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Two very interesting papers from the 1956 book Neurotic interaction in marriage. This book was excerpted while reading Arlow's Object concept and Object Choice. Join us!

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Book

Eisenstein, V. W. (Ed.). (1956). Neurotic interaction in marriage. Basic Books.

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Papers

• Jacobson, E. (1956), Interaction between psychotic partners: I. Manic-depressive partners. In: Neurotic Interaction in Marriage, ed. V. W. Eisenstein. New York: Basic Books, pp. 125–134.
• Bychowski, G (1956), Schizophrenic partners. In: Neurotic Interaction in Marriage. Ed. by V. W. Eisenstein. New York: Basic Books, pp. 135-147.

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Object relationships reading group is resuming after a break for the second half of 2022, we are re-reading a paper by Jacob Arlow to see his take on object choice before finishing the rest of Essential papers on Object Relations.

Abstract

*Arlow’s paper provides an avenue to understanding the determinants of object choice. He takes issue with the view of any object relations theorists who feel that the earliest interaction between the child and the mother determines the quality of subsequent love relationships. While acknowledging that the earliest object relationship with the mother has an influence on patterns of loving, he does not

If you're trying to jump ship from psychoanalysis to psychological tests (Rorschach projective tests, personality inventory, etc) are there any good places here? Also, for the purpose of psychoanalytic readers that like to challenge their assumptions with solid data.

The reason why is when reading into Rorschach, TAT, etc. it seems to employ psychoanalytic concepts, but with all the fuzzy stuff taken out.

Anyone here prefer trait theories to psychoanalysis, or like to criticize psychoanalytic theory?

I've heard of forensic psychologists mentioning risk assessment before, through osmosis. What about personality inventories like MMPI? Any other types of psychological tests?

What does it mean if a test is "clinically validated"? "objective"? Is it empirical then?

If someone takes a projective test, like HTP or Rorschach, is that objective / clinically validated also if it's coded correctly?

What does it take to "bullet proof" a personality questionnaire and get the strongest results? Is there a one-size-fits-all test? (The MMPI one?)

What would such a thing include?

My impression is that psychoanalytic theory will explain the inner world in a way other areas of psychology won't. Correct me in that?

What aspects of personality would psychoanalysis not tend to work for? What would be used instead, e.g. what about something like MMPI, tests involving Revised NEO Personality Inventory, etc?

Zooming out: Nancy McWilliams wrote Psychoanalytic Case Formulation, here's some points jotted down just from the table of contents:

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• Assessing what cannot be changed
  • Temperament
  • Genetic, congenital, and medical conditions with direct psychol

TLDR:

• Do forensic psychologists ever take the stage with their data to influence policy? Is that rare
• What spheres of influence do forensic psychologists take part in in the criminal justice process?
• What is risk assessment? e.g. is it a data-driven, empirical arm of criminal justice? e.g. gathering a large corpus of cases, diving into common denominators and pulling the factors that matter.
• What's a good case in favor of punishing misdemeanors and petty offenses w/ arrest, prosecution, etc? In the big picture, it can reduce crime and make the public safer. Has anyone in forensic psychology ever successfully argued against a statute?

I am a 101 at this, so feel free to fire

Is it significant, or just noise you can brush aside?

Does everybody capable erotic transference, or is it only certain character types?

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Any case examples for how an analyst would respond to it without making the client lose face? Because couldn't a benign free association be guilt inducing for the person in retrospect? Has anyone wrote about this before?

e.g. change the topic to something cognitive intense and or involving recollection that's tangential - and if empty-handed, non-sequitur (e.g. so before I forget, what did you think about the Ice skating stuff on TV last evening?")

In this paper, Fairbairn applies his psychic structural theory to cases of hysteria. He begins by discussing dissociation, citing Charcot and Janet, then Freud's later interpretation. Fairbairn provides a list of steps in which the his psychic structure is formed - based on an original, pristine ego - nuancing his position against Melanie Klein. Throughout the middle of the paper he discusses his own cases, summating the discusses with his position that conversion symptoms are not of zonal origins but object relational.

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Abstract

Object-relations are the primary data of psychology and primary concepts are formulated in these terms. Objects, in their exciting, punishing

99 years ago, Freud's The Ego and the Id (pdf) was published under the title Das Ich und das (pdf) to the defunct Internationale Psychoanalytische Verlag. In this paper Freud denoted the structural theory: Ego, id, and super-ego.

The reservoir of libido

Now that we have distinguished between the ego and the id, we must recognize the id as the great reservoir of libido indicated in my paper on narcissism (1914c, [pdf](h

There is a psychoanalyst, ubiquitously known as Kernberg. Otto Kernberg.

On psychotherapy.net, he has a video: Live case consultation (YouTube Preview)

I'd like to highlight some themes / takeaways of from case consultations above (only half way through):

What's happening now

Rather than going into the patient's past immediately. What is the immediate issue in their life, what do you want to change?

Sex / love life + Career + Creativity

These are 3 areas that he asks to delve into when looking into a person.

**No past trauma is an excuse for

Ronald Fairbairn is categorized in the British middle group of "independents" psychoanalysts. What does this reclusive Scotsman's theory bring to the table in terms of therapeutic technique?

Fairbairn is known for the phrase "libido is the signpost to the object" / "libido, is fundamentally object seeking". What does this mean in terms of the therapeutic dyad? Chapter 4 of David Celani's 2010 book Fairbairn’s Object Relations Theory in the Clinical Setting will cover that!

Other psychoanalysts in Britain at the time, such as Anna Freud and Melanie Klein, were influential around this time - if you've ever read anyth

We'll study the case examples of clinical interviews from David Celani's Fairbairn's object relations theory in the clinical setting. In these two Fairbairn's endopsychic structure. In this chapter we will to see the application of Fairbairn's structural theory to patients.

Above (Padel, 1991)

Where's the book?

Our reading group is 100% free, please support the author of this book!

Worldcat, [Kindle](https://www.amazon.com/Fairbairns-Object-Rela

The object relations group will enjoy a smooth summary of a challenging theory. We'll study the second chapter of on David Celani's Fairbairn's object relations theory in the clinical setting, which reviews Fairbairn's 1944 and 1958 papers very clearly.

Above (Padel, 1991)

Where's the book?

Our reading group is 100% free, please support the author of this book!

Worldcat, [Kindle](https://www.amazon.com/Fairbairns-Object-Relations-Clinical-Setti

I have no clue. Here are some places I've seen it brought up - but its almost ways in passing.

What exactly is this referring to? Is it manipulative behavior?

Definition of projective identification on APA dictionary:

in the object relations theory of Melanie Klein, a defense mechanism in which a person fantasizes that part of his or her ego is split off and projected into the object in order to harm or to protect the disavowed part, thus allowing the individual to maintain a belief in his or her omnipotent control. ([source](https://dictionary.apa.org/pro