people coming in saying you can in fact counter either spear stab with a stab from other weapons. Can't log in to test it right now, but until I do it seems likely the above is incorrect.

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franklindude•

You counter their slash with a stab. You don’t have to tell their slashes apart from their stabs.

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Mantrum•

The only way this can be true if you can counter both moves with either stab or slash, because I know for 100% fact I've been using (inputs) slash to counter slash and stab to counter stab.

I never even considered you could just do whatever. Overhead is incredibly easy to see, so how is anyone struggling to counter spears if this is true? This would make it the easiest weapon to counter.

It's also weirdly inconsistent because the spear user can not counter a slash with their slash stab input.

Edit: typo

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franklindude•

It is an easy weapon to counter, I think people just struggle because they do not know about the whole slash = stab thing. Honestly, I didn’t even know you could counter their slash with a slash. I (or someone else) should post a video demonstrating how to counter spears since it appears that not a lot of people know about it.

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joel_met_god•

I ignore the slash altogether when fighting a spear user. I only counter-stab or counter-overhead. I use slash spammingly but I won't try to counter slash a spear ever. It just makes sense to counter-stab. Very easy to counter a spear but also very easy to get kills with a spear if you understand you're at a slight move list disadvantage and need to use your distance to your advantage for timing etc. My 1H spear has the most kills on it in game but I prefer the falchion..

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sourdougBorough•

Yes you absolutely can counter a slash attack with the slash input on a spear which is still stabbing attack

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Mantrum•

I seem to have mistyped that one. What i meant is a spear user can not counter a hostile slash with stab (wheel up on PC) input, but he can counter a hostile non-spear slash with his secondary stab input (lmb / slash on other weapons).

Neither of which really makes sense if LMB is considered a stab on spear. Or rather, it's inconsistent in at least one way.

Not that any of that matters. It is how it is. TIL.

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

Logically that makes sense, but have you tried? With any other weapon, you have to aim at the side they're swinging from/tip of their weapon to successfully counter its slash. I've expirimented (And by that I mean lose 0-5 to a guy using spear and shield in 1v1s) the counters but, the counter never seems to work. Maybe I'm just not fast enough to counter it, I totally admit I'm really not that good, but it all goes back to me saying, I've never once countered a spear slash whether on purpose or by accident. I also haven't seen any videos where someone does it too, even when it's spear vs spear. Maybe I'm reaching, and I'm really trying not to, but it seems mythical to counter a slash from a spear

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jellynuts•

So, ime, you counter both a stab and “slash” from a spear with the counter stab input on your own controller. It actually makes it easier, you only really have to read overheads and strong delayed stabs.. and specials too I guess. The kill cam saying “slash” as the finishing blow is what’s causing confusion I think. It would be more appropriate to call it an overhand / alt stab or something.

All that said, I still struggle with the timing, speed, hit box and recovery of a spear user. “Crowd that mother fucker and jab his face off”.. I think to myself as I hesitate and get poked to death.

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

Then maybe I just need to get good. Everytime I see a spear I'll trying countering with a stab. Just hope there isn't a difference with the fact that the spear's stab is an overhand (raised stab), while the slash is an underhand (lowered thrust)

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jellynuts•

I’m fairly confident they are countered the same way, maybe someone else will chime in as well.. the only time I miss a stab counter is when I flub the timing.

Also, keep in mind you can double up a stab counter by tapping block before you release and counter stabbing again. This effectively doubles your counter window if you misread the timing / strength of a stab.. at the cost of some stamina.

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You are fast enough to counter it’s just the spear is broken af and nobody wants to admit it for some reason.

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

I personally refrain from saying any weapon is broken before testing it. Might do that later tonight with a friend just to see for myself

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joel_met_god•

I can only counter-stab a spears slash. A spear can counter-slash any other weapons slash but a spear cannot be counter-slashed from any weapons including spears from my experience. I don't try to counter-slash spears but I remember being very upset about spears early into getting the game cuz I couldn't figure out how to counter them. I usually pull out my 1h spear to take on another spear user but I don't main a spear.

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

I still haven't tested it, and like I've said before, I havent seen gameplay of anyone else testing something similar. Might post a video on here later demonstrating out to counter spears if stab countering does ending up working against spear slashes

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joel_met_god•

I have a twitch with like 20ish hours of chiv game play. I'm sure I fought some spears in there lol. It definitely works to counter-stab a spear slash. It's the only way to fight a spear confidently. You can ignore counter-slash unless it's advantagous for dealing damage such as baiting them with a double counter slash (counter-slash/block/slash). I was a spear main for awhile and it's hard to deal with people who know they only have to stab or overhead. Hope to see your video if you make one tho cuz I've never landed a counter-slash on a spear user.

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Bokatar25:mason: Mason Order :mason:•

I thought the spear slash can be countered with a counter stab? If that isn't the case then it seems like countering it with a regular slash would be awkward. Spears and javs are kinda fucked anyways, they'll literally ignore your parry sometimes

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

I've tried it so many times and I always just get poked instead. I love fighting against them though

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NobodysSlogan•

Speaking of spears and long weapons in general, i've started playing on shuffle recently to try and learn other weapons. Whats with the depth perception in first person (xbox player)?. It seems that in order to be able to land a strike i need to be touching noses with the opponant, no matter what weapon im using.

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jaemneed:knight: Knight :knight:•

how do I counter the feeling that I am on some new research chemical when the damn thing twisty-telescopes outward from roughly one mile away to stab me in the pinky toe for 666 damage?

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ASaltyBiscuit•

I have never really considered this, but you're totally right. I don't think I have once successfully countered a spear slash... I have countered stabs though.

It would feel weird to counter it with a slash when it's so clearly a stabbing motion. I think I'll just keep running away from those types of fights.

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franklindude•

You don’t counter their slash with your own slash, you counter it with a stab. If they slash, you stab. If they stab you also stab.

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sourdougBorough•

But you CAN counter an RT input stab which is swing on every other weapon with a swing from any weapon

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franklindude•

You really shouldn’t though

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sourdougBorough•

Well that I agree with considering you are able to counter 2 different attacks with 1 attack I'm just saying it IS possible

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Eyemore:footman: Footman :footman:•

You know I had a similar conversation with a friend. A spear stab can only be countered with a stab but a spear slash can be countered with both the stab and slash. The problem was that he couldn't tell the difference between the two attacks so he just tried to counter the spear stab with a slash. Hope this helps, maybe you had the same issue.

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Tycho81•

Dont counter but side dodge

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joel_met_god•

This does work very well against spear users. Disgusting to aim in really close combat too. Get in tight and just alternate walking around them in circles and slash whenever they leave their back open during an attack.

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Reluct4ntly_Crouched•

Does anyone else remember pre 1.1 when one-handed spears actually had a slash attack

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

That broken animation always pissed me off lmao

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xch13fx:agatha: Agatha Knights | Knight :knight:•

I agree that countering spears is weird, but countering WITH the spear, is hella easy. The spear is strong 1v1 but loses a lot of its strengths when you get in a 1vX

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

Not if you get a good drag on a stab. It's amazing what you can do against even 3 guys bunched together in a front line

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xch13fx:agatha: Agatha Knights | Knight :knight:•

I don't disagree, but that move is situational at best. I'm comparing it to an exe axe or HS. Jump in the middle of 5 men, and you have a decent chance of coming out of it alive. With a spear, you're fucked. In a 1v1 situation though, spear is just as good, if not better, than most weapons which excel at 1vX. I view spear as a strong support weapon, it really shines when you are poking over and around your teammates.

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MadChild2033:agatha: Agatha Knights | Knight :knight:•

you could just block. counter isn't always the best

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joel_met_god•

Sometimes blocking leaves more room for alternative attacks as well. Such as kicking or specials. Too many times I get locked into a counter war till one of us reposts and kicks then whoever got that kick usually shreds up the other.

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DullResponsibility3•

you change the stabbing key to the mouse 4 or 3 key. make it easier to counter the stabbings

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Pinconartist•

Jab is over their head and slash is under their chest

It’s less obvious but it’s there.

But I’m pretty sure mechanically a spear “slash” is still a jab and can be countered with a jab.

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Nichool162•

Technicaly the spear slash doesn't exist which I agree is a bit confusing. Both the stab and slash input ends up with the user performing a stab. I don't even think that there is an animation difference depending on the input (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Where it is even more confusing is for countering as a user. You still need to counter an enemy's slash and a stab using the corresponding input. However in your case if you see a spear user doing something that looks like a stab just counter it with a stab

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Xionix1•

Slash stabs are hip-level while normal stabs are a high grip head-height stab for the 2h

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joel_met_god•

Spear slash is an underhand stab that just gets jutted forward. Spear Stab does an overhand animation where the character puts their elbow up before jutting forwards. I think the slash input is slightly quicker to deal damage. Spear is pretty silly to figure our but it quickly became my most efficient weapon. I prefer the falchion still though cuz getting the head off on the final swing is my main goal.

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willislawless•

Spears are broken. I was hoping they would nerf them. But with this spears out update I'm sure they're likely to only be buffed. I was about to stop playing chiv2 and be done with it but the new server select feature managed to keep me goin for now

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Ultron-v1OP:mason: Mason Order | Vanguard :vanguard:•

I thought the same thing, but I promise they're not. They're just hard to read. Just remember 2/3 of attacks from spears are stabs. They can be countered with stabs, and it's surprisingly easy to do. The good spearmen will mix in overheads with the stabs though

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