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I realize that, because we're still in the Beta stage, it's too soon to spend much time on recalculating the "Rules of Thumb"; still, I've been thinking about how the "Super ***" outsiders affect leveling.

We have the recommended maximum levels in this post, but they have been significantly affected by the "Super"s. With a Super Dora level of 4, for example, leveling Dora to 150 has raised her calculated effect to 12829.49% for me -- but her maximum effect is 9900%, so I've already wasted souls. I'm almost certainly wasting souls by leveling Kuma right now as well, as with Super Kuma at 4, I'm ascending whi

Just a heads up: I've has CH freeze on me several times already today, requiring that I reload the CH window. FWIW, it's always been while I had an autoclicker going on my most active hero. Also, in case it matters:

• I'm running a Chrome browser on Fedora Linux 26, and

• the reason I'm not running Firefox is that, for some reason, Flash won't run at all (for a couple of days now), which may mean there's been a recent change to Flash.

I'm not looking for a fix -- just letting y'all know.

UPDATE: It just happened twice more, with no auto clickers at all, so that isn't what's causing it.

UPDATE #2: I quit playing CH for a while and the freezes stopped. If the bug isn't in CH code,

Somehow I've gotten myself into a situation where, if I hit the 'T' key three times, or if I press the 'Ctrl' key, the level is stuck on 'X100'. It's not that serious a problem, as I can fix it by going to a different web page. I don't have to actually shut down the game; it's sufficient to just tab away and come back. Still, it's annoying.

UPDATE: I don't know who changed what, but it works right again. Whoever you are, if you're reading this, thanks.

... like, several an hour. I seem to remember this was a problem some time ago (like, a year or more), and then pretty much disappeared. But -- for me, at least -- it's back.

Some details:

• I'm running Google Chrome in Linux (Fedora 25).

• I just recently upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25.

• None of my other Flash games freeze up.

• EDIT: New data: Mostly it's intermittent, but it freezes every time that I open my statistics tab. Very annoying

The thing about these freezes coinciding with my Fedora update would make me think that it's just a problem with Fedora/Chrome/Flash, but the fact that no other Flash games do it makes me wonder.

FWIW, Flash is linked into Chrome at build time

I don't know if this is a bug, expected behavior, or what, but...

I noticed sometime back that, if I have a number of skills (including Clickstorm) going when I start an immortal fight, when the immortal battle is over, the color frame indicating a skill is active is off for Clickstorm, but still on for the others. So, I asked myself, "Is this what actually happens, or is it just a visual bug?" For those who care, I just ran a test. The immortal battle does, indeed, end the clickstorm, but not the other skills.

Please, don't bother asking, "Why did you do that anyway? It's a bad idea because ..." Y'know what? I really don't care. I often do things just to see what happens, and this

From the update notes for revision 1.0:

Non-Transcendent Ancients: Iris, Khrysos, Pluto and Thusia do not exist for players who have transcended.

Does anyone know if they're still available before one's first transcendence? It's just an academic point, really; anyone who puts off transcending long enough to actually use them is, frankly, doing it wrong. I'm just curious.

I've checked in both the wiki and the Help Megathread, and I don't find any list of the various ways to speed up a FANT. So, I'm suggesting that we generate a list of the various techniques available with the pros and cons of each. Mods, if I'm out of place, so be it; tell me so and I'll shut up. But I think this would be a useful discussion to have.

To start off the list, here are some things I've thought about and/or used:

1. Use a QA immediately after ascending and hope for good ancients (Siya/Lib/Sol). Pro: If you're lucky, this gives you a decent idle, and you'll be doing it sooner or later anyway, so why not now? Con: A little bad luck and you've wasted the HS from the QA.

I've noticed that, if I pause to use a clickable too soon after going (back?) into active mode, the reward is next to nothing; on the other hand, the countdown timer for the next clickable doesn't start until I use the one I have, so not using it means waiting longer for the next one. (Yes, I know it's probability, not a timer, but the probability is 0.00% so long as there's already one there). Has anyone found a "sweet spot" for how long to leave a clickable unused? Does such a sweet spot even exist?

Is it just me, or is there still a problem with overkill not advancing to the next immortal level? I am finding that I have to be careful not to overkill, which means having to stop early and then fight the immortal again an hour later, just to make sure that I advance. If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me what; otherwise, it would be nice to have this problem addressed.

Maybe it's just the luck of the draw, but it feels like I'm getting more ruby quests than I used to. I was intentionally selecting ruby quests rather than HS for a couple of days, because I wanted to quickly accumulate enough to buy an autoclicker. But I have one now, and so I've gone back to selecting HS quests first -- and I STILL have a bunch of ruby quests going. Has someone been playing with the probabilities?

I have a spreadsheet I've been using for leveling my ancients and, for the sake of completeness, I have formulas for all of them. But I've noticed recently that none of the published tools in the "Calculators & Tools " box do that; in fact, most of them ignore some ancients completely. Even the azurewebsites calculator, which seems to be the most complete, doesn't have recommendations for many of them (specifically, Berserker, Chawedo, Energon, Hecatoncheir, Kleptos, Revolc, Sniperino, and Vaagur) -- at least, not at my current level.

Why is that? Is it because they aren't worth leveling, or because they depend too much on one's plays

I notice that it's gone missing from the list, and probably has been for a while. Is that because it's considered a cheat (if so, I disagree) or because it's out of date? I will say that if it hasn't been updated, I wouldn't trust it to return a valid save file.

EDIT: Never mind, I didn't look close enough. I didn't realize HOW MUCH it's out of date: It doesn't even include the heroes after Astrea (Chiron, Moloch, Bomber Max, Gog, and Wepwawet).

Note to others as unobservant as me: If you still have it in your "Favorites" list, it's way past time to delete it.

Before transcendence, my HZE was 3600; I just blew through zone 4725 as if it were just any other zone -- which it is now, of course.

If I remember correctly, 4725 was the highest we could reach in normal game play until the "Big Numbers" update came out. Now, it's no big deal. It just goes to show how much this game has changed in the last few months.

As I see it now, once I've gotten Midas up to 12550 and regilded back to Wepwawet, all that's left is a climb to forever and pick up achievements along the way -- which, frankly, I would find about as interesting as watching my sister add charms to her charm bracelet. Is that it, or am I missing something?

Is there any way, other than doing the math, to know if we've hitting the cap? It would be nice to see whether it's time to feed Borb without going though some calculations every time we hit a new primal boss.