Not shocked.
Posted Jul 22, 2022, 11:41 PM UTC
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All I know is... if these murders/carjackings/shootings/dirt bike riders/squeegee boys/stolen recycling bins/homeless encampments/pee-ers in alleys/etc. do not drop significantly within a year, someone has some explaining to do! /s Because Bates is supposed to be the "only I can fix it" person, if you believe this subreddit. Last go round, Vignarajah was The One...
I do not think the state's attorney, alone, can fix it. Both Bates and Thiru even agree with some of Mosby's policies. But Marilyn Mosby, flawed as she is, has also been a very convenient scapegoat and whipping boy for all of the city's longstanding problems. It will be interesting to see who the new scapegoat and whipping boy will be. (so far looks like Brandon Scott is up next.) And how long Bate's saviorship/time-on-pedestal will last.
If Bates and BPD are just going to do some broken windows policing, that's not going to work. It's also dumb to prosecute people for marijuana possession, but if they're going to prosecute marijuana possession, it better not be just black bodies piling up at central booking. If you're going to prosecute, be consistent and prosecute evenly regardless of SES or race.
I'm glad Mosby didn't win, but none of the options were good. Bates' entire campaign was "I'm not her." In addition to thinking 8 years is enough and not liking families in public office, as a black woman, I'm really over the misogynoir (for example, someone was literally on this subreddit calling her a bitch and asking why she changed her hair so much, as if that has anything to do with her job performance, like wtaf), so I'd rather Mosby be done. Also, people that hate Nick Mosby can now focus on what he actually does or doesn't do instead of focusing on any real or perceived conflict of interest. I never liked Nick either, but too often people would point to something she did and blame him (and vice versa) when obviously they are not the same person.
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I think you’re right that the disdain for Mosby has caused people to attack her personal appearance and gender, and that’s wrong. I also believe you’re correct that the state’s attorney cannot alone solve all of our crime and quality of life issues.
However, I do think it’s time for some change. Mosby has had a long time in office, and while she doesn’t deserve all the credit, she certainly is entitled to her fair share for the rise in crime this city has experienced. And that rise in crime has led to the death of a lot of mostly young, black men, unfortunately. Her leadership has created a state’s attorney’s office that seems to be in chaos, with sinking morale and abysmal turnover rates.
We’re taking a chance here, and I hope that for this city, it’s the right one. But I think it’s clear the status quo isn’t working, so maybe this will result in some positive achievements in terms of reducing crime. And hopefully that will not entail low level arrests, but, as Bates claims to seek, from cooperation with state and federal LE to target gun traffickers and major criminal enterprises operating in the city. So I think we should give him a chance. Just my two cents!
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Are there actually people who attack Mosby for her appearance or gender?
She wasnt the first female SA in th3 cityand she won't be the last. Neighboring countries have female SA ( e.g. AA Co).
And appearance? Shes attractive.
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I’m not her type, and I don’t like her as a person, but I’d be down for some M Mosby
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This isn’t actually better than being overtly misogynistic fyi
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Are you asking if there are still misogynists and racists in America? Cause yeah, there are. However, let me make it clear that Mosby absolutely should not be in office and that almost all people who dislike her feel that way because of her policies and alleged criminal behavior
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Nobody is getting changed for simple marijuana possession , those days are long gone
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Let's be honest, many (most?) Of the ppl voting for Bates live in the L and aren't that personally affected. It could get ugly if things continue like this and Bates isn't making inroads. He was elected as the "two Baltimore's" candidate and will be savaged as such.
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pretty sure the folks in the L who voted for bates (especially in the SE) perceived (right or not) an increase of targeted small crimes (property, car, assault, etc) and then pointed at the perps processing (or lack thereof) by moseby in earlier instances.
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I hate this point so much. Everyone is affected in Baltimore. The bulk of the personal/family harms are absolutely experienced most by Baltimore’s poor, Black residents living in underserved, overpoliced neighborhoods but all people in Baltimore feel it at this point.
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Given how powerful the mayor's office is, I do begrudge Brandon Scott for not making any substantive moves since taking office. He looks good on Instagram and he's built up a pretty effective blame buffer by creating various deputy postions. As long as he avoids getting indicted for something or doesn't try for a higher office, we're stuck with him for a while. I just wish he would make some serious policy moves or hire some competent people.
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Mosby sucks. Get over it
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Said the white man based off this map/
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White people so racist they voted for a black guy instead of a black woman
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Bates is biracial.
Bates was pretty clearly the candidate preferred by whites who are most insulated from actual crime.
Its not that diff than Brandon Scott becoming mayor by dominating the white vote over Dixon. (In that case theres also the fact that whites are more accepting of his sexuality.)
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Loool hold on I gotta dissect this one:
Whites are like, half racist so they support biracial politicians but not totally black ones.
And also black people who are victims of violent crime support Mosby who famously presided over the most violent years in city history.
Oh and Brandon Scott is gay and the racist whites love gays
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Baltimore people are INSANE if they think Sheila Dixon and Mosby need another chance. People think Sheila just grifted off gift cards she did soooo much more that was totally unethical
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?Is this the new “I have black friends” ?
Cool, you want a cookie for voting for a biracial guy
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I voted for Thiru I don’t care what you want to call me
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The voter turnout was abysmal as usual. The people who gave a shit turned out to vote.
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The voter turnout was even more abysmal than usual. The people with something to prove voted.
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I bet the turnout in the Mosby-won districts barely broke 10%. If people felt strongly enough they would have supported her.
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No no no…she sucks
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Thıru did well on this map it seems?
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electoral politics can't release the chains of white oppression of blacks?
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I wish they'd done a heatmap. Some of these precincts are pretty close, I don't think a West Baltimore precinct that went 30% Bates 32% Mosby should be the same color as one that went 15%/50%, for example. This map paints a starker picture than reality.
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Your point is a good one. This is a representation of incomplete data anyway since they're still counting votes. In a three way race most of the precincts are going to be a plurality win, and possibly many of them are close. This doesn't show that.
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Baltimore is pretty segregated. This map doesn't just randomly look like the L and butterfly for random reasons.
That said, I'd love to see the "heat map" to see how many areas within the L went overwhelmingly for Bates. I mean, Canton and Butchers Hill would probably be 75% bates ane almost 0 for Mosby.
There would be a lot more areas with clear winners than not. Because the city is just that segregated.
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I wonder if Bates will prosecute cases. Would be cool to have a prosecutor who did their job.
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Well we know that not doing your job doesn't work.
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Why does the black butterfly consistently support candidates that we know are crooked? Seriously? What is the thought process?
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I understand the implications here with this visual. However, Baltimore is just under 30% white. I feel like based on the racial makeup of the electorate alone, a lot of black people would have had to have voted for Bates too. As far as city-wide races go, white voters here can help nudge some races in certain directions but we are a majority black city and usually the candidate who speaks most to the concerns and priorities of that demographic is the one that’s going to win.
And I understand that turnout seemed to be low, but I have to believe that Mosby supporters knew what was at stake here and if they still didn’t show up at the polls, then what happened?
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Only 23% of voters voted. This map looks the the redlining and blockbusting overlay. Imagine that.
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So why did only 23% vote?
I’m not saying you should have the answer but I think this is a question to ask in regards to where we’re at in Baltimore City in 2022.
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ITT: Mosby supporters are apparently going to be the new Trumpers and have a tough time getting over it.
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3x bad options. But yeah this map shouldn’t be a surprise
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the city's 62% black. how do you dominate the Butterfly and get third? do people there love Mosby but not enough to check a box?
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Just deducing this…but I imagine Bates did better in the butterfly than Mosby did in the L.
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No, the L always has higher turn out it than the butterfly. Mosby may have done 75% in Park Heights,but Park Heights is a pretty low turnout area.
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With only 23% of eligible voters participating in this uninspiring primary with lame candidates
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then i'm gonna chalk that up to Bates ignoring neighborhoods where fewer people are registered to vote
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The same Bates who was endorsed by Sheila Dixon and Mary Miller?
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what's your point? to be clear i voted for Bates but figure if the goal is to beat Thiru in a primary they aren't gonna send finite volunteers to places where people aren't already registered (that's something they can focus on in the G.E.)
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If youre saying Bates focused on White areas... Bingo.
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It's quite possible people in the L don't actually know the minds of people in the butterfly? Which shouldn't be surprising. If the closest you come to a voting age black person on a daily basis is Tyrone in the mail room at your job who you dap now and then or some random woman that makes your burrito bowls, you probably have no idea.
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my point is if people in the L are oh so out of touch with people in the Butterfly, which is plausible to me, why couldn't the latter outvote the former?
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My point is in two related parts:
- Black people aren't a monolith. They are not a hive mind. Some are progressive or liberal, some are moderate, some are conservative. Some are liberal for somethings but conservative for other things. That map is showing, in a very rough manner, top vote getters in different areas of the city. Given that the city is still 60%+ black it would follow that even with low turnout...
- Clearly black people in the butterfly didn't only vote for Marilyn Mosby. Maybe she was the top vote-getter in individual areas of the butterfly, but she didn't get enough votes in those individual areas to come in second, much less win. Maybe they didn't outvote the former because they didn't want to? They don't like Mosby as much as you think they do? Maybe Ivan Bates actually left Locust Point, went into the butterfly (I know, scary!), and tried to talk to people to get votes. Hell, maybe Thiru Vignarajah left Federal Hill, too, to do the same thing. Just because some of y'all get hives at the prospect of leaving the L or talking to and listening to someone who doesn't live in your neighborhood doesn't mean everyone does.
Hope folks chew on that for a while. And be thankful Ivan Bates has some sense.
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i just think OP is wrong to boil the primary down to The Whites Strike Back. so i think we're on the same page, why are you insulting me?
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THIS.
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Low turnout in butterfly and among ppl of color generally (Thiru wom areas with lits of hispanics, but they were low turnout areas historically). Very high turnout in the White L, even higher of you only look at white ppl with resources.
The voter makeup was probably 50% white overall, which isnt representative of city as a whole.
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You have a severe case of brain worms if you voted for Mosby.
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Damn that’s depressing, I didn’t know the race was divided like this, this may as well be a racial demographics map.
Weird that Thiru got both Morrel Park and Mayfield, very different kinds of white folks there.
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It looks like the redlining map overlayed.
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This is like a perfect overlay of where I’ll go out in the city vs. where I won’t.
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Thanks to racism, redlining and blockbusting.
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You are just harvesting downvotes today aren't you?
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It’s okay, I have enough to spare. Downvotes in this sub don’t mean anything , except you’re too real and people can’t take it.
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Facts and preach. Support to you. Speak truth to power. Baltimore reddit so damn racist it hurts.
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Wow, Bates rocked out in the White L! Mosby won the butterfly. And Thiru actually won the most diverse areas (highest latino and mixed populations, e.g. Graceland Park, ODonnell Heights along Broening Hwy)
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but not highlandtown. latinos in highlandtown despise moseby due to criminals targetting the businesses there having a record through her watch
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Interesting, if you actually look at the results of the Butterfly, Mosby mostly never broke 50%. If it was a two man race, Bates likely wins a lot of the Butterfly and the map looks completely different. This is different from the L where Bates was performing over 50% for the most part.
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The people that pay the most taxes for a poorly run city government trying to change some shitty leadership, nothing to be shocked about ….
Lots bold statements.
Facts
Fact, been here 12 yrs... taxes go way up but city services have become more ironic in nature
renewbaltimore.org. Sign the petition to reduce property taxes. If the City wants to increase population, (it says that it is priority one), then getting the tax rate somewhere under twice the rate of the neighboring counties makes sense. Check out the plan, and the supporting data on the site.
Not FAQS. Just your words.
I like frequently asked questions, ı'll have to read banner article ... but what do you think of the map facts?