/r/bitcoin is completely overridden by votebots

Here is my reasoning. I've been watching submissions that make it to the front page. I've been noticing that stuff makes it there that has like one comment in an hour, but we have dozens of threads every hour that get dozens of comments on them but never make it to the front page.

Just look at any post that even mentions mt. gox. Tons of discussion, tons of upvoting of the comments, but these threads almost never make it to the front page. But we have other articles and self shit posts that make it there with a comment or two.

This is nuts.

Who is trying to control the discussion here?

Posted Mar 1, 2014, 4:20 PM UTC

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stupidcoiner•

all of reddit is riddled with shils, evil mods and voting bots

obviously NSA/GCHQ aren't the only ones trying to form opinions.

reddit is the TV of the internet.

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Throwahoymatie•

Not for much longer. Reddit and Twitter will eventually be replaced by blockchain based systems.

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MistakeNotDotDotDot•

How do you make a blockchain-based Reddit/Twitter/whatever? You can't just wave a magic wand and say "decentralization!".

And how does that even fix the problem of votebots?

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alsomahler•

Abracadabra

poof http://twister.net.co/

The problem is (partially) fixed by proof of work. It costs calculation power which is small enough to notice for a single person, but becomes a big issue for a server which is trying to spam these platform with hundreds or thousands of bots. It can quickly become unprofitable.

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MistakeNotDotDotDot•

Interesting. I don't know if any system where it's impossible to recover a lost key is going to take off and reach the same popularity as, say, twitter; plus I really don't know if their proposed 'track every word' search solution would scale to Twitter-level volume. I also think being able to delete content is a severely underrated feature.

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rydan•

Because every vote costs a coin. By making votes have a tangible cost this means automated processes like votebots become too costly to operate for all but the richest in the world.

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MistakeNotDotDotDot•

OK, how much does it cost? Let's say it costs a penny to vote. Then if you have a thousand dollars of advertising budget you can buy a hundred thousand votes. Even if it costs a whole dollar to vote, you could easily force something onto the top of a default with only a couple thousand dollars, and that's not even taking into account the fact that people would vote way less.

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So only the 47 people whole hold the largest amount of bitcoins can afford to vote? Democracy at work!

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Throwahoymatie•

Similarly, you can't just wave a magic wand and say criticisms. There are ways to decentralize these services and create incentive structures to maintain them. Calm your horses.

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MistakeNotDotDotDot•

There are ways but I've never seen anybody show any that actually seem workable at scale and that can offer features like search.

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Lethalgeek•

Reddit and Twitter will eventually be replaced by blockchain based systems.

This is beyond a stupid way to build such sites on the server side. I can't even...and you all upvoted this haha.

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Throwahoymatie•

Bitcoin is a stupid way to build a currency. But it's still better.

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Lethalgeek•

If you hand wave any harder you're going to hurt your wrists

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wretcheddawn•

So we would mime reddit for karmacoins?

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Myth_Buster•

I can assure you that this is happening in Bitcointalk.org too! One of my threads got moved to an obscure forum which was like a junkyard of moved posts...

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partyallstar•

I didn't want to say anything because it sounded like whining and who cares, but I saw this happen to one of my threads. I photoshopped and posted the stupid picture of Karpeles meeting the giant frappuchino protestor outside Gox. By the comments, it made people chuckle, and it hit the "front page" with a ratio around 85% up 15% down. An hour later, it was 1:1 up/down, and the comments had done a 180. The top comments had been suddenly down voted so hard they were hidden. There were new top comments about anti-bullying. This was a totally unimportant post, but it was evidence in my mind of a bot passing through, or at least some kind of coordination.

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AutoGeek3000•

That does suck, but it doesn't mean they are bots. The crowd that visits new can be very different from the crowd in hot.

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partyallstar•

yeah, that's true.

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nullsetcharacterOP•

But the argument I make here is that if that was true, it isn't supported by the evidence. Why are these people that troll /new upvoting comments and participating in the discussion but then downvoting the thread to hell, and vice versa?

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AutoGeek3000•

Why are these people that troll /new upvoting comments and participating in the discussion but then downvoting the thread to hell, and vice versa?

How do you know that's true?

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nullsetcharacterOP•

I've been spending a lot of time watching it happen and participating in the discussions here. I'm just one person but I've been seeing it happen in this subreddit a lot more than any other one I've been a part of.

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HealthLoveHope•

Interesting. I saw that thread and noticed the same thing, was pretty obvious how the commenters were suddenly trying to spin a harmless photoshop into a vicious attack on Mark Karpeles. Seemed quite ridiculous to me.

I also noticed a sudden weird u-turn in the general attitude of this sub that coincided with the rise in price back towards 300 goxbux per goxcoin - first the whole sub seemed convinced that gox was certainly just about to implode, then like one day later there seemed to be dozens of highly upvoted threads and comments about how this was all fud and how gox would surely reactivate withdrawals soon. The same happened over at the bitcointalk forum.

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The same moderator(s) control both forums.

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MarshallBanana•

That's perfectly normal, and happens with lots of posts, when a larger audience decides the post is bad.

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Belfrey•

I like you, you're silly.

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[deleted]•

When other posts get downvoted, it's normal. When my posts get downvoted it's a conspiracy!

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PastaArt•

More support for your theory.

This is on the front page. (DO NOT FOLLOW to dorkte. c o m)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z9djc/where_did_butterflylabs_go/

It goes to

http://d o r k t e . c h /bq98c (DO NOT CLICK)

Instead of

http://www.butterflylabs.com

The one person in the comments saying it is a fishing scam got downvoted.

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Factitiously_Real•

This is the price you pay for going mainstream. This dilution of content has happened time and again when the sub moves from a niche to mainstream. I now rage all the time I go to the sub's front page... and am working on ignoring irrelevant content and FUD.

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-o-o-o•

"ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"

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skajake•

Are you kidding me? The front page is so littered with Gox discussion theres barely any room left for anything else. Might as well rename the subreddit to r/mtgox.

It is becoming so bad, I am losing any desire to even visit the subreddit. I assure you many other bitcoiners who had not gambled away their btc for gox-credits feel the same way. We are the ones downvoting these threads.

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skepticism_FTW•

Who is trying to control the discussion here?

Like with everything else, those with financial interests. Bitcoin insiders, evangelists, etc...

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Pcdoodle•

Upvote. I see weird activities here as well. Some in the form of comments on fresh threads with no frame of reference.

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houseofchill•

From recent Glenn Greenwald:

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

Of course social media control is part of it. Another eg, Fukushima gets pulled off the front page of r/worldnews.

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cointiki•

Not arguing with your reasoning, but, many here don't want to keep hearing endlessly about Mt Gox.

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nobodybelievesyou•

Whether a post is successful or not depends almost entirely on who is browsing /new when it first gets posted.

There was a great post a while back from someone who actually does vote rigging that explained quite a bit about how things tend to work, but in reality there aren't a lot of people who read /new, so a small group of angry people and zealots run the show. This applies to most of reddit.

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erikwithaknotac•

Well, I guess I won't be seeing this post on the front page.

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chrono000•

i agree. noticed this too. luckily a lot of the good mtgox stuff is getting through. although surprisingly not high enough.

could also be a lot of people sick of hearing the gox news and if u are one of those downvoters the gox story isnt finished and it is important for the btc community to figure what happened.

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WiWr•

I'm sick of hearing about Gox anyway. Bitcoin has so many more fascinating aspects than shoddy exchanges.

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folhowk•

Maybe its an NSA/GCHQ operation.

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dawnsedge•

Sometimes people slam on votes to titles that sound good without really engaging. Ie up votes good news down vote bad. People are in affect being a botnet. It's a shame, bad stuff need visibility and good stuff needs to be scrutinised before it gets up voted to Jupiter.

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MarshallBanana•

"People don't vote the way I think they should! This must be the work of BOTS!"

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throwaway-o•

You, MarshallBanana, are one of the invaders and propagandizers. Unsurprisingly, you're attempting to discredit OP's observations.

We are watching you.

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[deleted]•

Ooooooooh, we are watching you. I'm running back to my NSA bat cave, curl up in a fetal position, and weep quietly.

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mungojelly•

Hi, are you paid to post here?

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MarshallBanana•

What.

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Zamicol•

I'm a downvote-bot. bee-bop-beep

Unless you can prove otherwise, it's the community making the voting. bee-bop-beep

I've downvoted this post. bee-bop-beep

beep-boop-bop-beep

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nullsetcharacterOP•

Boop boop bleep blorp

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