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eblees

A question to libertarians/Ron Paul supporters.

First of all, I would like to state that I'm not trying to be arrogant or a smart ass, I just want have a better understanding of U.S. politics. My question is aimed at the moral fundamentals of libertarianism, not the efficiency or practicality of policies

My question is if a person can afford to hire bodyguards to protect his property or can protect his property and himself on his own, why should said person pay for policemen for society. is it morally wrong to force said person to pay for something he has no use for, but others will use using his money.

Posted May 23, 2012, 1:27 AM UTC

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Zak•

Libertarianism includes many schools of thought with many different underlying philosophies. A few lean heavily on private property and voluntary interaction, declaring all taxation to be theft. Many accept that real property isn't entirely private, that some things necessary for a good society are hard to do well without some government and that policing and a criminal justice system are among them.

In the case of the Federal government, the vast majority of the budget is split between wealth redistribution (welfare), insurance (social security, medicare, medicaid) and warfare. I think most libertarians would like to start by scaling back some of these expenses. For example, the US is, of course number one in the world in military spending. We spend as much as 2-15 combined.

It's also important to note that there's an element of Federalism in Ron Paul's brand of libertarianism; it includes the ideas that many functions of government, including most policing should be done at the state or local level. Even so, most of us recognize some need for Federal law enforcement. We would eliminate the TSA and DEA, scale back the FBI and take a hard look at the behavior of CBP. we would not eliminate it all.

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therapest•

You're coming from a voluntarist/an-cap point of view. We're not there yet. What's important now is promoting people like Paul who are topically consistent and gifted with the ability to speak a peaceful message in a manner that everyone can understand.

With that said, yes, all human organization should be based on peer-to-peer and group consent. However, if you look at history, you'll note that we've just barely crawled out of some seriously dark times. Humanity is a very long experiment that gets better as it matures. A shit ton has happened in the last 100 years alone. Eventually we'll get to a "voluntarist society;" what's important now is galvanizing our efforts, not obstructing them.

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I think you should ask your question at r/Anarcho_Capitalism

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ebleesOP•

My answer to you hypothetical question is no, now can you please answer mine

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ebleesOP•

what if i live in a county that has a police force, should i be forced to pay for something i dont use

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AnnArchist•

Would he keep his money without the police? Did the laws of the land help him obtain his wealth?

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ebleesOP•

in this THEORETICAL situation I'm assuming that said person was born in a very rich and influential family. and has enough power and influence to protect him self and property

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AnnArchist•

would he have to pay to bring charges against the person who kills his relatives or his guards?

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