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reddak69

Stuck at 200kg for 6 months.

Once I started deadlift I progressed pretty quickly to 200kg (I think in about 4 months).

Now I'm stuck there and I can not pull a kilo more even if I'm deadlifting at least 2 times per week.

To be completely honest I was able to pull more with a trap bar once (around 220-230kg. Not sure how heavy the hex bar was. I read that they’re between 20kg and 30kg). But with normal bar... Not a gram more.

Any ideas about how to progress?

Posted Oct 10, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC · edited

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98% it's programming. Think about what you're doing now and switch it up. Did you do the exact same thing during your initial growth? If yes, switch it up. If no, then maybe go back?

You deadlift 2 times a week. How heavy, what kind of sets? You could try doing 3 times a week with less intensity, but get more volume. How often do you squat? Most people experience almost linear carryover from their squat to their deadlift.

Can you identify a weakness in your deadlift? Maybe post your form and get some fedback. Are you slow off the floor, or are you bogging down somewhere in the middle?

How are you eating? When past novice gains it's nearly impossible to have consistent gains without eating enough to promote weightgain. You can recomp your body your whole life and become a wellrounded athlete sure, but 200kg deadlift is already a wellrounded athlete level feat of strength.

You need to think about what you want. Progress doesn't just keep coming for free. If that was the case the world record deadlift would just keep going up indefinetly. Instead we are grinding to a halt to some arbitrary weight, because it's the human limit. The limit is not healthy, and a 200kg deadlift is healthy. If you want more, the body isn't going to give it willingly, because it's not necessary.

That being said, information is what is missing. You have it, so post it if you want feedback. As for programming you can try a premade one, or just make it yourself.

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reddak69OP•

Thank you for the analytical reply.

So, some info:

  1. I'm 41. I wouldn't call myself an "athlete" although I've been through many sports through the years. I found deadlifts to be my favorite thing once I tried it because it matches my lazy personality.. I prefer to put a lot of effort on one try instead of jumping around (like in crossfit f.i.)
  2. I don't really have a program. Until now I used to deadlift on the beginning of the week (Monday) with as many reps possible, with weight a little before my PR (180kg) and then again at the end (let's say Saturday) where I would try to max out. The last 6 months my PR does not go up and it seems it never will...
  3. I've never squat in my life... I prefer exercises which don't require help from others (according to powerlifting videos squat needs that). I don't have gym buddies and deadlift seems perfect for that. If I can't lift.. I just drop the bar.
  4. What I want... Well, I would like to keep doing this for long time and it would be nice if I could give me a tap in the back every once in a while by improving my PR. I would like to be able to pull 250kg in a year from now let's say...
  5. Eating conditions vary from time to time. I'm not always eating healthy but I know the basics about carbs, protein etc. Before I deadlift I eat an oat bar and after the workout I try to eat protein foods.

Thank you!

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hell yeah! It's good you know what you want. If not an athlete, maybe just athletic?

I see your situation and i will attempt to give some pointers i think will help.

Adressing by your paragraphs:

  1. There is a LOT of gradient between doing only deadlifts and crossfit. I think if you would add just even 1 or 2 more movements you will be a much more wellrounded lifter.
  2. Dont have to use a program. The point is consitency and accountability. If you're doing "as many as possible", then that will vary by the day. Instead hold yourself to doing a set amount of weight for eg. 5x5. If you can only muster 5,5,4,3,3 that's PERFECT. Then come in next time and do 5,5,5,4,3 and so on. When you've done 5x5 a couple times then add 10 kg. It's a slow process, but adding that backbone of accountability will give you actual results. Concept is called progressive overload. Maxing out every every session wont give your muscle room to recover. You have to back off from the "as many as possible" mentality.
  3. You definetly don't need a parnter to squat. There are plenty of ways to squat safely. In a gym you can use the safety pins in the rack, and when you have the movement down, just don't do over 80% if you don't have pins. I think you would enjoy adding the squat to the puzzle. Deadlift and squat are remarkably similar. What you will notice is that it's more of a mobility exersice at first. I recommend warming up with light deadlifts before even attempting squatting down, that's what I do. There are plenty of vids on YT on basic squatting mechanics. You WILL have to experiment a LOT. And if you do this right and take your time you WILL have carryover. Just take your time and don't go heavy at all while learning.
  4. Love that take! Honestly that's what most should do. Just temper your expectations. Putting on 50kg to their deadlift in 1 year is what 18 year olds on steroids do ( assuming past the novice gains). To this end, learn and realize that less is more, and allows you to do more, more often. Don't go to failure all the time and tone it down a bit. Then you have room for 1, or even 2 more sessions week. All the session are easier than what you do now, but the total volume will be a lot more. Lsten to your body.
  5. Again, temper your expectations. You're not gonna be gaining anywhere near as much muscle, if you're not actively eating to gain weight. You have to eat like you want to plain gain weight. It's just that if you train intensly at the same time, that weight will go in part to your muscle. If you wanna skyrocket your strength, you're gonna have to get a bit fat. Bodybuilders to this a lot in bulking and cutting phases. It works.

Good luck!

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reddak69OP•

Thanx a lot 🙂

Just to clarify: I’m not only doing deadlifts. I also bench press and leg press between deadlift days. I was hoping that leg press (~300kg) will help my deadlift and I was surprised when it didn’t, considering that I see my legs growing bigger. Also about the fat thing: Unfortunately I’m already fat 😁. I’m ~130kg with ~90kg muscle mass.

Thanx again 😁

P.S: I will definitely start squatting now..

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No problem!

Squatting is really cool cause like i said it's remarkably similar to deadlifting in terms of movement pattern. Form can vary so much on them both that you can essentially "squat" a deadlift, and "deadlift" a squat.

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I noticed you mentioned you want 250kg in a year. Even if you are taking anabolic compounds this is a very tall order. Try aim for 15-20kg and think of progress in the long term. If you gained 15kg on your deadlift every year you’d be pulling 700lbs by the time your 50. It’s so easy to fall into the trap of seeing other people deadlift huge amounts and not realise that it took years for them to get there. If you look at powerlifters who train specifically for strength, they tend to split their years up into 8-12 week blocks of training. Studies show a correlation between the cross sectional area of a muscle and the potential force output. Because of this, a powerlifters 12 week training block will start with the first half focussing on higher rep ranges and having a lot more volume at lower weights to increase their muscle size. They will then taper into the second half of their program where the volume starts to decrease and the weight increases to teach their body how to recruit these new muscle fibres to lift more weight. At the end of these 12 weeks they will tend to test their maximum lift, have maybe a week off of training to “deload” and then they start again with another 12 week training block. What I’d recommend you do, is maybe aim for 220kg a year from now. If you split your year into 4 lots of 12 week training blocks then you just need to focus on adding 5kg at the end of each block. So for your first couple of weeks you should train with a lighter weight with multiple sets of 10+ reps and gradually taper this down so that on week 12 you attempt 205kg. You call also have a look online for deadlift programmes which come in the form of spreadsheets that do all the work for you. You simply enter your current deadlift and it will plan your whole 12 weeks out for you. Hope this is useful!

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reddak69OP•

Thanx for the thorough reply.

Wow, A whole science dedicated to weight lifting 😁

To be honest the power lifting videos with people (almost) half my body weight pulling 300kg made me feel weak. So I was wondering what’s wrong with me..

Also adding 5kg to PR didn’t seem as a decent amount of weight to try out. I will take it slowly, I’m not in a hurry anyway..

One more question though: Is it for everybody easier to deadlift with hex bar or just for me? I feel much stronger with it feeling I’m “inside the bar” putting all my strength down without thinking about my back. And indeed the first (and only) time I tried it, I lifted 20kg more than my PR.

Thanx again.

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Most people lift significantly more with that bar, it’s a much more efficient position to lift from. A standard barbell is actually quite awkward since the weight stays in front of you where as a hex bar allow you to deadlift straight up your centre of mass. This means it’s less of a hip hinge and more just pressing straight up.

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thomasjuniordavis•

Hi, I just saw your post. I was wondering how much you incorporate technique work when it comes to deadlifting? 1) Just angling the toes out will engage more glutes and give you more power off the floor 2) Stay tight and brace throughout the entire movement 3) Make sure you keep the weight close to you at all time. Moreover, don't be afraid to incorporate deficit deadlifts, these will help you blast off from the floor and find breakdowns in your current deadlifting technique.

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reddak69OP•

Cool, thanx!

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six_two_dude•

Block pulls, rack pulls, deficits or paused deadlifts, all depends on your sticking points or where you struggle at the most. Breaking it off the floor or lockout.

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reddak69OP•

I would say breaking it off the floor.

Double overhand grip . I used to use mixed grip and now I use straps.

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