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Bivol v Canelo was fixed, but not how, or why, you think

Inb4 - "Coping for Canelo loss" Yes, but also, hold on a second, a question for you - do you think very smart, intelligent people, who have massive power in boxing - could work together to maximize their profits, in boxing? If you think yes, maybe continue reading.

Obviously Bivol beat Canelo, I had it 116-112 for Bivol. Canelo looked like he was just trying to hammer Bivol's right arm to stop the jab, then throw powerful shots at Bivol's head once the arm was out of commission. This did not work, Bivol is tough, and he said he trained by getting punched in the arms. Canelo and Eddy, one of the best trainers and fighters alive, did not plan for any shots to the body, even as a backup technique, even in the first few rounds.

Canelo was tired towards the middle and end of the fight, except when he did stay active throughout, throwing some snappy, powerful punches, dodged, weaved, and blocked the vast majority of Bivol's quick combo shots, and picked up Bivol's bodyweight by his neck and walked around like he put a backpack on - no no stupid, your eyes aren't seeing what they're seeing - Canelo was extremely tired, the commentators even said it! Canelo didn't prepare properly, like all the other times he didn't prepare his cardio properly.

Therefore Canelo, pound for pound #1, one of the most technical and intelligent boxers of the last few decades, was beaten on the scorecards by Bivol. He was backed up and BEATEN with lightning quick combos, straight to his face. Yes, Canelo had basically zero swelling or even redness on his face by the end of the fight, but Bivol's power was too much for Canelo! Don't question it, dick-rider.

Canelo's power doesn't transfer to light heavyweight, despite KO'ing a light heavyweight before, and routinely beating up fighters who come into the fight weighing 180lbs anyway. I mean come on, he landed only ten to twelve shots to Bivol's right arm, and left it terribly bruised. If Canelo had real power at light heavy, it would've only taken one or two shots to get that effect.

Additionally, Canelo didn't want to hype this fight too much just because he didn't feel like it, Hearn too. They just didn't feel like it. No documentary throughout camp like his 168 campaign fights, very little media attention directed towards it, kind of just showed up to fight. No shenanigan's like slapping Plant, big show for BJS, or big comeback fight with Callum.

Canelo just abandoned his informed and intelligent style from essentially all his previous fights, he just felt like it. Watch the Kovalev fight, watch the Callum Smith fight, even the Liam Smith, GGG, and Jacob's fights. That style was simply abandoned that night, shut up, don't question it, just accept all this and the above.

This is what Canelo, Eddy Reynoso, and Eddy Hearn expect you to believe.

What other seemingly invincible fighter got beat, then was able to trigger a massive rematch clause, then simply outbox and outclass the other fighter so badly that no rematch was requested by anyone? Besides Hearn's Anthony Joshua.

AJ was not beaten by Ruiz on purpose in the first fight however, he looked like he got hurt bad, but still - we've seen AJ get hurt and come back to win against smarter and stronger opposition. Not declaring anything about that fight, yet.

So AJ got a long time to train, prepare, and outbox Ruiz. And he and Hearn made a career high payday through that fight, his reputation was really not hurt much at all. Still champion, still extremely rich, still world famous. He got a gigantic ring, which coincidently helped his style that night.

Hearn organized Canelo's incredible 2021 campaign at 168, I don't think any other fighter has gone through all the champions like that before. They made massive amounts of money - but how could they make that much money in one night, instead of a year? A fight bigger than the GGG 3 fight?

A Saudi Arabia rematch with Bivol. You think Hearn was helping Canelo in his 168 fights for fun? Just because he's nice and loves boxing? No no, Hearn did some business for Canelo, now Canelo has to do some business for Hearn. You think Hearn looked surprised at all from the outcome of the fight? Remember when he said that he'd been working with Bivol for a very long time, that same night? I don't think Bivol was in on it, in fact he looked very surprised at how rather easily he won, by staying to his same style, throwing rather weak, but many, shots, one or two good counters throughout the fight.

So I ask you, because I respect your intelligence, which is easier to believe and more possible; Bivol outclassing and beating Canelo with all the points I included above, or convincing everyone that Bivol outclassed Canelo? Just saying.

Posted May 19, 2022, 4:32 PM UTC

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badagrump•

I think I need a drink after reading this.

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LatterTarget7•

I need multiple drinks

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No-Shoe5382•

I don't have the patience to read this, can you explain to me why this guy thinks it was fixed?

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ro-row•

Basically because Canelo looked bad but didn’t look particularly beat up it was a ploy to have a big money Middle Eastern rematch but that ignores the shitty cards and the fact that Canelo was 1 round away from a robbery

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No-Shoe5382•

And the fact that Canelo can have a big money Middle Eastern fight whenever he wants. He doesn't need to lose in order to do that.

Canelo vs GGG 3 in Saudi Arabia would've done serious numbers, almost certainly more than a Bivol rematch would.

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ro-row•

Yeah I really don’t get it, honestly the only person who benefits from his imagined scenario is Bivol whk gets two big money fights

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Icy-Sugarr•

Guy claimed it was a strategy by Eddie Hearn and his proof was the AJ vs Ruiz fights going to Saudi. Wanna bet he wears a tinfoil hat as well.

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PHBGSOP•

No it doesn't, would have looked weak and old like he did in his Japan fight. It wouldn't mean anything for his legacy, but beating a fighter he lost to, in a larger weight class, would add serious weight to his legacy.

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PHBGSOP•
  1. Shitty card doesn't matter, Hearn always puts on shitty undercards.

  2. Doesn't matter if Canelo was close to a robbery, he lost, now Hearn gets to sell a massive fight with all factors in Canelo's favor.

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yura910721•

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A1_PunisherPipkins•

The earth being flat is a better theory than whatever this is

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Due-Mango1379•

Genuinely one of the worst things I’ve ever read

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I_Love_You_Tyson•

I don't know, to me it looked like Canelo tried various game plans that all failed, as for his cardio just like Bivol said post fight he throws too many power shots, try swinging hard right now vs 70% punches and you'll immediately see the difference in fatigue. Added up over 10 rounds you got a problem. Not to mention his lasting outing vs Kovalev he also was having trouble in a lot of rounds before obliterating him. I believe his power was still there but he wasn't connecting well enough for it to matter.

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SuperDuper6742•

Yeah as a Canelo fan I enjoy seeing him beat Kovalev, but from what I understand (as a newer fan of boxing) that was a ghost of the Kovalev who became as successful as he did. Bivol is much more intense than faded Kovalev (who Canelo still had difficulties with).

And idk, while I find this theory entertaining and amusing, I don't see why this couldn't have been just a bad night for Canelo. Bivol had a ton of advantages (the weight class, a bit bigger, a style that isn't easy for Canelo to beat, very intelligent/calm, great fundamentals) and Canelo got stuck (never known for fantastic cardio, power shots couldn't land/injure Bivol, a pressure style that doesn't work as well on guys who aren't afraid/weaker). And I want to stress that last part. Canelo's whole style went out the window with Bivol because he couldn't bully him. That's pretty brutal for a guy who's basically bullied the last few of his opponents who were all pretty good fighters (not counting Yildirim lol).

This guy acts like Canelo not adjusting or changing game-plans is weird/suspicious. Kinda hard to do so when EVERYTHING you do went out the window lol. Like for real, I see people calling Eddy Reynoso a bad trainer just for the fight with Bivol. What was he supposed to do? This was literally in every way the worst fight of Canelo's life (after his fight with Mayweather of course).

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yura910721•

Yeah as a Canelo fan I enjoy seeing him beat Kovalev, but from what I understand (as a newer fan of boxing) that was a ghost of the Kovalev who became as successful as he did. Bivol is much more intense than faded Kovalev (who Canelo still had difficulties with).

After seeing what Bivol did to Canelo, I do wonder how Krusher version of Kovalev would have coped with Canelo. Even that version that fought against Ward: Ward managed to make fight slow and dire(lots of wrestling and infighting) and Canelo isn't interested in grappling, he wants a firefight. That version of Kovalev might have enjoyed that type of fight much more.

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Bobo_Balde2Would bottom for Benavidez•

You would see a global conspiracy in your cornflakes.

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cte_fans•

"get over it"

–Saul Alvarez

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Spyder-xrAmir Khan’s legendary chin•

I have an easier time believing Mike Tyson was robbed by the ref with a long count in Douglas vs Tyson then whatever this shit is.

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Epsilon2099•

TLDR.

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THE_LORD_HERESYThe GOAT and TBE of /r/boxing•

I had it 116-112

I stopped right there.

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Icy-Sugarr•

Uh, no

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kfirerisingup•

It's obvious that there is a lot of funny business in boxing but you've missed the mark here imo. The only funny business I saw was Canelo getting better cards than he deserved.

The cards don't favor race or nationality and I don't care where the fight takes place since the judges can be from anywhere the bad cards favor the guy expected to bring in the most money for the network, promotion, sanctioning body etc which was Canelo.

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Ownpath69•

? A rematch wouldn’t make Canelo more money than winning and facing any other big name. Shit a ppv vs Charlo and Benavidez would generate a way bigger audience. Canelo did what Canelo does without having the advantage of completely out powering his opponent.

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Ubykrunner•

This will be good in a future Hearn's biopic. Now he just need to die in a flamboyant fashion to attract the attention of mainstream media and BOOM: "Hearn" starring Ryan Reynolds in a dramatic role gets 5 Academy nominees (but still 0 wins cuz Reynolds sucks really bad).

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Ubykrunner•

I can go with that. But for Canelo I want a bulked af Jesse Plemons.

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yura910721•

Style make fights and mover with good boxing IQ is always gonna give heavy footed shorter slugger like Canelo problems. The question for me was whether Canelo's punches bother Bivol(like Smith's punches bothered Bivol) and turns out Bivol barely flinched when Canelo managed to land. And when that happened it was basically game over for Canelo.

We already seen what happens to mover after they "feel" Canelo's power: they become more cautious and stop committing to their shots. Both BJS and Plant, arguably lesser fighters than Bivol, had a lot of success earlier in their fights, before Canelo caught up with them. Going up in weight class Canelo no longer had that eraser(he still could hurt Bivol, if Bivol allowed Canelo to put some combos, but Bivol was too cute for that) that could change a fight. He landed those telling power shots that fcked up 168 pounder and Bivol didn't react.

Canelo can make butt loads of money from fighting literal cab drivers, the hell would he lose to Bivol on purpose. It is much more beneficial for him to keep winning and adding up to his legacy. If they wanted that drama, it would have been easier to give GGG a win in a rematch and make dramatic 3rd fight. Losing to Bivol on purpose, just doesn't make much sense.

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PHBGSOP•

I absolutely respect anyone who disagrees with me, but if you're getting angry because I'm asking you to consider something you don't want to consider, I'd refer to getting a grip on yourself. Additionally, I brought up some points above - please describe why they make perfect sense, when removing my sarcasm.

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FloppyWaffleManThrough you like laxatives•

No you’re just talking shit mate, anyway hope the rest of your life isn’t infested with this level of paranoia

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JustMalla•

Please give a TLDR; I ain’t reading that essay.

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