Vandervis questions 9/11 explanations
odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/vandervis-questions-91...Posted Jun 19, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC
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Jet fuel can't melt steel parking tickets.
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My greatest achievement in life is having him block me on Facebook after I broke down why his understanding of biology and statistics was objectively wrong and stupid.
It’s completely unsurprising that he follows this nonsense too
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It is my personal experience that he gets really pissed off and angry if you suggest he might be wrong about something. This is not a recent development, the tantrum I observed was 25 or 30 years ago.
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He's a contributor to the Dunedin Ratepayer's 'apolotical' Facebook group.
apolitical + Facebook is an oxymoron, which makes it pretty laughable that that's on the group's description
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Must be a lot of lead in this geezer's blood
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He's like the ODT's version of Donald Trump.
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Might well start calling him Hairy Maclary, because he is 100% is out of the gate and off for a walk.
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I'm not a fan of Vandervis, but how does a plane crash into the pentagon and yet there be no footage?
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I don’t think the largest intelligence apparatus in the world just lets media in to film, nor releases in house cctv footage, even in the event of a terrorist attack. Is it shady of them? Sure, maybe.
But I would guess it’s them being overly cautious in regards to potentially exposing vulnerabilities and/or state secrets.
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They couldn't even release the footage taken from the gas station near by or the hotel a few blocks away. They took all the footage from nearby building, but couldn't release one bit that shows a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Did you see the hole in the building, very circular, no wings, apparently they folded in rather than damage the building. Likewise the engines disintegrated rather than hit the Pentagon, that's one patriotic air plane. Fact is if no plane hit the Pentagon, then the whole thing is dubious at best. And just a coincidence that it happened on a day with a catchy name like the American emergency number 9-1-1.
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How do you know that there’s a perfectly circular hole. If there’s and I quote “no footage from anywhere”
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There was footage at the time of the fire, I was alive at the time so remember watching the news as this was going on. Circular home with no mark on either side of the building where the wings and engines should have hit in fact the windows where the wings should have hit were intact. There is no footage of a plane hitting the pentagon, or evidence of it other than one engine part they displayed.
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Hush, there's a witchunt going on.
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yet there be no footage?
Like this footage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8&ab_channel=APArchive
You have to remember it's 2001 and cameras weren't everywhere and smart phones didn't exist.
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My fave part is when you can see the plane crash into one of the most surveilled buildings on earth
Oh wait.
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Moderator ruling: can't believe I have to say this, but no, this is not a space to debate 9/11 conspiracies.
Conspiracy theorists: you're not welcome.
People trying to argue with conspiracy theorists: stop it.
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How does this man have the following he does?! He's absolutely cooked. Media must love him.
It’s horrifying how many people agree with what he’s saying, and feel validated by having a public figure say this shit out loud. These people walk among us.
The joys of having two leading idiots as the only real choices for the top spot.
You have the spend loads, sanctimonious prick, greeny, which is going to divide votes.
And the crazy, yelling at clouds, anger management issues moron, which is going to divide votes.
Basically, the majority of people will vote one or the other, there's not going to be much ummming and ahhhing.
And any others will have their votes transferred.
What Dunedin really needs is a cleaning of house in the council and mayoralty and some people in there who will listen to people in the city, a provide a sensible leading hand without having their own agendas leading the way.
"listening to the city" is irrelevant, and elected people should really only do what they campaigned on.
the public is stupid, and if we "listen to the city" you'd just get the same loudmouths saying the same thing over and over, whilst most of the public is apathetic to most things. Its a good way to go backwards.
Yes and no.
When we have large portions of the population speaking against the council, but they go ahead anyway, then it's crazy.
Let's take the 40km/hr speed along the peninsula (since it is a current example). The absolute majority of peninsula dwellers don't want it, and signed a petition to have it reversed (or reviewed).
And the council have wholly just rejected the petition, instead of even evaluating it.
Fuck you are out of touch. Stop spending so much of your life on Dunedin News.
People (like yourself) seem to hate that he listen to experts over "popular" opinion, but I find that a huge breath of fresh air.
Hahahahah.
I'm banned from Dunedin news because the guy who runs it is an A grade cunt who can't take a joke!
And assuming you are talking about Vandervis, you have a screw loose.
Anti Vax and conspiracy therories? Is that truly the person you want in charge?
Whether he fights against the others policies or not (right or wrong) he's still not fit to be a publicly elected official.
Just his bouts of anger are enough to show that.
u/LePlaneteSauvage
chill out.
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It’s an STV election, so votes don’t really get divided like that. Yes there is still some splitting as people don’t rank number 1 to whatever. But under STV the person most people prefer, (not always first choice obviously) gets in.
I took a look at the figures for the last election, the number of voters who didn't choose either of the top candidates was a bit frightening; neither top candidate was anywhere near 50% of the vote after preferences, if you included exhausted ballots. Given this, there's still a big role for strategic nomination -- the current practice where half the councillors have their hat in the ring for mayor (just to boost their profile to get back on council, for many) would definitely still lead to some vote splitting on an electorate-wide level. Of course an individual voter can vote freely and avoid having their vote wasted by ranking all the viable candidates, but at a wider level there would still be some wisdom to politically aligned councillors to collectively settle on a preferred candidate or two, rather than just all dipping their toes into the mayoral election and competing for the same voters.
Or like me, just don’t vote because I hate both options.
tbf he wasnt this crazy last election cycle.
will be interested to see how well he goes this time round. However, I would hazard a guess Hawkins is unlikely to get much challenge from him.
Absolute bell. But hey everyone loves a conspiracy.