Could use some help cracking Chess password

Chess Question

UPDATE: our tech savvy friend got in without the password! I do appreciate all the chess help. According to Walter’s friend, he’d be laughing himself silly at our attempts to solve his chess riddle. We spent several hours arguing the finer points of the King’s Gambit, lol.

For those of y’all worrying how this was handled. Those were good concerns. My colleague is passing the files over to the executor of his estate. Written permission was obtained for this whole adventure. Hopefully they get to his family (or colleagues for posthumous publication). But if his will says to burn it all, metaphorically speaking, I’d hope an executor would honor that. Though I’m thankful Virgil’s didn’t!

In case you’ve not been following along, the original post is below. Cheers! ——————————————————

Our colleague in the Classics department recently died and his family is trying to guess the password to his laptop. He was a chess grandmaster (I am not, but I love the game anyways) and the password hint is KGA.

Which I'm guessing is King's Gambit Accepted?

Any ideas y'all can come up with would be helpful! This was his work laptop, not his personal computer and we suspect several of his unpublished essays are on there. We apparently get an unlimited number of guesses. We found a note that said "The Cunningham" which may or may not be relevant. He changed the admin password and encrypted the computer so our IT department is of no help.

Edit: as one poster pointed out, I am not sure if he is actually a chess grandmaster. We do know he loved the game a lot.

Posted Feb 15, 2023, 2:27 AM UTC · edited

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ChrisV2P2•

The Cunningham Defence is a variation in the King's Gambit Accepted, it runs 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Be7.

I would try all of the following:

exf4

e4e5f4exf4

e4e5f4exf4Nf3Be7

exf4Nf3Be7

It wouldn't surprise me if he used some string of chess moves like that as a password, since it means the password uses lowercase/uppercase/numbers, but he can easily remember it.

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Duckfest_SfS•

I never thought of that, but it's actually a pretty clever way of creating complex passwords that you are still able to remember.

edit:

I am aware of the limitations of using this 'system'. Using this across all platforms to manage 100+ passwords would be a very challenging if not not unworkable. And as pointed out, not very safe once the system is exposed. I just found it an interesting idea.

There is an xkcd about the relation between complexity of the password and ease to remember. The downside of a password consisting of 4 random words is that they can be easily identified by a person standing next to you watching you type. That's where this 'system' works. You could use this for one crucial password. While you type in your favorite line of the Caro-Kann 32 character password, the colleague watching over your shoulder will have a hard time registering what you just typed in.

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ChrisV2P2•

Meh. It's "security through obscurity", the passwords are only complex if an attacker doesn't know your method for generating them. It's fine as a one off, but if you use this technique for multiple passwords and one of them is compromised, brute forcing any others generated this way is trivial.

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SassyMoron•

Well it USED TO be . . .

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Ill__Cheetah•

Developer of Unix Ken Thompsons password (which went unsolved for 20+ years) p/q2-q4!a is d4 in descriptive, so don’t forget to try non-algebraic chess notation

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giziti1700 USCF•

If you have somebody watching you type, you have big problems with any password.

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UnnaturallyFunky•

Absolute nonsense. You are aware there are quite a few words in the dictionary?

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RoughSalad•

Then use 6 words or a larger "dictionary" to choose them from (look up how diceware works to begin with ...)

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boldFrontierOP•

I appreciate the insight! If we can't figure it out, at least we can pass it along to the data recovery company if we get stuck hiring them.

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ChrisV2P2•

Definitely tell them you suspect it might be chess moves, if they can just use the characters { NBKQRabcdefgh12345678+x } in brute force attempts that will cut the search space down a ton, if they generate a set of all possible chess move tokens and try out a bunch of combinations that would be even better.

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rreyv Team Nepo :nepo: •

Should also add in #, ?, ! just in case dear professor liked to annotate his lines.

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DramaLlamaNite•

It may also be worth trying these passwords in descriptive notation

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Chezuss •

Or that, but with move numbers. So like 1.e4e52.f4exf4 or 1e4e52f4exf4

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a0supertramp•

Sus

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boldFrontierOP•

Haha agreed, we’ve also reached out to a data recovery company but the quote was pretty steep with no guarantee of success so I’m doing my best!

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TossAwayxxx_69•

e4e5f4exf4

could be he threw in an exclam for f4 so e4e5f4!exf4

gl bruh hopefully he picks a better password next time

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Love_Without_Hate•

He dead

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TossAwayxxx_69•

who’s steve jobs ?

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werics•

LIGMA BALLS

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ASilverRook2000 Lichess and Chess.com•

I’ve might have figured it out (not certain,) but I’m not going to just post what could be a password to hack into somebody’s account without seeing some kinds of receipts to verify your story.

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ChrisV2P2•

He's a long-time Reddit user and he has made reference to being an academic historian before, so that all checks out. I am going to assume he isn't posting "hey can someone help me hack into an account with KGA as password hint" on an account he is professionally associated with if his intentions are nefarious. If this was some throwaway account I would not have replied.

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boldFrontierOP•

https://nflandowners.org/walter-roberts-dies-unexpectedly-remembrance-scheduled-for-may-15-2022/

I understand if you don’t feel you can help, I posted to this subreddit out of coffee fueled desperation lol. The internet’s a suspicious place. It’s a dangerous business going out your door, Frodo!

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It probably didn’t help suspicions you referred to him as a grandmaster. It’s not a black belt in kenpo, there are like less than 2 thousand grandmasters in the world, they are known quantities.

This looks like him here: https://www.chess.com/member/nocapa

No disrespect to your man, as long as he enjoyed the game that’s all that matters

Sorry for your loss

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boldFrontierOP•

I actually didn’t even know him personally, so no condolences necessary! I think most scholars fear not getting to complete their work in the time we’re given (I know I do) so when his family and friends begged for help I figured I’d give it a shot. While he wasn’t a super famous classicist, I’ve been told he was one of those really rare intellects.

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The person you responded to was being careful and polite in their reply, so they didn't say it explicitly: there is no chance whatsoever this person was a grandmaster or even a regular master, he's far too weak for this. Just an enthusiast of the game that was likely strong enough to easily crush anyone that doesn't play chess seriously.

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Lmao kenpo catching strays

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iFoobar•

Is the laptop encrypted, with bitlocker or something else? If not, there are much easier ways to get to the data instead of password guessing.

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boldFrontierOP•

That’s what my friend was telling me. He says he can figure it out, he’s been in IT for 30 years.

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StrikingHearing8•

I mean, is it the normal Windows login? You can bypass that pretty easily. Above you said he encrypted the laptop though, that's a very different thing! In that case your friend won't be able to help, you need the password.

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alienfish360•

I’m surprised the employer doesn’t have permissions to access the machine and data.

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yup987•

Don't you believe anyone who tells you chess isn't practically useful to learn LOL

"Sir! The nuclear launch sequence has initiated, and the only way to shut it down is clear 200 lines in Tetris!"

"... get the Tetris champion here right now."

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boldFrontierOP•

My dad always told me I should spend more time playing chess. I’ll have to tell him he was finally right lol

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yup987•

Shame about getting the tech to open it, I feel like you missed out on your sword in the stone moment :P

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Duckfest_SfS•

rnbqk1nr/ppppbppp/8/8/4Pp2/5N2/PPPP2PP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 2 4

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xzt12319xx USCF•

🤣 It's a real pain in the ass to type.

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greyfox4850•

If it's a work laptop provided by the IT department where he worked, they should be able to get it unlocked. Or at least help with getting the data off of it.

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HairyNutsack69•

Interesting to note that his chesscom account has only played the cunningham once. Perhaps the note is unrelated to the password.

"e4e5f4exf4nf3" or another way of formatting the same moves like "e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3" would be my best guess.

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irjakr•

I don't have any particular insight, but here are a few thoughts:

An article about the Cunningham:

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Cunningham-Defense

You might want to try famous players who played it: Paul Morphy, Mikhail Chigorin, etc.

Another idea is look for a particularly famous game in this line from a list like this:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=c35

Maybe he had a specific game that was his favorite in all of chess. For example this game has the title:

Paul Morphy vs Henry Bird "To Kill a Mocking Bird"

Does he have a collection of chess books? Maybe going through a book on the kings gambit will have highlights or notes that might give a hint what he like the most.

Good luck!

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CheckmateIn8•

This is good.

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oreomagic•

If you have unlimited attempts you should be able to a dictionary attack on it first

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Noriadin•

What the fuck is this post and why are people just giving OP ideas without any of their claims being verifiable? How do we know this isn't a stolen laptop. Mods should take this down.

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HansEffect Lichess 2200 blitz•

Yeah r/chess moderators are not the brightest bunch. Fortunately guessing his password like this isn't going to work lol

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boldFrontierOP•

My colleague got in another way without the password this morning, so all’s well that ends well, but honestly this would sound like a scam to me too. Stranger than fiction, this ‘history we make every day’, as the channel tells us!

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Have you tried kingsgamb1tacc3pt3d42069 ?

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HairyNutsack69•

Did you ever crack it?

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boldFrontierOP•

We got into it, but not with the password.

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Particular-Ad-7201•

What operating system is it?

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Still-Leather-8535•

If it's just a laptop with windows on it, and it's not encrypted then it's pretty trivial to get around the login screen without having the password, assuming you have physical access to the device.

Is the laptop encrypted?

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nnedd7526•

Respect his privacy even in death

Leave his laptop alone

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