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WaveCore

What Would You Draft?

ARAM is obviously random champions rolled, but when you get a few or several rolls to work with, there's always room to theoretically choose the best comp available from your options. Some games imo are even won off of a single good champion choice that ended up saving the comp from losing to a certain matchup by default.

I wrote a simple script that randomly grabs 10 champions for the roster to simulate an ARAM champ select. This time they were:

Jinx, Zeri, Morgana, Zac, Gragas, Sona, Kindred, Lulu, Sivir, Katarina

The best, highest win % comp I think you can make out of these choices is taking Jinx, Morgana, Gragas, Lulu, Sivir. You're picking a very safe, reliable play around the hypercarry comp. Jinx is an insane ADC and will be supported by both Morgana and Lulu here, waveclear and stall will be handled by also Morgana and Sivir. Single threat comps are risky when the player on the carry makes a mistake, and so Morgana and Sivir also serve as secondary carries so that the team isn't reliant on only Jinx to do damage. Morgana is honestly just an insane champion, she can do it all.

I chose Gragas over Zac as the frontline option because Gragas is more suited to peeling than Zac is. Zac is more of an offensive tank, but this comp ideally does not want to fight much until Jinx and Sivir scale up harder. The gameplan of this comp will generally be to just throw out poke, waveclear, and wait until Jinx gets 3+ items. Can't really think of any clear counters to it either, it's a pretty gross comp imo.

Zeri and Kindred are the other possible primary carry choices but they are imo much less reliable than Jinx. Sona right now is apparently just undertuned. Picking Katarina may have higher potential payoff but is much more risky.

Let me know if you disagree, and if there's enough interest these could be become more regular.

Posted May 31, 2022, 9:03 PM UTC

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You-Deserve-Cancer•

Considering I could build a team around me I would pick Kindred while my slaves get tank Gragas, Morg, support Lulu and a good Kata.

Jinx is nerfed pretty hard, Kindred has buffs and more survivability if the supports fuck up. Kindred ult + Gragas ult fucks enemy divers hard.

I dont need a 2nd ADC, but Kata will be a great distraction that needs ppl to focus her and Kata + Morg is a very annoying duo to play into.

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WaveCoreOP:Lee_Sin: :Kassadin: :Brand:•

I'm reconsidering actually, Kindred normally is a little unreliable and somewhat easy to counter, but supports can mitigate these and her cap if she gets to be strong is really high. I still don't think you can ever go wrong with Jinx but I'm definitely seeing Kindred as a very reasonable contender.

the problem with running Kindred Katarina imo is that you leave a weakness in the early game. you patch up weak early games either by picking a strong champ to carry it a bit, or just by running waveclear that lets you not just gradually lose your towers until you're strong enough to fight. Sivir (caster, not marksman) is the patch up here imo, she waveclears, she can poke, she's a safe backup carry, and her ult honestly provides solid utility. When I draft, I like to prioritize covering worst case scenarios. I think I can see the ideal Katarina Kindred duo situation and it certainly can stomp harder, but also is more risky.

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You-Deserve-Cancer•

Problem with Jinx and Sivir is that you have two adcs that have at least a 10% dmg dealt nerf and enemies will very likely stack armor against them further reducing their damage.

Kindred isnt weak early, her range is just low. Against high range poke comps thats obviously a disadvantage but none that cant be overcome.

Morg W, Gragas Q, Lulu E + Kindred W sustain and WQ waveclear should be enough to survive for the inhib tower against even the most oppressive siege comp.

Id rather make sure to make the strongpoints of a team as strong as possible instead of going for a slightly weaker weakness. Even with Sivir and Zac instead off Kindred & Kata that team will have a hard time against an ideal comp of poke, siege and disengage.

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supercoolisaac•

Jinx + Kindred backline, Gragas is the obvious tank pick, Lulu + AP Morg make the most sense in the last 2 spots blind.

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BUCKS-IN-6-•

Kat over Sivir. More versatile, hard to stop her from taking over with Lulu and Morg. The rest are fine.

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Zeke2d•

I'm not a fan of Morgana as a carry because her damage is too unreliable, but it says a lot about the draft that she has the most reliable form of magic damage here.

As for the enemy stacking armor, I'm primarily a tank player and I can't remember the last time I felt tanky against a hypercarry, let alone a hypercarry backed by two supports. It's pretty disgusting.

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WaveCoreOP:Lee_Sin: :Kassadin: :Brand:•

tanks can't really tank unless they are against some awful low damage comp

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seasonedturkey:Riven: :Rengar: king of autopilot•

I think Katarina warps this draft because she can 1v9 played correctly and has itemization choices into any comp. The team should be drafted around her.

Katarina, Sivir, Morgana, Zac, Gragas

Katarina abuses Sunderer and Death's Dance. She can opt into Bork or full AP, and Sunderer + DD into tank is always solid.

Morgana and Sivir for the same reasons you described. They can protect towers even while the rest of their team are dead. Black Shield is a big plus with Katarina.

Zac normally I think is pretty bad, but works well here given this comp requires hard engage and can followup quickly with Sivir.

Gragas provides AOE disrupt to peel against threats to Sivir and Morgana after Zac has used all of his CC. Lulu is another option here.

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WaveCoreOP:Lee_Sin: :Kassadin: :Brand:•

Putting your eggs in the Katarina basket is just needless risk imo. Jinx with 2 supports can carry really hard too and is way less likely to fail. I would only trust a really good Katarina, and if that's the case, you'd have more chances of winning if you have a really good Jinx/ADC player too anyway. I understand that melee carries CAN pop off harder, but that's balanced out by how counterable they can potentially be.

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seasonedturkey:Riven: :Rengar: king of autopilot•

I dislike the Jinx comp because it lacks hard engage. Playing against poke will be pure suffering.

Katarina has many counters but most of them can be avoided by having hard engage and Black Shield.

I also didn't want to bring up "muh aram nerfs" but Jinx is -10/+5 whereas Kata is +10/-10.

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WaveCoreOP:Lee_Sin: :Kassadin: :Brand:•

But then the factor is the engage, not who the carry is. Katarina does not qualify as engage. Katarina is also even more susceptible to poke as she can't build significant lifesteal, all of her healing is in-combat.

Champions that don't rely on burst but are more DPS oriented don't mind damage nerfs as much. It's not a big deal for Jinx who just ends up having to auto maybe 2 times more, as long as she just doesn't die, she wins. It fucks over someone like Jhin more, where if he misses a damage threshold, he gets punished much harder for it. I feel like people shouldn't think that all buffed champs are strong, and nerfed champs are weak, there was a reason for the buff/nerf in the first place. Jinx isn't weak just because she got nerfed from a 11/10 to a 9/10

I also think in general, a comp that is forced to be proactive to win is harder to execute, and there will be more chances for miscoordinations and things to go wrong.

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seasonedturkey:Riven: :Rengar: king of autopilot•

Katarina does not qualify as engage

I was referring to Zac.

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