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Pizzadude

"Carrying" does not just mean "getting a bunch of kills."

I hate to be the guy raging on reddit, but I really hope that a few people get something from this.

I have had a lot of games lately in which someone (top every single time for some reason), thinks he is amazing, while actually losing the game nearly singlehandedly.

Yes, getting a lot of kills is good. No, chasing someone across the map and dying 1v4 after killing him is not good. Yes, I can see that you know how to play your champ. But you really, really don't know how to play the game. When all four of your teammates are actually begging you to join the team, there is a good reason. They aren't all "nub fucking garbage" as you pointed out. They just understand that this is a team game, and they need you.

No matter who you are, or how good you think you are, if the rest of your team is asking you to do something, at least consider it. At least stop and logically think about what you are doing, and why they want something different from you.

Posted Apr 15, 2013, 8:01 PM UTC

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PizzadudeOP•

To make the point more clear, I just looked the most recent one up.

Though he obviously knew how to play his champ, win a lane, and get a lot of kills, his match history is all ranked losses. Ten of them, in a row.

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iLyriX[iLyriiiX] (EU-W)•

I played with a sion who did exactly that. Mains sion. 10 out of 10 losses. Stays top all game and flames us for not being able to defend the inhib 4 v 5. He didnt kill the tower until 32 minutes in, because "dude im stomping my lane, not stfu and stop feeding" well i was 1/3/12 as support taric, but we kept lossong 4 v 5 because the simply dived us under the inhibitor turret

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Snackmix•

Typically the people I see do that play Darius :P

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Shadowmaw•

I've seen this and variations of it so many times I haven't played a non-AI game in 5 days.

It's the Dunning-Kruger effect and it's displayed by a sizable percent of the player base. It needs to be addressed and it needs to be stopped.

I personally am not up on a high horse, I know I'm not the best player but I also know I'm not at the bottom of the barrel. The difference is I am always willing to learn and take advice from my betters. I hope this kind of attitude can spread through the NA community, but it wont if no one says anything about it.

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Gnarberry•

Hate the guy that just sits in his lane for an entire game while getting kills and then saying "Afk Farm Cause noob team" when he is 5-0 and doesn't want to help because he has a large rod up his ass. They need to learn to snowball their shit and gank for some lanes so the team can make them lose before 20 and seal a win.

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MoarOranges[IPlayTanksALot] (NA)•

A needlessly large rod

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DiplomacySC•

What if he's Teemo, do you really want him joining you?

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Tysonzero•

But... afk farming is the only way I can play nasus... :(

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crazyninja3000•

Words of a true support.

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GoodLuckCowboy•

support brofist

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Decathlon44•

Had a Singed in a game recently who kept saying he was getting tired from trying to carry us when he was 4/0/0 and our Kassadin was 14/4. Said Kass was useless because he has 4 deaths. I was utterly confused.

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PizzadudeOP•

It always blows my mind when we are winning, and someone starts freaking out, spamming "GG" and trying to force us to surrender. Like he died once, and has no idea that there is an entire game going on around him.

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TheImmenseFence•

A good way to get yourself to teamplay more easily is think 'what could I do to help my team right now?'. Really helps me think about what I could do for them.

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CakeMagic[CakeMagic] (EU-W)•

Carrying is exerting your influence in the match and taking every single advantage that takes your team closer to destroying their Nexus.

Carrying is also 'guiding' your teammates to certain calls, such as Dragons and turrets.

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headphones1•

not a 5v5 game. it's a 1v1, 1v1, 1v1 and 2v2 game!

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Tysonzero•

No due it's a 1v2, 1v2, and 2v3 game because the enemy jungler always ganks and ours never does.

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PizzadudeOP•

Yeah, fuck the jungler. He was over there trying to kill dragon while I almost got a kill! He should have been helping me!

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Lmui•

You will generally get equal numbers of these people on both teams at lower ELOs (One of the reasons I hate grinding a smurf upwards).

If they refuse to leave lane because they're "dominating their lane opponent", give them a reason to. Group at their lane and shove down the tower for them. If they still persist in shoving further, see if you can pressure other lanes.

By pressure, I mean continuously shove minions at their tower and poke them but never commit to a fight. If they're as good as you're making them out to be in a 1v1, it will require two players from the other team in order to stop his push. It's obviously not optimal since the players you're with probably find the concept of "pressure" difficult but most of the time the game is not lost.

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Heisotsu•

PREACH IT. And this is a really good point, the player who is 0/4/10 is, in my opinion, helping the team more than the 5/2/2 player.

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TotolLies•

While I understand your point, it all comes down to context in my eyes. It all depends on what your stats translates to into objectives. I.E i played a Zed Jungle ranked game where I went 5/3/5 which seems a bit underwhelming as a number but I split push a lot and got 2-3 solo kills where I instagib their AD and another time their top and took turrets and buffs and a few dragons. I think the story behind the stats is more valuable than judt the numbers.

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greenops•

I ran in to a similar situation recently and said screw it gonna just split push all day. And so I did. I directed the team where to go so I can split push and surprisingly enough they listened every time. So I went on a 10 game winning streak by having pressure all around the map and most of the time having my team avoid team fights.

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PizzadudeOP•

Yeah, that would be nice. It usually ends up being the opposite. That guy is off farming alone in an empty lane, or running around in the enemy jungle, while the other four try to fight off four enemies focusing a lane... and the fifth enemy is backdooring. Or someone goes to stop the backdoor, and three people die defending 3v4.

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angelothewizard•

I don't really know if I "carry" in the usual sense, my play style tends to be a bit unorthodox (see: Combat Soraka, or even more, Solo Mid Soraka), but more often then not, I end up being commended for teamwork. I've lost count of the times where I'll run through the jungle and save a buddy that's getting pursued by three enemy champs, or I'll teleport in and provide the edge in a teamfight. Often, I do go off and do my own thing, but that usually entails, say, soloing the top lane's turrets while the enemy team scrambles to defend a different lane. Hell, I still remember a game where I teleported directly into the enemy base while they were attacking our Nexus, and I managed to take out the remaining turret and smash the Nexus before they did. Man that was fun!

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PizzadudeOP•

Oh yes, if you make it work, it's good. I have seen some mid-sorakas and heimer/cho/other unusual supports kick ass. The issue is mostly that, instead of pushing a lane while the other team defends a different one, it's more like dicking around in an empty lane while your own team scrambles to defend one or two. That's ridiculous.

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angelothewizard•

Good to know I'm doing something right. May our towers stand forever! (Maybe I should make that a League saying...)

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azaza34•

Getting kills doesn't make you good it just means your enemy isn't.

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dorpzotTK•

You probably just played a Xin. How I hate him. Rewards bad players so much, making them think they are invincible..

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PizzadudeOP•

Yep, definitely a Xin or two in there.

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IVDelta•

Had a friend who maintained almost 80% win rate through like 60 games on Xin while he was OP but before people were playing him.

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KillerNoName•

Well, if 4 players are begging you to join them even though your knowledge far exceeds theirs and you know for a fact it's more efficient for you to split push because there's no reason those 4 can't keep the enemy busy without getting initiated on, well then, they are noob, but not noob fucking garbage because they at least know that they will get initiated on and die if you aren't there to help. What the solo player should consider is the "better to be dumb with your team" "then smart alone" comparison. You know they will get aced if you aren't in the team fight so it's a no brainer. You can't ever do the "what would I do if I cloned myself into the other four positions" way of thinking. You have to at some point in the game gauge the mmr of your team mates and adjust accordingly.

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PizzadudeOP•

I promise you that this was not the situation in any of the games I've seen go this way. These guys aren't diamond level strategist smurfs, even though they really believe they are.

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GAGAgadget•

Sometimes when I split push the other team jsut dies in teh middle of nowhere away from any turret and blames me when they would have easily survived at an inner turret or base.

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McDrewbs[SillyLily] (EU-W)•

The same is true of the reverse though. There will always be those players who engage 4v5 while the 5th player is split pushing, and then blame the player for a bad fight. I've seen teams with Nid, Jayce, and Ez engage in a 4v5 instead of poking and disengaging while the lanes get pushed.

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[deleted]•

Not to be on the side that getting all the kills is carrying but.. Haven't we seen post like this multiple times this week?

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PizzadudeOP•

I don't know. I don't scour this subreddit for pages and pages to make sure that no one has said what I'm thinking before.

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Jcpdragonx•

havnt seen this thread on reddit before

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EspadaTiburon•

Every singl time this happens to me its top lane too. I feel like top lane is where most of these people tend to go since its so isolated from everyone else. Its more of a 1v1 lane and i guess they only know how to 1v1 or something. Half of them dont carry wards or anything making the lane so easy to gank. Im not trying to talk shit about top laners. Its just most of the ones i end up playing with so i guess a lot of low elo ones.

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eec003•

you're going to get downvoted to hell on here for saying something truthful =(

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Tysonzero•

JOKES ON YOU! HE WAS UPVOTED!

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eec003•

jokes on me? You're new here arn't you?

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letsjumpoffacliff•

This is a new thread.

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